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Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« on: June 20, 2020, 06:07:25 pm »

According to the article Iíll link below, the Mississippi schools can no longer host regional NCAA events due to their state flag. They were already excluded from hosting national events. So for instance in 2019 Ole Miss & Mississippi St hosted baseball regionals.  Under the new rule change, that would not happen.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mississippi-schools-cant-host-ncaa-championship-events-after-ncaa-broadens-confederate-flag-policy-152622647.html
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2020, 08:43:35 pm »

To me, this seems like a huge overstep by the NCAA. What gives them the right to determine what flag a state should have or not have?
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2020, 10:17:24 pm »

Mississippi hasnít been allowed to host a NC event since 2001.  This just expands the policy. I posted here due to the likelihood of it affecting baseball regionals. 
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2020, 11:30:15 pm »

I did not realize this topic was started in the SEC sports forum before I started this thread. I would rather it not become the political debate thatís occurring there.  I was just thinking about the possible ramifications for baseball. Mods, Iíd be happy if you deleted this thread to prevent another political argument starting.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2020, 09:25:47 am »

I did not realize this topic was started in the SEC sports forum before I started this thread. I would rather it not become the political debate thatís occurring there.  I was just thinking about the possible ramifications for baseball. Mods, Iíd be happy if you deleted this thread to prevent another political argument starting.

Have shortened the link in the OP to make the thread easier to read.

Am inclined to keep the thread here as long as we can focus on baseball.   
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2020, 03:44:41 pm »

Right or wrong, it definitely is a blow to Miss and Miss State baseball teams, as both schools have quality programs.

I bet their coaches are very unhappy right now.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2020, 05:19:20 pm »

This is an issue that could easily get out of control.  The flag of the State of Mississippi, or any other state, should not be a concern of the NCAA.  If this stands, will the power hungry NCAA come after Arkansas?  In 1923 the Arkansas Legislature added the fourth star to the center diamond to represent the Confederacy.  In 1924 the star representing the Confederate States of America was positioned above the Stateís name with the original three stars below.

Hey, mods, you can delete this and ban me again for a month.  Go Hogs!
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 09:16:54 pm »

Hey, mods, you can delete this and ban me again for a month.  Go Hogs!

(1) Moderators cannot ban, only admins can; and,
(2) Okay.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2020, 01:12:47 am »

Not being able to host a regional or super regional could definitely lead Ole Mis or Miss St to get knocked out of the NCAA tourney early on. Knowing you wonít ever have home field advantage has to hurt.  I canít imagine knowing we couldnít host playoff baseball if they ever decided our flag is overly confederate.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2020, 08:29:27 am »

To me, this seems like a huge overstep by the NCAA. What gives them the right to determine what flag a state should have or not have?
They don't the right to determine which flag the state flies.  They do have the right to determine where they hold they events.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2020, 10:55:11 am »

Not being able to host a regional or super regional could definitely lead Ole Mis or Miss St to get knocked out of the NCAA tourney early on. Knowing you wonít ever have home field advantage has to hurt.  I canít imagine knowing we couldnít host playoff baseball if they ever decided our flag is overly confederate.

Seems like the NCAA is intent on punishing the players over something they have no control over. Would definitely hurt the teams as well as the financial drain on the schools. Regionals and Super Regionals bring in a lot of money for the hosts.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2020, 04:06:25 pm »

Good.

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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2020, 07:07:27 pm »

This is just more pandering to the left. 
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2020, 11:21:51 pm »

This is just more pandering to the left.

Maybe.  Just like the decision to put the Confederate battle flag on the Mississippi state flag in 1894 was pandering to white supremacists.

IMO, if you've got the choice of which side to pander to, the left is the better one.  But maybe that's just me.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2020, 05:14:15 pm »

Looks like there's momentum in Miss gov't to get the flag changed, in plenty of time for next year's NCAA baseball tourney...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/mississippi-confederate-flag-vote/index.html
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2020, 10:14:40 pm »

Arkansas flag will be next.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2020, 05:39:44 am »

Arkansas flag will be next.
Yes, it will.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2020, 11:25:12 am »

Arkansas flag will be next.

