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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2019, 11:33:57 am »

I was not one of the shills on here for CM, he wasn't in the top 5 of coaches as far as I was concerned.

Having said that, if it's true that Morris is coaching for his job, suspending one of his top players if the reasons are legit is a PLUS not a minus. 

I know the narrative on here will be he has lost control, incompetent etc but the thing a wishy washy coach would do is let the guy play even if he didn't show up all week. Morris has been wishy washy in a lot of areas, this would actually be a break from that.

If this rumor is true he needs to be commended even if we lose and O'Grady might have been the difference. If we finish 2-10 or 3-9 he still needs to go, maybe he needs to go anyway, but the level of personal vitriol on here for the man is downright irrational in some cases unless he literally whizzed in someone's post toasties..

O'Grady is a very talented player, but there are lots of those who don't get drafted by the NFL or go late rounds and wind up selling cars. Talent is not the only thing NFL teams look for. If a guy has to be baby sat or is constantly in and out of the dog houses of two different regimes, they'd better have exceptional talent and production.

I like the guy and want to see him succeed, but if this rumor is true, he will have a lot of 'splaining to do at the combine. Playing in the NFL is not a right, it is a privilege and that privilege can be revoked or not extended at a moment's notice.

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« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2019, 11:34:39 am »

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #102 on: November 02, 2019, 11:36:32 am »

I was not one of the shills on here for CM, he wasn't in the top 5 of coaches as far as I was concerned.

Having said that, if it's true that Morris is coaching for his job, suspending one of his top players if the reasons are legit is a PLUS not a minus. 

I know the narrative on here will be he has lost control, incompetent etc but the thing a wishy washy coach would do is let the guy play even if he didn't show up all week. Morris has been wishy washy in a lot of areas, this would actually be a break from that.

If this rumor is true he needs to be commended even if we lose and O'Grady might have been the difference. If we finish 2-10 or 3-9 he still needs to go, maybe he needs to go anyway, but the level of personal vitriol on here for the man is downright irrational in some cases unless he literally whizzed in someone's post toasties..

O'Grady is a very talented player, but there are lots of those who don't get drafted by the NFL or go late rounds and wind up selling cars. Talent is not the only thing NFL teams look for. If a guy has to be baby sat or is constantly in and out of the dog houses of two different regimes, they'd better have exceptional talent and production.

I like the guy and want to see him succeed, but if this rumor is true, he will have a lot of 'splaining to do at the combine. Playing in the NFL is not a right, it is a privilege and that privilege can be revoked or not extended at a moment's notice.




Wrong

The evidence points to Morris putting up with this for most of this season, and last season according to general comments from media

In fact, it looks like Bielema disciplined the kid and Chad refused to

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #103 on: November 02, 2019, 11:36:34 am »

Why are we still dealing with crap like this.

It is a circus up there. Get rid of the clown in charge.
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« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2019, 11:37:12 am »

I admire kids that can continue to show a modicum of respect for CM & BB's regimes.  It's gotta' be hard to continue to be optimistic and give 100% when the staff is so clueless.  Skipping meetings?  In the back of his mind he'd already decided to blow off this staff and take what ever he's got to the next level.  I hate to see it but can't blame him. 

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« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2019, 11:39:00 am »

I admire kids that can continue to show a modicum of respect for CM & BB's regimes.  It's gotta' be hard to continue to be optimistic and give 100% when the staff is so clueless.  Skipping meetings?  In the back of his mind he'd already decided to blow off this staff and take what ever he's got to the next level.  I hate to see it but can't blame him. 

o'Grady has had issues even before all that. I'm not sure if Saban were here the result would be different.
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2019, 11:39:07 am »

Why are we still dealing with crap like this.

It is a circus up there. Get rid of the clown in charge.


exactly

a bunch of high school coaches at top programs put up with their prima donnas and let them slide because in the end, the coach wants to look good

That's who we hired as head coach

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2019, 11:40:26 am »

wow, we've got posters saying it's cool that he missed meetings
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #108 on: November 02, 2019, 11:40:59 am »

I admire kids that can continue to show a modicum of respect for CM & BB's regimes.  It's gotta' be hard to continue to be optimistic and give 100% when the staff is so clueless.  Skipping meetings?  In the back of his mind he'd already decided to blow off this staff and take what ever he's got to the next level.  I hate to see it but can't blame him.

