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Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« on: December 02, 2019, 05:34:41 pm »

Saturday, December 7th, at 2 pm CST. This is a game in the Big 12/ SEC Challenge. The ladies are getting a weeks rest since the last game. I assume the break is to make up for them not getting Thanksgiving. Exams don't start until the 16th.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2019, 06:16:45 pm »

Kansas State is presently 3-3 with a game to be played Tuesday night. They won their first 3 games in blowouts over Omaha, UIC and Oral Roberts. They have dropped their last 3 to UT-Arlington by 4, Memphis by 4, and Michigan State by 5. They are extremely tall. One player at 6'5", two at 6'4", 6"3", 6'2", three at 6"1", and one at an even 6'. Their leading scorers are the 6'5", one of the 6'4" and two of the 6"1". It seems they start those four tall players with a 5'6" Senior guard who is their 5th leading scorer but by far leads them in assist.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2019, 06:58:04 pm »

by far the best team they have played is michigan state (6-1) who they lost by five to (65-60).  They match up well to MSU height wise.  One assumes they probably played the same style as they did.  But against UT Arlington they didnt do as well.  UT Arlington has played a tougher schedule than MSU (two top 5 ranked teams) and  beat them about the same (four points).  Memphis doesn't appear to be nearly as formidable and yet the margin of loss to them is about the same (four points).

The only really common opponent is ORU, who they beat (109-69) by 40.  We beat ORU 96-64 but we were up on them a whole lot more than that but played the subs over a quarter and a half.  We have no way of knowing how long the shockers played there subs, but we can conclude that having the home court advantage will be a good thing in this game.  Its another game where I wish we had Ms. Williams available.  Hopefully Barnum will find her way back into the coach's good graces since it appears that her services will be even more in need than against Wisconsin.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2019, 07:23:04 pm »

The only really common opponent is ORU, who they beat (109-69) by 40.  We beat ORU 96-64 but we were up on them a whole lot more than that but played the subs over a quarter and a half.  We have no way of knowing how long the shockers played there subs...
This is their box score for ORU. Gives the minutes each of them played.
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/womens-basketball/stats/2019-20/oral-roberts/boxscore/14965
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2019, 09:06:42 pm »

This is their box score for ORU. Gives the minutes each of them played.
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/womens-basketball/stats/2019-20/oral-roberts/boxscore/14965

By comparing the previous starting lineups (theirs and ours) Taylah Thomas will have to guard this 6-5 center, Chelsea Dungee will have to guard their 6-4 forward, Amber Ramirez will have to guard a 6-1 player, and so will Alexis Tolefree.  Only Daniels will have a two inch height advantage (5-8 to 5-6).  We will be giving up 4 inches, 5 inches, 4 inches, and 5 inches in the four other positions.  We better out quick them, out shoot them and out run them.  We also better block out, and it might be nice to play some double post with Barnum if thats not too much to ask.  But is suspect that Neighbors will try to dunk on them from the three point line with our four guards.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2019, 02:09:10 pm »

Saw this pic edit of Coach Neighbors today, thought it was pretty funny and good.  Hope pic shows. Saw it on twitter feed from a RT from an account @editsintheark if it doesn't show.

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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2019, 12:54:26 pm »

Perhaps the most applicable game to consider in assessing our performance and approach to playing KSU is their recent game against MSU in the Paradise jam.  MSU is ranked 15th which is about where we are realistically.  The three leading scorers for KSU were their 6-5 center Lee, then a 6-3 forward, and then finally their 6-1 guard Carr who is probably their best player.  They have as I may have said before 5 players that are taller than our tallest available player (Thomas, I dont know what Barnum's status is).  Thomas and Dungee have to stay out of foul trouble even if they will have to bust a gut battling on the boards.

Michigan State's three leading scorers were guards.  In essence they beat them with guards.  That is what we try to do every game, negate the strength and height of the other team and outquick, out run them, negate their inside scoring by scoring from the outside, trading threes for twos. If we can offset their height enough to stay in the fight on the boards and if our shooting percentage is high enough from three, if we can make them play honest with drives and getting to the foul line to give us some room at the arc, then we should be able to do to the wildcats what the Spartans did to them.  The two players to watch are Carr and Dungee.  It is likely they will be matched up, which ever one wins their battle, their team has a lot better chance of winning too.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 11:06:40 am »

three teams ranked above us have lost this week.  The only one that might allow us to climb any is Miami who now has three losses.  If we win, we might climb past them.  One reason why we didn't bounce any higher after all the losses the past weekend was our RPI of 67.  Belmont is the only school we have played that has a decent RPI (47 I think it was).  That will all take care of itself in conference when we play so many teams ranked above us (including SC who we play twice), but until then its likely that even if we win out in non-conference we will only climb like one spot or so a week.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2019, 11:10:21 am »

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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2019, 01:37:09 pm »

For everyone who had SEC tv in some form or another, take note if you havent already that Wednesday's game with Tulsa in the Bud will be televised.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2019, 01:46:09 pm »

our lineup is as it has been since the start of the season
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2019, 01:49:28 pm »