Not sure why:
1. The diamond is the official state gem.
2.  The diamond contains 25 stars.  Arkansas was the 25th state to join the union.
3.  It has stars and stripes  (making the diamond) like the U.S. flag.
4.  If anything, I suppose it could be one of the four larger star that represent the four countries that Arkansas has belong to: Spain, France, the United States, and the Confederacy during the Civil War.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2020, 11:41:47 am »

Arkansas flag will be next.
Georgia. Itís has a confederate soldier on it
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2020, 01:23:07 pm »

Arkansas flag will be next.

We should go back to the original Hocker flag. If you have to put words on your flag you are flagging wrong.


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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2020, 01:45:54 pm »

Seems like the NCAA is intent on punishing the players over something they have no control over. Would definitely hurt the teams as well as the financial drain on the schools. Regionals and Super Regionals bring in a lot of money for the hosts.

It punishes Miss schools thru de facto recruiting restrictions and the state and local governments thru loss of revenue.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2020, 01:49:35 pm »

Ncaa had no business doing this.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2020, 02:26:48 pm »

Not sure why:
1. The diamond is the official state gem.
2.  The diamond contains 25 stars.  Arkansas was the 25th state to join the union.
3.  It has stars and stripes  (making the diamond) like the U.S. flag.
4.  If anything, I suppose it could be one of the four larger star that represent the four countries that Arkansas has belong to: Spain, France, the United States, and the Confederacy during the Civil War.
Yes, it would be targeting the star representing the Confederacy.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2020, 02:37:01 pm »

Yes, it would be targeting the star representing the Confederacy.

Which was designed to be prominent on the flag.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2020, 06:27:45 pm »

Ncaa had no business doing this.

Why? Cause you said so?
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2020, 06:28:58 pm »

To me, this seems like a huge overstep by the NCAA. What gives them the right to determine what flag a state should have or not have?

They aren't telling MS what flag to have.... They just can't host postseason play anymore. I don't think you get the difference. They can still keep the flag if they want.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2020, 06:32:20 pm »

They aren't telling MS what flag to have.... They just can't host postseason play anymore. I don't think you get the difference. They can still keep the flag if they want.

Heheheh...better yet...Mississippi doesnít like it then they can leave! Resign from the NCAA and forever play amongst themselves.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2020, 06:33:26 pm »

Heheheh...better yet...Mississippi doesnít like it then they can leave! Resign from the NCAA and forever play amongst themselves.

Exactly... Multiple people have stated on this thread the NCAA is making them change their flag when they are not. They can keep it if they want and play on the road in every postseason if they so choose.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2020, 06:52:05 pm »

Georgia. Itís has a confederate soldier on it

Anyone who thinks this is about a confederate symbol is just wrong and doesn't get it. I said why in the other thread. I'm not gonna bother again.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2020, 01:13:22 am »

Which was designed to be prominent on the flag.
Yes, it would be targeting the star representing the Confederacy.



Solution ... take the star above the word "ARKANSAS" representing the United States and enlarge it. Then take the inverted star, representing the Confederacy, and reduce its size.
Alternatively, go to flagandbanner.com and buy the 1913 or Hocker design and fly it proudly at your home.

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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2020, 01:24:08 am »

Georgia. Itís has a confederate soldier on it

Uhm, no, it has a Revolutionary War soldier on it.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2020, 01:28:56 am »



Solution ... take the star above the word "ARKANSAS" representing the United States and enlarge it. Then take the inverted star, representing the Confederacy, and reduce its size.

OR........take all the stars off and replace it with a Razorback.

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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2020, 01:34:37 am »

OR........take all the stars off and replace it with a Razorback.



As much as I love the Razorbacks, I think putting a Hog on everything can be overkill.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2020, 09:04:39 am »

(1) Moderators cannot ban, only admins can; and,
(2) Okay.