The NFL will on occasion put up with/overlook this type of behavior from true superstars. Don't think this guy falls in that category thus he is severely wounded relative to the "next level" and it's self inflicted.
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« Reply #109 on: November 02, 2019, 11:41:43 am »

From what I have been told, I am not surprised by this. When there is an overall lack of discipline and respect, stuff like this happens.

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #110 on: November 02, 2019, 11:41:50 am »

wow, we've got posters saying it's cool that he missed meetings

Lol, you ain’t new here!!!
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« Reply #111 on: November 02, 2019, 11:42:25 am »

Nikki said in a comment to that tweet that he didn't quit.
Interesting... our chances of winning today just went straight down hill. CJ Ogrady is like 1/2 our offensive plan.

Funny what can happen when you only have 4 games left and don’t have to worry about burning a freshman's shirt.
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« Reply #112 on: November 02, 2019, 11:43:11 am »

Funny what can happen when you only have 4 games left and don’t have to worry about burning a freshman's shirt.
I wish I felt that this staff was up to that kind of stategery.
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #113 on: November 02, 2019, 11:43:23 am »

O’grady has been a pain in the rear since he arrived on campus.

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #114 on: November 02, 2019, 11:46:00 am »

Man, errybody here loved O’Grady a few weeks ago...

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« Reply #115 on: November 02, 2019, 11:46:22 am »

Does cussing out your position coach, your coordinator, and others mandate a suspension?

It should, at any level
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #116 on: November 02, 2019, 11:46:43 am »

Man, errybody here loved O’Grady a few weeks ago...

He’s a pretty gifted TE.
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #117 on: November 02, 2019, 11:48:07 am »

Yep. Hundred dollar talent, ten cent head.
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #118 on: November 02, 2019, 11:49:10 am »

From what I have been told, I am not surprised by this. When there is an overall lack of discipline and respect, stuff like this happens.


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« Reply #119 on: November 02, 2019, 11:49:32 am »

wow, we've got posters saying it's cool that he missed meetings

Don't know if that was directed at me but I wasn't saying it was ok, just that I could see why he did it.   
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« Reply #120 on: November 02, 2019, 11:50:33 am »

Man, errybody here loved O’Grady a few weeks ago...

I wish the kid the best but it looks like he's got some growing up to do. You shouldn't let your team down like that.

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« Reply #121 on: November 02, 2019, 11:50:59 am »




Wrong

The evidence points to Morris putting up with this for most of this season, and last season according to general comments from media

In fact, it looks like Bielema disciplined the kid and Chad refused to

How is he refusing to discipline if he suspended one of his best players?

If he did suspend him, I commend him for having the balls to do it if he was missing meetings.
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« Reply #122 on: November 02, 2019, 11:51:06 am »

Have y'all read the thread by Otis at the top of the MMQB page?  Talks about how Henry will be playing alot today.  I didn't put anything together at the time, but now it makes sense.

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« Reply #123 on: November 02, 2019, 11:51:55 am »

Still too many assumptions for me to commit 100% what I think about Hogs players.

However, I am 100% convicted to my feelings on this staff.

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« Reply #124 on: November 02, 2019, 11:52:30 am »

Does cussing out your position coach, your coordinator, and others mandate a suspension?

Who did that?
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« Reply #125 on: November 02, 2019, 11:53:16 am »

Still too many assumptions for me to commit 100% what I think about Hogs players.

However, I am 100% convicted to my feelings on this staff.
They sure as hell look guilty of something!
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« Reply #126 on: November 02, 2019, 11:53:54 am »

How is he refusing to discipline if he suspended one of his best players?

If he did suspend him, I commend him for having the balls to do it if he was missing meetings.


because it's basically being reported he's done it all year, and last year
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« Reply #127 on: November 02, 2019, 11:54:48 am »

They sure as hell look guilty of something!

