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Author Topic: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?  (Read 1780 times)

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Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« on: June 30, 2020, 04:34:13 pm »

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2020, 04:43:32 pm »

Wow, he relegated San Jose to the FCS. I guess he didn't appreciate that SEC road win they got last year.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 05:07:53 pm »

Once again, we're in by far the hardest conference. And, that Yankee Conference is atrocious, in football at least!

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 05:22:51 pm »

Just his proposal, FWIW. Puts Hogs and Red Wolves in same conference.

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2020/06/29/ncaa-college-football-conference-realignment?__twitter_impression=true


I read that this morning and almost posted it, but man, he is absolutely crazy. The day he wrote that article was either on a day when he was drinking heavily or he just wrote something so crazy that he knew it would gain lots of views (clicks). That isn't going to work and no one in big time football is going to go with that crazy-arse notion...it destroys the value of t.v. deals with conferences, the bread and butter that keeps big time football moving forward.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2020, 05:26:08 pm »

I read that this morning and almost posted it, but man, he is absolutely crazy. The day he wrote that article was either on a day when he was drinking heavily or he just wrote something so crazy that he knew it would gain lots of views (clicks). That isn't going to work and no one in big time football is going to go with that crazy-arse notion...it destroys the value of t.v. deals with conferences, the bread and butter that keeps big time football moving forward.

I was just about to post this, because it’s just ridiculous. TV money drives realignment and this would make about 3 or 4 groups seriously rich and the rest would be left out...wither and die.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 07:12:34 pm »

This is the opposite direction of where we are headed. In the future athletes at top schools will get paid. This will cost even more and some teams won’t be able to keep up.

This model would cost all the power 5 schools dearly. So it isn’t an option.

Also that mountain conference. Arizona to Boise with no contenders. I want in that group.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2020, 07:26:15 pm »

Well, that’s .....innerstin’
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2020, 07:27:05 pm »

We’re now 4th in puhtential......yaaay!

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2020, 08:14:30 pm »

Just his proposal, FWIW. Puts Hogs and Red Wolves in same conference.

I support that.  Could get us a conference win.  Maybe.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2020, 03:35:57 am »

What a load. Complete nonsense.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2020, 06:48:06 am »

I've always enjoyed these "what if" scenarios. It's a fun conversation starter with no real reason to get too worked up about it.  Fans definitely get worked up over a hypothetical post.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2020, 06:48:07 am »

What a load. Complete nonsense.
I agree Mike.  This article is not worth the read.   No way, No how are these conferences going to realign like this.    No way is Alabama going to a conference named Sun Belt and leave the money of the SEC. 

But I do admit the fun thing about these realignments is Arkansas would immediately be in the middle of the Conference where right now we are dead last in the SECW.    But how much money would we be given up?  Probable at least half.  I know Ar St, Tulane, La Monroe  and others will love the read but this is not happening.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2020, 08:51:37 am »

Just plain dumb.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2020, 09:13:40 am »

Just his proposal, FWIW. Puts Hogs and Red Wolves in same conference.

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2020/06/29/ncaa-college-football-conference-realignment?__twitter_impression=true
You still read Pat Forde?
Dude is a deuchebag!
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2020, 09:30:05 am »

The most likely conference realignment scenario is this:
1. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State join the SEC. Missouri moves to the SEC West. Alabama and Auburn move to the SEC East.
2. West Virginia joins the ACC along with UCF.
3. Texas Tech would join the Pac-12, along with Boise State, San Diego State, and UNLV. The Pac-12 becomes the Pac-16.
4. Kansas and K-State join the Big Ten.
5. The Big XII collapses.
6. The Texas Longhorns end up being an independent like Notre Dame. They already have the Longhorn Network, and they would surely get a contract with one of the national networks, similar to what ND has with NBC.
So why is Texas an independent? Because none of the conferences will be willing to put up with their selfishness and arrogance. Texas will want a larger percentage of any conference's profit sharing than the other member schools. It was one of the reasons Arkansas left the old SWC, and one of the reasons why A&M left the Big XII. Texas and OU were sucking up all of the money that should have been split equally, and they still are! The SEC went to Austin first at the beginning of the most recent conference realignment in 2012. Once it became clear what UT wanted in order to leave the Big XII and join the SEC, the SEC executives said no thanks, and they drove over to College Station. The Pac-12 told Texas the same thing. Can you imagine the arrogance of Texas telling Alabama, and Auburn, and Georgia, and LSU that the Longhorns deserve more than they do? That is why I firmly believe that the Texas Longhorns will end up all alone as an independent. Unless, of course, the Big Ten is actually dumb enough to agree to their terms, but I don't see Ohio State or Michigan saying yes to that sort of thing.
7. So what do we end up with? Four super conferences with 16 teams each! Look for the playoffs to expand to 8 teams shortly after or shortly before.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2020, 10:12:38 am »