This made me chuckle.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2020, 12:55:25 pm »

Which was designed to be prominent on the flag.

So take that star off the flag.  Just do it and be done with it.
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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2020, 01:11:02 pm »

So take that star off the flag.  Just do it and be done with it.

Agreed.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2020, 04:39:54 pm »

Wouldn't bother me. I don't give a flip about the Confederacy.
I'm hard pressed to care about anything that happened in 1865, pro or con.

I wonder, though, if these stars are meant to 'honor' or meant to be 'historical'.

They're probably just saying as a matter of fact that Arkansas has been a part of these entities at some point in the past. Is it really honoring France to have a star notating that we were once owned by France?

So I could see an argument being made that to remove any of those stars would be akin to re-writing history. They're not meant to pay homage to France, the Confederacy, etc
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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2020, 05:24:59 pm »

Wouldn't bother me. I don't give a flip about the Confederacy.
I'm hard pressed to care about anything that happened in 1865, pro or con.

I wonder, though, if these stars are meant to 'honor' or meant to be 'historical'.

They're probably just saying as a matter of fact that Arkansas has been a part of these entities at some point in the past. Is it really honoring France to have a star notating that we were once owned by France?

So I could see an argument being made that to remove any of those stars would be akin to re-writing history. They're not meant to pay homage to France, the Confederacy, etc

The original design of the State Flag had three stars for France, Spain and the United Stares. The fourth star was added in the 1920ís (you know the same time all these Civil War statues, that are being torn down, were commissioned.) The (Confederate) Star was moved above the three original three stars to make it more prominent.
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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2020, 05:43:24 pm »

The original design of the State Flag had three stars for France, Spain and the United Stares. The fourth star was added in the 1920ís (you know the same time all these Civil War statues, that are being torn down, were commissioned.) The (Confederate) Star was moved above the three original three stars to make it more prominent.

The Confederacy was an act of rebellion that failed.  IMHO after 155 years it's time to let it go and move forward. 
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« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2020, 05:50:46 pm »

The Confederacy was an act of rebellion that failed.  IMHO after 155 years it's time to let it go and move forward.

Well, I agree with you however there are many who see that failed rebellion as a right and just act and wish to continuously celebrate it as such. In my opinion those people are celebrating slavery and dream of a return to Jim Crow.
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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2020, 07:52:39 pm »

Well, I agree with you however there are many who see that failed rebellion as a right and just act and wish to continuously celebrate it as such. In my opinion those people are celebrating slavery and dream of a return to Jim Crow.
Or it could be that many Southerners felt the need to honor the men who died trying to defend their mama's, sisters, children, land and possessions from the invading north and had nothing to do with slavery! But what do I know?
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« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2020, 08:11:26 pm »

Or it could be that many Southerners felt the need to honor the men who died trying to defend their mama's, sisters, children, land and possessions from the invading north and had nothing to do with slavery! But what do I know?

Not much. The South started the Civil War by attacking Ft Sumpter. The Confederates were the aggressors.
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« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2020, 08:56:12 pm »

Not much. The South started the Civil War by attacking Ft Sumpter. The Confederates were the aggressors.

... and that statement tells me all I need to know.
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« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2020, 08:58:13 pm »

... and that statement tells me all I need to know.

Tells you what? That I unlike many wonít allow the losers to write the narrative?
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« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2020, 09:23:03 pm »

Tells you what? That I unlike many wonít allow the losers to write the narrative?
The south seceded because of taxation that they deemed unfair by the North. President Lincoln needed a war to get the tax dollars from the south back. He lured South Carolina into firing on a fort that was within their borders. But I can tell you that the great majority of southerners did not own slaves, and joined the war to protect their families. I am not the kind to argue and will not respond to the modern lies taught as history!

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Re: Mississippi schools can not host NCAA regional events
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2020, 09:39:55 pm »

This thread is about to get William T. Sherman-ed.

We are not going to relitigate the Civil War in the damn baseball forum.   
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