Yeah, I fat fingered that post...left it as is because it isn’t wrong!!
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« Reply #128 on: November 02, 2019, 11:56:31 am »


because it's basically being reported he's done it all year, and last year

He suspended him part of last year too.
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« Reply #129 on: November 02, 2019, 11:59:17 am »

He suspended him part of last year too.


part of last year is not most of this year

you and I think differently - take care
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« Reply #130 on: November 02, 2019, 12:11:46 pm »

Is there any doubt in anyone’s mind that Harrell will get more targets than Knox today? Doing it the Chad way.
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #131 on: November 02, 2019, 12:16:38 pm »

wow, we've got posters saying it's cool that he missed meetings
I don’t give 2 craps if he missed meetings, Morris is a freaking idiot for this and destroyed what little chance we had to win this game. Especially when Morris hasn’t disciplined other players for this.
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« Reply #132 on: November 02, 2019, 12:17:31 pm »

Who did that?

Well, who is this thread about?
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« Reply #133 on: November 02, 2019, 12:19:42 pm »

I don’t give 2 craps if he missed meetings, Morris is a freaking idiot for this and destroyed what little chance we had to win this game. Especially when Morris hasn’t disciplined other players for this.

If O’Grady has indeed missed meetings all year then The Chag is an idiot to act now.  Should have been done long ago so O’Grady might learn from his mistakes and grow up.

If all this is true, it’s just one more strike against this idiotic staff.

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« Reply #134 on: November 02, 2019, 12:20:15 pm »

I don’t give 2 craps if he missed meetings, Morris is a freaking idiot for this and destroyed what little chance we had to win this game. Especially when Morris hasn’t disciplined other players for this.

Morris’s tenure mirrors Pel’s so much

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« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2019, 12:20:36 pm »

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« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2019, 12:20:50 pm »

He gone!
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« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2019, 12:21:01 pm »

Morris’s tenure mirrors Pel’s so much

Pel had a winning season. But yeah, they kind of even look alike.

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #138 on: November 02, 2019, 12:23:50 pm »

If true, this dude is a huge baby. He’s done this crap before and I say bye. Sad that the talent and character don’t always go together
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« Reply #139 on: November 02, 2019, 12:24:23 pm »

From what I have been told, I am not surprised by this. When there is an overall lack of discipline and respect, stuff like this happens.

To be fair, O’Grady has always had issues. I actually thought Morris did a good job of wrangling him since he came to Arkansas. Some guys can’t get out of their own way.
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« Reply #140 on: November 02, 2019, 12:24:32 pm »

How is he refusing to discipline if he suspended one of his best players?

If he did suspend him, I commend him for having the balls to do it if he was missing meetings.

I was not one of the shills on here for CM, he wasn't in the top 5 of coaches as far as I was concerned.

Having said that, if it's true that Morris is coaching for his job, suspending one of his top players if the reasons are legit is a PLUS not a minus. 

I know the narrative on here will be he has lost control, incompetent etc but the thing a wishy washy coach would do is let the guy play even if he didn't show up all week. Morris has been wishy washy in a lot of areas, this would actually be a break from that.

If this rumor is true he needs to be commended even if we lose and O'Grady might have been the difference. If we finish 2-10 or 3-9 he still needs to go, maybe he needs to go anyway, but the level of personal vitriol on here for the man is downright irrational in some cases unless he literally whizzed in someone's post toasties..

O'Grady is a very talented player, but there are lots of those who don't get drafted by the NFL or go late rounds and wind up selling cars. Talent is not the only thing NFL teams look for. If a guy has to be baby sat or is constantly in and out of the dog houses of two different regimes, they'd better have exceptional talent and production.

I like the guy and want to see him succeed, but if this rumor is true, he will have a lot of 'splaining to do at the combine. Playing in the NFL is not a right, it is a privilege and that privilege can be revoked or not extended at a moment's notice.

Here's what it seems you all are missing. Which parent do you nominate for parent of the year? Parent A who nips bad behavior in the bud, or the parent who enables and enables before they finally have enough and snap, yelling at the kid and grounding them for a month.

Do yo applaud Parent B because hey, they grounded the kid for a month and did in fact punish the kid? No way. Yelling and snapping at the kid is only going to lead to them growing up with anger issues as adults and what they are getting grounded for a month for probably doesn't actually warrant that much punishment in the first place.