This is the socialist's view of a big time college athletics.  Silly

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 01:19:44 pm »

This is the socialist's view of a big time college athletics.  Silly

I think that you have the wrong ist's there bud.

No matter.  So he didn't want to actually work that day and spewed some BS off the top of his head, who hasn't?
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 03:02:52 pm »

Forde’s opinion is crazy. I agree with those who think we are headed for a 64 team major division with 4 conferences. Then those school’s non conference games would be played from the other conferences. That is the only thing that would drive TV ratings to the point where big money would still be available to those schools.

I see the reemergence of a 1-AA type league with those outside the 64. They will have their own national champion each year. Those games would be televised but wouldn’t draw the TV money the top 64 will from a national perspective. TV just isn’t going to pay big money to watch USC play Louisiana-Lafayette.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 04:47:27 pm »

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 06:07:06 pm »

Forde’s opinion is crazy. I agree with those who think we are headed for a 64 team major division with 4 conferences. Then those school’s non conference games would be played from the other conferences. That is the only thing that would drive TV ratings to the point where big money would still be available to those schools.

I see the reemergence of a 1-AA type league with those outside the 64. They will have their own national champion each year. Those games would be televised but wouldn’t draw the TV money the top 64 will from a national perspective. TV just isn’t going to pay big money to watch USC play Louisiana-Lafayette.

That always makes sense but every time I hear it, it sure seems like it violates the Sherman Antitrust Act.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2020, 06:51:50 pm »

Why is it inherent in some people to always bark “change things” just for the sake of change? Other than Mizzou and A&M needing to swap divisions, I wasn’t aware things are so crummy in the SEC.

I like the four-game OOC/eight conference game idea. I like it that we’re in the toughest division in football. I’m sick of these ‘Big12 is better for Arkansas’ whiners....yeah, let’s relive those glory SWC days when 20,000 at an away game was a big draw. Why not go back to AstroTurf while we’re at it.

Some change is good/necessary. But more often than not it’s usually mentioned just to appease someone.

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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2020, 07:06:03 pm »

Man, a lot of unfair criticism. Namely, all of you saw it and read it at some point, so, it was effective. People are talking about it and it is getting clicks.

Secondly, the idea of four, 16 team super conferences has been done to death. Props for a) giving a new-ish take, b) having realistic justification via covid, and c) not shying away from the weaknesses of the idea in the article.

If you take a bit of time to read some of what was posted, he completely addresses the idea of the TV money being a weakness in this realignment. He doesn't shy away from it at all. He does give some justification that with the expanse of streaming services, the old ways don't mean as much and 10 viable conferences gives more money than 5 watchable conferences and 5 non-watchable.

If that sounds crazy, I present to you the disney live action remakes, the fast and the furious movies, and the transformer movies. None of them have been particularly good. All of them have been very profitable.

Lastly, a major point of his is basically parity. He points out that there were 37 games decided by 30+ points in SEC conference play last year anyways so it's not likely that this realignment would particularly change it. Further, the G5 schools would now be sharing conference money and prestige with the bigger schools and a rising tide lifts all boats. There'd be growing pains at first, but you basically get double power conferences out of it and a straightforward championship. You'd get increased rivalries via the geographic proximity as well.

