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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #100 on: October 15, 2019, 02:41:32 pm »

He looks like a complete moron if he doesn't send Morris packing.  If Morris gets year three, its putting off the inevitable and it will be on HY's head even if he didn't hire him. 

I seriously doubt that. It's well known that Chad Morris isn't HY's man. He's the BOT's man and they are the ones looking like fools. Since they hired Morris, HY will have to get their okay before he can fire Morris.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #101 on: October 15, 2019, 02:45:06 pm »

I seriously doubt that. It's well known that Chad Morris isn't HY's man. He is Jerry Jones's the BOT's man and they are he is the one looking like a fool. Since he they hired Morris, HY will have to get his their okay before he can fire Morris.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2019, 02:47:07 pm »

How is the Morris clown show making a fool out of Hunter Yurachek when he had absolutely nothing to do with Chad's hiring??

Guilt by proximity, I would suppose. Morris' woeful job performance is being reflected onto HY, fairly or not.
HY's support of Morris recently, combined with certain statements made, inadvertantly placed himself squarely in the crosshairs of scrutiny.
Colloquially put, s**t usually rolls downhill. With regard to Razorback Football, it rolls uphill.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2019, 02:49:47 pm »

Yeah.....and give him a $50 million buy out!  Lets not be cheap.
I'm thinking no buy out. Just give him 10 years. I think recruits would like that too.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2019, 02:49:50 pm »

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Mike Irwin refuted that Jerry Jones claim last night on his "Ask Mike" segment. He stated the Jerry Jones recommended Chad but applied no pressure whatsoever to get him hired. That hiring was all on the BOT and no one else.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2019, 02:55:05 pm »

How is the Morris clown show making a fool out of Hunter Yurachek when he had absolutely nothing to do with Chad's hiring??
When Hunter Yurachek told everyone at the LRTC that Chad Morris had things headed in the right direction.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2019, 02:59:41 pm »

When Hunter Yurachek told everyone at the LRTC that Chad Morris had things headed in the right direction.

His hiring of Muss as men's head basketball coach well counteracted that.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2019, 03:05:14 pm »

His hiring of Muss as men's head basketball coach well counteracted that.
His hiring of Coach Muss was a fine move, perhaps even genius.
But the point was telling everyone Morris has things headed in the right direction is embarrassing for him.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2019, 03:10:15 pm »

Mike Irwin refuted that Jerry Jones claim last night on his "Ask Mike" segment. He stated the Jerry Jones recommended Chad but applied no pressure whatsoever to get him hired. That hiring was all on the BOT and no one else.
Yeah that is the company line that Mike is referencing. There are probably 4-5 people who know that answer, and all due respect to Mike he's not one of them.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2019, 03:12:24 pm »

When Hunter Yurachek told everyone at the LRTC that Chad Morris had things headed in the right direction.
That's his job.  I'm not sure why you are surprised.

HY will say everything is hunky-dory up until the moment Morris is fired.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2019, 03:16:24 pm »

Mike Irwin refuted that Jerry Jones claim last night on his "Ask Mike" segment. He stated the Jerry Jones recommended Chad but applied no pressure whatsoever to get him hired. That hiring was all on the BOT and no one else.
Irwin is wrong. Jerry Jones is the sole reason Morris is here.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2019, 03:18:03 pm »

Yeah that is the company line that Mike is referencing. There are probably 4-5 people who know that answer, and all due respect to Mike he's not one of them.

I disagree. Mike is more knowledgeable about the Arkansas football program than you think.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2019, 03:18:49 pm »

Irwin is wrong. Jerry Jones is the sole reason Morris is here.

False. Irwin is right. The Morris hire is all on the BOT.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2019, 03:25:14 pm »

I hope if this decision is made , they decide to play SEC style coach , going to take money 7-10 million , play big or go home
No big name will ever come here, unless he is over the hill.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2019, 03:26:48 pm »

False. Irwin is right. The Morris hire is all on the BOT.
You can believe whatever you want but the Morris hire was all Jerry Jones. Mike Irwin is wrong about this, it is common knowledge it was all Jerry. You and mike are the only guys saying it wasn’t. You can believe what you want but you and mike are 100% wrong about this.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2019, 03:27:38 pm »

Mike Irwin refuted that Jerry Jones claim last night on his "Ask Mike" segment. He stated the Jerry Jones recommended Chad but applied no pressure whatsoever to get him hired. That hiring was all on the BOT and no one else.