You applaud the parent that takes effective measures early on such that their child doesn't throw temper tantrums in the first place and that the parent doesn't end up snapping later on.

Now sure, maybe you have a problem with the parent/child analogy because these are all adults. Replace that with boss/employee and  literally nothing changes. A good boss is able to take care of behavioral problems early and effectively. A bad boss will at best ignore and at worst enable bad behavior until it eventually crescendos into actions that require firings.

So, how does any of that apply to this scenario? At this point, everything is conjecture. Technically, for all we know, O'Grady went to every meeting and is still our starting TE and will put up 200-300 yards and a few td's before the season is out. However, if we assume that the basis of this thread is true, then it also becomes inevitable that whatever actions, if any, Chad was taking, clearly weren't effective.

So yeah, at the end of the day, O'Grady is ultimately responsible for his own actions and yes, it is commendable that Morris eventually did punish him, assuming all of this is true. However, this is also clearly an example of Morris failing to be the leader of this team and take effective action resulting in the loss of O'Grady from this team. An employee consistently being late to work is action that ultimately is the employee's fault, but a good manager will notice this and take steps early on to fix it rather than letting it fester to a breaking point.

To some degree, you can't control everybody. You go to the best coaches in the game, best bosses in the business, and there will inevitably be some players, some employees, etc... that will continue to screw up. If O'Grady was some sort of isolated incident, then it would be unfortunate, but not necessarily a black eye on Morris. However, we've had what, 50+ players leave this program in less than two years since Morris took over? You get enough data points and it stops being an anomaly and starts becoming a trend. If you date 50 women and they all break up with you because you are a slob, it's not that you've gotten unlucky and had women who are too high maintenance and unrealistic expectations of hygiene and cleanliness. You are in fact a slob. Year one under Morris, I posted that while some departures under a new coach is normal and often times healthy for a team, we were experiencing much more than normal and that it was at best a red flag. Today, seems like red flag was quite the understatement.

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« Reply #141 on: November 02, 2019, 12:25:01 pm »

Pel had a winning season. But yeah, they kind of even look alike.
The first half of the 2008-2009 season looked like they had figured it out and then the wheels came off.  Morris has never had even a glimmer.

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« Reply #142 on: November 02, 2019, 12:26:42 pm »

The first half of the 2008-2009 season looked like they had figured it out and then the wheels came off.  Morris has never had even a glimmer.

Texas and Oklahoma back to back right? Fortson looked like the real deal. Was, but a head case.

We were wanting to lock him down before Kentucky came calling haha
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« Reply #143 on: November 02, 2019, 12:26:48 pm »

If O’Grady has indeed missed meetings all year then The Chag is an idiot to act now.  Should have been done long ago so O’Grady might learn from his mistakes and grow up.

If all this is true, it’s just one more strike against this idiotic staff.

I wouldn’t put it past him though.

He’s desperate for a win right now because if he closes out this season 2-10 heMs gonna have a hard time explaining how they’re making progress after bringing in a 5th year senior that spent 4 years in his system.
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« Reply #144 on: November 02, 2019, 12:28:20 pm »

At this rate, I’d rather see HH play than Cheyenne Ofrady and I mean that.  Plan for the future studs and get the babies out of here
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« Reply #145 on: November 02, 2019, 12:29:51 pm »

Here's what it seems you all are missing. Which parent do you nominate for parent of the year? Parent A who nips bad behavior in the bud, or the parent who enables and enables before they finally have enough and snap, yelling at the kid and grounding them for a month.

Do yo applaud Parent B because hey, they grounded the kid for a month and did in fact punish the kid? No way. Yelling and snapping at the kid is only going to lead to them growing up with anger issues as adults and what they are getting grounded for a month for probably doesn't actually warrant that much punishment in the first place.

You applaud the parent that takes effective measures early on such that their child doesn't throw temper tantrums in the first place and that the parent doesn't end up snapping later on.

Now sure, maybe you have a problem with the parent/child analogy because these are all adults. Replace that with boss/employee and  literally nothing changes. A good boss is able to take care of behavioral problems early and effectively. A bad boss will at best ignore and at worst enable bad behavior until it eventually crescendos into actions that require firings.