I havent heard from Jhicks.  I dont know if he is going to be doing the pbp or not for the ones not at the game or not having the video feed.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2019, 01:55:42 pm »

the jawhawks starters are pg 5-6", g 6-1, g 6-1, f 6-4, c 6-5
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2019, 01:57:18 pm »

they are 16 inches cumulatively taller than our starters and it the same for the bench players
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2019, 01:59:26 pm »

both feeds appear to be spooling up and the game is about to begin
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2019, 02:03:59 pm »

wildcats score first and then rimirez responds with a three, 3-2 hogs
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2019, 02:05:27 pm »

daniels with a two and the lee with a bucket for the wildcats 5-4 hogs
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2019, 02:06:39 pm »

ramirez hits a second three, 8-4 hogs, amber leads with 6 pts, dungee gets in the act with a three, 11-4 hogs
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2019, 02:08:14 pm »

dungee had been 0-3 before that shot.  She had a block on one end and came down, they left her wide, wide open at the arc so she made them pay
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2019, 02:08:38 pm »

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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2019, 02:10:41 pm »

despite dungee being 1-4, the whole team is 4-7.  Hogs actually tied in rebounding 3-3
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2019, 02:11:54 pm »

wildcats hit a two, dungee hits another 3, 14-6 hogs
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2019, 02:14:22 pm »

doumbia in now, hits a layup, 16-8 hogs
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2019, 02:14:41 pm »

dungee picks up her second foul
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2019, 02:17:59 pm »

two and a half minutes to go first quarter, still 16-8 hogs, dungee 2-5 from the field, thomas 0-4, rest of the team pretty hot, hogs with twp turnovers. both by dungee
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2019, 02:21:29 pm »

Kstate just owned the last three or four mintues of the quarter and close on a 6-0 run, 16-14 hogs at the end of first quarter.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2019, 02:23:05 pm »

Lee with 6 points for the opposition, ramirez and dungee with six each, all on three pointers
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2019, 02:24:10 pm »

Thanks flippin. Iím in Bowling Green to watch the menís game tonight. Pull us through.
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2019, 02:25:17 pm »

we were keeping up with them on boards but now we are behind 13-7.  we lst them control the tempo late in the quarter
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2019, 02:26:07 pm »

a steal and a couple of layups and we are up 20-14, and then a three by dungee, and its 23-14 dungee with double digits, 11
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2019, 02:27:38 pm »

barnum is in and gets an offensive board off a ramirez miss
dungee draws a foul, hits two, 15-15, now 25-17 hogs
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2019, 02:29:57 pm »

dungee picks up her 3rd foul and she is most likely done for the next six plus minutes
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2019, 02:31:26 pm »

dungee stays in and hits a three, 28-19
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2019, 02:32:08 pm »

dungee now with 18 pts
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2019, 02:34:37 pm »

33-27 after a couple of hog turnovers at the media timeout
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2019, 02:35:32 pm »

barnum did draw a second foul on KSU's big center right before the to
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2019, 02:37:11 pm »

they must have give one of dungee's fouls to someone else, or it wasnt hers to begin with, she is now shown with only two, not three as she had before. also shows daniels with two
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2019, 02:38:35 pm »

barnum hits the first ft, and the second 35-27
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2019, 02:40:07 pm »

ramirez gets an elbow to the chin, AT checks in
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2019, 02:44:26 pm »

with under a minute to go first half KSU cuts it to 4, AT hits a bucket, 37-31 hogs
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2019, 02:45:45 pm »

KSU in the bonus, hits a couple of fts off a doumbia foul, 37-33 and that will be our halftime score
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2019, 02:50:11 pm »

dungee 6-15, 4-9 from three, 18 pts to lead the hogs
Ksu with 9 turnovers, hogs with 6
KSU with 24 boards, hogs with 16
hogs overall shooting 13-34 (38 percent), 7-17 (41 percent)
dungee, daniels, thomas with two fouls
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2019, 02:52:52 pm »

behind dungee's 18 pts, ramirez has 8, then tolefree with 3, daniels, doumbia, gaulden, and barnum with two.  Daniels especially I think has to pick it up, maybe tolefree as well,
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2019, 02:55:05 pm »

ramirez leads with assists, 4, thomas boards, 4
barnum played seven minutes and had two blocks, two boards, no fouls, no turnovers
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2019, 03:01:27 pm »

half time action in SEC, auburn getting beaten by a dozen or so by TCU, SC is only up by four over Temple
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2019, 03:03:11 pm »

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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2019, 03:04:05 pm »

lee hits a bucket, dungee responds for her 20th points
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2019, 03:05:35 pm »

KSU cuts it to 39-37, dungee is fouls and goes to the line, hits both, 41-37 22 pts for chelsea
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Re: Basketball-Game 9-Kansas State @ Arkansas
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2019, 03:07:04 pm »

hogs cant handle KSU's height inside with just thomas, lee scores again cuts it back to two 41-39 and is fouls, hit the ft, and it 41-40
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