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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2019, 03:27:56 pm »

No big name will ever come here, unless he is over the hill.
we may need an over the hill coach.  Someone who has been coaching long enough that he actually knows how to build a solid program.  Once we are back to some level of respectability, we can look at what hot name can take us to the next level.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2019, 03:30:32 pm »

You can believe whatever you want but the Morris hire was all Jerry Jones. Mike Irwin is wrong about this, it is common knowledge it was all Jerry. You and mike are the only guys saying it wasn’t. You can believe what you want but you and mike are 100% wrong about this.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.

The reality is likely much simpler.  when the gus moon shot fell through, the BOT was scrambling for a back up plan.  Norvell and Leach both were shot down by competing factions leaving Morris who had the Jerry Jones seal of approval.  since nobody had any dirt on Morris, all sides settled for him.

The Idea the JJ ordered the BOT to hire morris is silly.  if he had that power, we would have never offered gus, and Morris wouldn't have been 4th on the list at best.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2019, 03:31:56 pm »

You can believe whatever you want but the Morris hire was all Jerry Jones. Mike Irwin is wrong about this, it is common knowledge it was all Jerry. You and mike are the only guys saying it wasn’t. You can believe what you want but you and mike are 100% wrong about this.

There are more than just us saying that. You just haven't paid attention. Mike isn't the only one in his profession that has made that statement.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2019, 03:34:26 pm »

Mike Irwin refuted that Jerry Jones claim last night on his "Ask Mike" segment. He stated the Jerry Jones recommended Chad but applied no pressure whatsoever to get him hired. That hiring was all on the BOT and no one else.

That's kind of like when you're a kid and your dad "recommends" that you do something.  Sure you could say no, but you'd be a fool to do so.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2019, 03:34:31 pm »

Are in the air.  Heard from a person that knows more than most of us that this thing may change sooner rather than later. 

Hate to go around shooting off my mouth about rumors but this one fellow says Morris is on thinner ice than those three years for sure people think. 

Gonna get ugly the next few weeks.  I followed up and this person has not heard Freeze’s name so that may be a classic Arkansas smokescreen.

You're just trying to gin up a 6 page thread to compete with mine about your buddy Houston being inducted into the Hall of Fame last year  - this jealousy of yours sometimes leads you in directions you shouldn't go
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2019, 03:35:29 pm »

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

The reality is likely much simpler.  when the gus moon shot fell through, the BOT was scrambling for a back up plan.  Norvell and Leach both were shot down by competing factions leaving Morris who had the Jerry Jones seal of approval.  since nobody had any dirt on Morris, all sides settled for him.

The Idea the JJ ordered the BOT to hire morris is silly.  if he had that power, we would have never offered gus, and Morris wouldn't have been 4th on the list at best.

Plus tons of other schools were also looking for coaches.  Chad Morris doesn't end up on the call sheet at either Arkansas or Ole Miss if there weren't so many other schools ahead of them in line. 
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #122 on: October 15, 2019, 03:57:01 pm »

The fact is that other than a few years with the motorcycle king, this program has stunk since flying the airplane banners and running of Houston Nutt - no good and proven coach wanted to come here when we fired BB so we ended up with CM - so, when we fire him after two years, what coaches who have a proven record are going to want to come here?  You think the same ones who didn't want to come here when we hired CM as a default?  Or any others when they know what a dumpster fire this is?  It's delusional to think we're going to go out and get a big name (or for that matter any name that anyone has heard of) which means we'll be in the same position we are now - and when that coach doesn't win a SEC game for 2 years, then what?

What makes anyone think that we are anymore of an attractive choice for a good coach than we were (weren't) after firing BB and not being able to find anyone to take the job?

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2019, 04:07:44 pm »

Maybe the BOT and Boosters are going to take a hard look in the mirror, go back to work to better everyday.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #124 on: October 15, 2019, 04:08:57 pm »

That's his job.  I'm not sure why you are surprised.