Is it a realistic conference realignment? No. Is it a completely bogus one? No to that either.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2020, 07:23:39 pm »

Forde’s opinion is crazy. I agree with those who think we are headed for a 64 team major division with 4 conferences. Then those school’s non conference games would be played from the other conferences. That is the only thing that would drive TV ratings to the point where big money would still be available to those schools.

I see the reemergence of a 1-AA type league with those outside the 64. They will have their own national champion each year. Those games would be televised but wouldn’t draw the TV money the top 64 will from a national perspective. TV just isn’t going to pay big money to watch USC play Louisiana-Lafayette.

IMO, more likely is college athletics separating from the colleges themselves and becoming the pro-farm leagues that they really already are. The universities would then lease their mascots and stadiums to the teams for some fee, but the teams would cease to be a part of the university.

I mean, they already are farm leagues to begin with and have long since stopped being merely hobbies for students to maintain physical activity. Most schools collect millions in fees a piece from students to help the programs, attributing to already unsustainable student debt.

If you make them farm leagues, schools can go back to being schools and sports can stop pretending to care about academics and I think that alone would solve a lot of issues. The average sports fan would never notice the difference because they'd still be called the razorbacks and would still play at the same stadium. The team could still give students discounted tickets which would help keep the stands full and if the teams made enough money, they could still offer scholarships to players.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2020, 07:28:33 pm »

The most likely conference realignment scenario is this:
1. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State join the SEC. Missouri moves to the SEC West. Alabama and Auburn move to the SEC East.
2. West Virginia joins the ACC along with UCF.
3. Texas Tech would join the Pac-12, along with Boise State, San Diego State, and UNLV. The Pac-12 becomes the Pac-16.
4. Kansas and K-State join the Big Ten.
5. The Big XII collapses.
6. The Texas Longhorns end up being an independent like Notre Dame. They already have the Longhorn Network, and they would surely get a contract with one of the national networks, similar to what ND has with NBC.
So why is Texas an independent? Because none of the conferences will be willing to put up with their selfishness and arrogance. Texas will want a larger percentage of any conference's profit sharing than the other member schools. It was one of the reasons Arkansas left the old SWC, and one of the reasons why A&M left the Big XII. Texas and OU were sucking up all of the money that should have been split equally, and they still are! The SEC went to Austin first at the beginning of the most recent conference realignment in 2012. Once it became clear what UT wanted in order to leave the Big XII and join the SEC, the SEC executives said no thanks, and they drove over to College Station. The Pac-12 told Texas the same thing. Can you imagine the arrogance of Texas telling Alabama, and Auburn, and Georgia, and LSU that the Longhorns deserve more than they do? That is why I firmly believe that the Texas Longhorns will end up all alone as an independent. Unless, of course, the Big Ten is actually dumb enough to agree to their terms, but I don't see Ohio State or Michigan saying yes to that sort of thing.
7. So what do we end up with? Four super conferences with 16 teams each! Look for the playoffs to expand to 8 teams shortly after or shortly before.

i agree with most of this  but West vri  is a bad fit for ACC  Memphis  wouild be a betther fit 
the pac 12 does not want boise   the betther fit would be byu football only  Hawaii everything else   or just hawill 
the big ten want kansas but Virginia is a much better 2nd team to pair with kansas only way they dont fit is travel   
most of the big 12 will go to the AAC or mountain West Baylor
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2020, 09:10:17 pm »

You still read Pat Forde?
Dude is a deuchebag!

Oh, I agree with that assessment. Have ever since he called Virginia basketball a "towering fraud" after the historic loss to UMBC. Love it that he had to eat his words a year later. So I don't seek him out, but I'll look at something by Forde if I happen across it.
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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2020, 09:10:59 pm »

Man, a lot of unfair criticism. Namely, all of you saw it and read it at some point, so, it was effective. People are talking about it and it is getting clicks.

Secondly, the idea of four, 16 team super conferences has been done to death. Props for a) giving a new-ish take, b) having realistic justification via covid, and c) not shying away from the weaknesses of the idea in the article.

