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"When"; - - - Not "What"
« on: October 16, 2019, 12:01:08 pm »

There Is no longer any question in my mind as to "what" is inevitably going to happen in regard to the Razorbacks football program coaching cadre; - - - the only remaining unknown factor is "when".  All of us are merely spectators awaiting the unfolding of that momentous event, - - - and marking time.

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2019, 12:15:06 pm »

I'm saving a lot of money by not going to bowl games. 

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2019, 01:01:36 pm »

I'm saving a lot of money by not going to bowl games.

I LOL'd even tho I haz a sad.
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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 03:22:00 pm »

There Is no longer any question in my mind as to "what" is inevitably going to happen in regard to the Razorbacks football program coaching cadre; - - - the only remaining unknown factor is "when".  All of us are merely spectators awaiting the unfolding of that momentous event, - - - and marking time.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2019, 03:24:07 pm »

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Its like playing the lottery, eventually you are going to win...maybe next year...
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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 03:35:27 pm »

I think your chances are better with the lottery than with the football team!

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2019, 03:41:53 pm »

If we fire him after 2 yrs will anybody want to come here?
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2019, 04:07:31 pm »

If we fire him after 2 yrs will anybody want to come here?

I believe the coaching world would understand HY didn't hire him.

PorkSoda

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2019, 04:09:59 pm »

I believe the coaching world would understand HY didn't hire him.


They also understand that going 0-16 in conference would get you fired anywhere, except apparently arkansas.

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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2019, 04:17:44 pm »

I believe the coaching world would understand HY didn't hire him.
Good point.
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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2019, 04:24:10 pm »

They also understand that going 0-16 in conference would get you fired anywhere, except apparently arkansas.
Yeah any incoming coach needs to know that if they go 0-16 in conference play they too will get shown the door. 

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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2019, 04:27:49 pm »

If it happens.  It’ll be late November 2020 at the earliest.
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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 04:32:07 pm »

They also understand that going 0-16 in conference would get you fired anywhere, except apparently arkansas.
Also a good point.

Man, I'm just so disappointed I can't even think straight about it. It's not that I "bought the Morris kool aide" as much as it's 'Morris was hired. Now BACK HIM.'

At this point, I see zero chance of him turning this thing around. Too many have turned against him. He'd likely never win this fanbase back short of what we all know is impossible (beat Auburn and Alabama back to back, and they'd still be ready to run him off over SJS).
I'm just disappointed because I know he was The Last Chance for me, personally, to ever see a great Razorback team again. There just isn't enough time now for that to happen.
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PorkSoda

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 04:34:16 pm »

If it happens.  It’ll be late November 2019 at the earliest.
FIFY.  HY aint wait'n around for 0-24

It might even be sooner if we lose the WKY game. 



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PorkSoda

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2019, 04:39:13 pm »

Also a good point.

Man, I'm just so disappointed I can't even think straight about it. It's not that I "bought the Morris kool aide" as much as it's 'Morris was hired. Now BACK HIM.'

At this point, I see zero chance of him turning this thing around. Too many have turned against him. He'd likely never win this fanbase back short of what we all know is impossible (beat Auburn and Alabama back to back, and they'd still be ready to run him off over SJS).
I'm just disappointed because I know he was The Last Chance for me, personally, to ever see a great Razorback team again. There just isn't enough time now for that to happen.
Honestly, even though I don't believe he can do it.  I also didn't believe CBB would beat OM and LSU at the end of his second season. 

I think morris deserves the final 6 games to prove he is not the abject loser we all think he is.  That said, if he doesn't win a conf game this year, including a convincing win at WKU, then there is no point wasting any more time on him.  It sucks to start over, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions.  Recruiting was the only thing Morris had going for him, and its headed for the toilet.  if we are gonna end up with a chitty recruiting year, might as well make it because we had a new coach with only a month to recruit.

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2019, 04:53:55 pm »

If we fire him after 2 yrs will anybody want to come here?