So, how does any of that apply to this scenario? At this point, everything is conjecture. Technically, for all we know, O'Grady went to every meeting and is still our starting TE and will put up 200-300 yards and a few td's before the season is out. However, if we assume that the basis of this thread is true, then it also becomes inevitable that whatever actions, if any, Chad was taking, clearly weren't effective.

So yeah, at the end of the day, O'Grady is ultimately responsible for his own actions and yes, it is commendable that Morris eventually did punish him, assuming all of this is true. However, this is also clearly an example of Morris failing to be the leader of this team and take effective action resulting in the loss of O'Grady from this team. An employee consistently being late to work is action that ultimately is the employee's fault, but a good manager will notice this and take steps early on to fix it rather than letting it fester to a breaking point.

To some degree, you can't control everybody. You go to the best coaches in the game, best bosses in the business, and there will inevitably be some players, some employees, etc... that will continue to screw up. If O'Grady was some sort of isolated incident, then it would be unfortunate, but not necessarily a black eye on Morris. However, we've had what, 50+ players leave this program in less than two years since Morris took over? You get enough data points and it stops being an anomaly and starts becoming a trend. If you date 50 women and they all break up with you because you are a slob, it's not that you've gotten unlucky and had women who are too high maintenance and unrealistic expectations of hygiene and cleanliness. You are in fact a slob. Year one under Morris, I posted that while some departures under a new coach is normal and often times healthy for a team, we were experiencing much more than normal and that it was at best a red flag. Today, seems like red flag was quite the understatement.

A lot of words, a lot of truth.

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #146 on: November 02, 2019, 12:31:20 pm »

wow, we've got posters saying it's cool that he missed meetings
The real question should be WHY HAS HE MISSED MEETINGS?
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #147 on: November 02, 2019, 12:32:30 pm »

From what I have been told, I am not surprised by this. When there is an overall lack of discipline and respect, stuff like this happens.
Truth.
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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #148 on: November 02, 2019, 12:33:33 pm »

Texas and Oklahoma back to back right? Fortson looked like the real deal. Was, but a head case.

We were wanting to lock him down before Kentucky came calling haha
Yep, 12-1 start, big wins over two top 10 teams in the non-conference, then won only 2 more the rest of the way through the conference slate.

That season was also notable for Monk coming back for a final season of eligibility after being out of school for a few years and then getting ruled ineligible right before the conference slate under somewhat bizarre circumstances.

Also had Jason Henry, Stef Welsh and Rotnei Clarke to add to the Fortson locker room cocktail.

I bet that was a fun place during the 2-15 skid.

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Re: Ogrady tweet
« Reply #149 on: November 02, 2019, 12:35:49 pm »

To be fair, O’Grady has always had issues. I actually thought Morris did a good job of wrangling him since he came to Arkansas. Some guys can’t get out of their own way.

I'll be completely honest and until today, had absolutely zero recollection of any previous behavioral problems by O'Grady. In my memory, the games he missed were due to injury not suspension. Quick google showed something like two games last year and one game already this year under Morris that he's been suspended (may have it backwards but you get the gist).

While I didn't see any results from under Bielema, given the general consensus here and the seemingly truthful rumors of this thread, it's certainly plausible and probable that this has been a recurring problem.

O'Grady is the only player on offense that I can really say has shown improvement under Morris and company. Him and maybe Clary. To his and Morris's credit, he went from being a glorified WR to a full fledged TE and went from a crowded TE room where nobody quite stepped up to a suddenly much thinned out group where O'Grady was THE Man.

And again, if this situation happened in a vacuum, O'Grady would be the villain and Morris would have done everything he could but some people you just can't change. However, problem is, O'Grady is just another in a long, long line of everybody else driving the wrong way on a wrong way street.  Eventually, you have to realize that it's probably you who turned the wrong direction on a one way street and not everybody else.

O'Grady definitely could have done better and made himself the better man b/w him and Morris. With that, he owns the lion's share of the blame for his own actions. However, given the history of Morris here, it's hard not to put a significant portion of the blame on Morris as well. The parent/boss who isn't capable of managing their kids/employees such that eventually you end up with explosion such as this.
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