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Charlaton or Nadal?
« on: May 03, 2020, 08:33:07 am »

Which would be your pick in a head to head match-up?
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Torqued pork

Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2020, 10:20:00 am »

My money would be on Nadal in a match race. Charlatan still hasn't ran against much imo.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2020, 01:28:21 pm »

Tiz The Law runs by both of them!
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2020, 06:50:40 pm »

Tiz The Law runs by both of them!

Just my opinion...but to answer the question I'd take Nadal in the KD and Belmont, and Charlatan in the Preakness. 
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2020, 07:21:01 am »

Just my opinion...but to answer the question I'd take Nadal in the KD and Belmont, and Charlatan in the Preakness.

Charlatan has that sprinter speed but can carry it.  That race was effortless.  That said it wasn't a quality field.  Will be interesting to see when the field is loaded
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2020, 08:52:25 pm »

Starting to be some chatter that Baffert horses failed two drug tests at Oaklawn. One of which was Charlatan. The word is he will be stripped of the Arkansas Derby.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 09:06:33 am »

He did run like he was "juiced".
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2020, 09:19:04 am »

Starting to be some chatter that Baffert horses failed two drug tests at Oaklawn. One of which was Charlatan. The word is he will be stripped of the Arkansas Derby.
I am shocked
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 10:04:31 am »

I am shocked

Obviously all rumors at this point. Racing goes out of its way to protect Baffert at all costs so I'll be shocked if he's actually stripped of the Derby title. However, too many people "in the know" are commenting on it so there's definitely smoke there.

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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2020, 10:11:35 am »

Obviously all rumors at this point. Racing goes out of its way to protect Baffert at all costs so I'll be shocked if he's actually stripped of the Derby title. However, too many people "in the know" are commenting on it so there's definitely smoke there.
They tabled it on Justify and kinda just forgot.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2020, 03:52:26 pm »

You beat me to it.  What percentage of split samples invalidate the initial results?  I am guessing it is small.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2020, 03:57:56 pm »

Had anyone heard the story about the previous lab used by ARC losing its accreditation?  And, while I would not say that Baffert has not been the beneficiary of some favorable actions by Cal Racing Commission with Justify, donít thonk ARC did him any favors here.


https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/racing-commission-confirms-post-race-samples-from-arkansas-derby-card-have-not-cleared/
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2020, 04:21:00 pm »

Baffert deserves anything he gets. Blaming the ARC is comical. Heís scum and has been for years.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2020, 06:24:11 pm »

Baffert deserves anything he gets. Blaming the ARC is comical. Heís scum and has been for years.

If they caught him, I hope he gets run out on a rail.  I wasnít blaming the ARC for any violation that may ultimately be proven against Baffert.  But they violated their own protocol by making comment before the split sample was tested, and that contradicts the assertion you made that the industry always accommodates Baffert. 

I donít have any inside knowledge of Baffert.  For all I know, heís an EPO expert and his horses have run the way they do because of that.  But I have studied the actual charges that were made against him and he comes out of those pretty well.  I donít know on what you base your claim that he is scum, so I canít respond to that. 
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2020, 06:28:07 pm »

And the question about the lab had nothing to do with the Baffert test because I donít think that lab was involved.  If it was, they have given Baffert an unwarranted defense.  I was asking because I heard nothing about it before the Paulick article.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2020, 06:59:23 am »

It was scrolling on Fox Sports last night about 2 of his horses failing drug test at Oaklawn.  So it is out there now.
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Re: Charlaton or Nadal?
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2020, 07:11:44 pm »

Charlatan will miss the Belmont Stakes and Ky. Derby with an ankle issue.
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