If you take a bit of time to read some of what was posted, he completely addresses the idea of the TV money being a weakness in this realignment. He doesn't shy away from it at all. He does give some justification that with the expanse of streaming services, the old ways don't mean as much and 10 viable conferences gives more money than 5 watchable conferences and 5 non-watchable.

If that sounds crazy, I present to you the disney live action remakes, the fast and the furious movies, and the transformer movies. None of them have been particularly good. All of them have been very profitable.

Lastly, a major point of his is basically parity. He points out that there were 37 games decided by 30+ points in SEC conference play last year anyways so it's not likely that this realignment would particularly change it. Further, the G5 schools would now be sharing conference money and prestige with the bigger schools and a rising tide lifts all boats. There'd be growing pains at first, but you basically get double power conferences out of it and a straightforward championship. You'd get increased rivalries via the geographic proximity as well.

Is it a realistic conference realignment? No. Is it a completely bogus one? No to that either.

I don’t think the P5 schools feel a responsibility to fund the G5 programs that don’t have the ability to do it themselves. How that would benefit the P5 schools     
I have no idea. TV ratings will be key. And those that think that a Oregon vs LSU game wouldn’t be more attractive nationally than an Oregon vs. Georgia Southern are crazy.
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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2020, 09:21:23 pm »

I don’t think the P5 schools feel a responsibility to fund the G5 programs that don’t have the ability to do it themselves. How that would benefit the P5 schools     
I have no idea. TV ratings will be key. And those that think that a Oregon vs LSU game wouldn’t be more attractive nationally than an Oregon vs. Georgia Southern are crazy.

Ah, the P5 schools don't fund the G5 programs by playing them; it's the other way around and the G5 schools cooperate and get a check.

Let's say every stadium holds 70,000. You play a complete 12 game P5 schedule with 6 home games. You can sell 420,000 tickets.

You play 8 P5 games with 4 home games, plus 4 non-P5 teams at home. You can sell 560,000 tickets.
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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2020, 10:23:16 pm »


Ah, the P5 schools don't fund the G5 programs by playing them; it's the other way around and the G5 schools cooperate and get a check.

Let's say every stadium holds 70,000. You play a complete 12 game P5 schedule with 6 home games. You can sell 420,000 tickets.

You play 8 P5 games with 4 home games, plus 4 non-P5 teams at home. You can sell 560,000 tickets.


My point is that the money that ESPN or any network would dwarf the ticket difference you mentioned. In order for the P5 schools to continue to support their huge budgets they are going to need TV revenue more than the revenue from ticket sales which are dwindling quickly nationally in many places. One third of the season of USCs vs. Georgia Southerns or one third of USC vs teams outside their P5 league such as USC vs Clemson, USC vs Florida and so on. The TV networks are going to want quality matchups across the board.
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Re: Anyone see this Pat Forde article on realignment?
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2020, 10:47:53 pm »

This would be really fun to replicate in NCAA 13.
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2020, 11:00:07 pm »

My point is that the money that ESPN or any network would dwarf the ticket difference you mentioned. In order for the P5 schools to continue to support their huge budgets they are going to need TV revenue more than the revenue from ticket sales which are dwindling quickly nationally in many places. One third of the season of USCs vs. Georgia Southerns or one third of USC vs teams outside their P5 league such as USC vs Clemson, USC vs Florida and so on. The TV networks are going to want quality matchups across the board.

Possibly, but the ESPN money is folded into a huge contract -- the ticket money is cash -- your cash, not shared.

So the question is: does ESPN pay more for a SEC schedule that carries Arkansas vs Southern Mississippi on the same Saturday as Alabama vs. Michigan, than it does for Arkansas vs Indiana on the same day as Alabama vs Michigan. (We don't know.)
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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2020, 11:06:40 pm »

It’s not just ESPN. It’s Fox, and CBS. And assuming Notre Dame stays with NBC.

My point is that Alabama vs. Southern Miss isn’t going to carry the viewership that Bama vs. Oregon or Bama vs. Clemson would.

If the networks are going to shell out big bucks again, they want great matchups. Every week. Not Bama on the road in a 25-30,000 seat stadium of a G5 school.
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