Yes, to a good number of coaches it will send a message that losing will no longer be tolerated. It should never have been to begin with, but here we are.
A lot of highly motivated and competitive coaching personalities will actually respect that policy.
I know this, if I were a superior coach that places a premium on winning, I would be attracted to those programs that also place a premium on winning and don’t tolerate or reward failure. We rewarded bad behavior ( losing/failure)recently, and look at the track record over the last eight seasons. We’ve made history with the program; the damaging kind.

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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2019, 06:00:41 pm »

If we fire him after 2 yrs will anybody want to come here?
Houston fired a coach that had the following records
5-7
8-5
7-5

They then hired Tom Herman as his replacement. We’ll be fine relieving Chaz after 0-16 in SEC.
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2019, 06:40:14 pm »

If it happens.  It’ll be late November 2020 at the earliest.

October 18th, 2020
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2019, 06:47:46 pm »

Houston fired a coach that had the following records
5-7
8-5
7-5

They then hired Tom Herman as his replacement. We’ll be fine relieving Chaz after 0-16 in SEC.

Then when Texas hired Herman , Houston hired a coach that went 7-5 & 8-5, so they fired him after 2 years.
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GoldCoastHog

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2019, 08:28:56 pm »

Good point, they fire winning coaches, and we invent ways to justify keeping around losers;makes perfect sense.

I remember when Holtz was run off in ‘83 for a 6-5 record. That was back when we had an actual standard we wanted to maintain. Somehow we just quit being vigilant and grossly compromised the commitment.

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Re: "When"; - - - Not "What"
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2019, 06:53:07 am »

I believe the coaching world would understand HY didn't hire him.
After discussions with a few old Texas college coaches, they wondered why in the world we ever hired CM.
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2019, 06:57:21 am »

Good point, they fire winning coaches, and we invent ways to justify keeping around losers;makes perfect sense.

I remember when Holtz was run off in ‘83 for a 6-5 record. That was back when we had an actual standard we wanted to maintain. Somehow we just quit being vigilant and grossly compromised the commitment.



Going 6-5 wasn’t the only reason Lou got run off. It just made it easier to do,
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2019, 07:00:02 am »

I do not think anyone on Hogville "knows" what is going to happen with this staff.  A new OC and DC and he might get another year, but in my mind, it will take both of those moves to justify keeping him
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2019, 07:36:49 am »

If we fire him after 2 yrs will anybody want to come here?
yes Arkansas is down but several coaches would jump at this job. It’s Sec football and can be a top twenty program with the right coach. We have an outstanding stadium and the only major FB team without any pro teams here. Attractive fan base and pay would be good also.
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al_pigcino

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2019, 07:42:36 am »

If we fire him after 2 yrs will anybody want to come here?
https://forums.hogville.net/index.php?topic=693600.0
Apparently  ???
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GoldCoastHog

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2019, 07:47:33 am »

Going 6-5 wasn’t the only reason Lou got run off. It just made it easier to do,
That’s true; I remember his off the field affiliations that weren’t the most appealing at the time.

al_pigcino

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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2019, 07:48:08 am »

Going 6-5 wasn’t the only reason Lou got run off. It just made it easier to do,
I'd stab 11 mall Santa's to get to 6-5 again.
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(notOM)Rebel123

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2019, 09:21:06 am »

I'd stab 11 mall Santa's to get to 6-5 again.

Why the hate for Jolly Ol’ St. Nick?  ;)
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al_pigcino

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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2019, 09:44:57 am »

Why the hate for Jolly Ol’ St. Nick?  ;)
I love Santa Claus.  That is what pains me the most.  :( 

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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2019, 10:00:45 am »

yes Arkansas is down but several coaches would jump at this job. It’s Sec football and can be a top twenty program with the right coach. We have an outstanding stadium and the only major FB team without any pro teams here. Attractive fan base and pay would be good also.
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