HY will say everything is hunky-dory up until the moment Morris is fired.
  Exactly, he basically said the same thing about MA.... said he is the guy and has his support 100%.. then fired him a month later

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #125 on: October 15, 2019, 04:10:06 pm »

The fact is that other than a few years with the motorcycle king, this program has stunk since flying the airplane banners and running of Houston Nutt - no good and proven coach wanted to come here when we fired BB so we ended up with CM - so, when we fire him after two years, what coaches who have a proven record are going to want to come here?  You think the same ones who didn't want to come here when we hired CM as a default?  Or any others when they know what a dumpster fire this is?  It's delusional to think we're going to go out and get a big name (or for that matter any name that anyone has heard of) which means we'll be in the same position we are now - and when that coach doesn't win a SEC game for 2 years, then what?   
What makes anyone think that we are anymore of an attractive choice for a good coach than we were (weren't) after firing BB and not being able to find anyone to take the job?

Wrong... they will go back and watch the games that CM coached and realize the problem is with Morris, not the players, not the fans.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #126 on: October 15, 2019, 04:12:01 pm »

Wrong... they will go back and watch the games that CM coached and realize the problem is with Morris, not the players, not the fans.

Delusional, just like most on here

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #127 on: October 15, 2019, 04:18:09 pm »


What makes anyone think that we are anymore of an attractive choice for a good coach than we were (weren't) after firing BB and not being able to find anyone to take the job?

Leach wanted the job.......I bet he would be better than 4-14 right now.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #128 on: October 15, 2019, 04:27:23 pm »

Make that 12m$. Get somebody like Campbell and guarantee him 10 years and stick with him. That's more than three times what Campbell makes now. And hire his wife for the video library or something.
Saban is making 12 million , I think 12 might be a stretch ...
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #129 on: October 15, 2019, 04:29:14 pm »

we may need an over the hill coach.  Someone who has been coaching long enough that he actually knows how to build a solid program.  Once we are back to some level of respectability, we can look at what hot name can take us to the next level.

Bill Snyder might have a couple of years left in the tank.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #130 on: October 15, 2019, 04:29:30 pm »

Make that 12m$. Get somebody like Campbell and guarantee him 10 years and stick with him. That's more than three times what Campbell makes now. And hire his wife for the video library or something.
can we please stop guaranteeing coaches XX years?

that is what got us in this mess.  how about a coach earns the benefit of the doubt first.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #131 on: October 15, 2019, 04:30:23 pm »

Oh boy.....
Here we go with the "play big or go home". "7-10 million".
So what do you recommend ,another up and comer ..
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #132 on: October 15, 2019, 04:32:10 pm »

Gene Chizik is available.  He won a a National Championship at Auburn.
Broyles Award (2004)
SEC Coach of the Year (AP) (2010)
Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (2010)
Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award (2010)
Paul "Bear" Bryant Award (2010)
Bobby Bowden National Collegiate Coach of the Year Award (2010)
Amos Alonzo Stagg Coaching Award (2011)  ;D
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #133 on: October 15, 2019, 04:32:57 pm »

No big name will ever come here, unless he is over the hill.
You are probably correct , doesn’t hurt to try and get a big name , just keep going down the list
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #134 on: October 15, 2019, 04:34:22 pm »

How about we guarantee that if you get 0 wins in conference you are fired for cause with no golden parachute...
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #135 on: October 15, 2019, 04:35:32 pm »

Winter is coming.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #136 on: October 15, 2019, 04:41:36 pm »

How about we guarantee that if you get 0 wins in conference you are fired for cause with no golden parachute...
The only coach that would agree to that is someone who is desperate and otherwise unemployable.  The market dictates contracts.  It sucks, but its the cost of doing business.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #137 on: October 15, 2019, 04:45:10 pm »

LOL!

Yeah, I agree Coach Morris has to go at this point. I don't see any way in hell he can ever win back this fanbase. If by some mystical magical thing the team started winning tomorrow, in two years people would still be cussin' 'bout the SJS game.

I may be the only one here of the camp that says, "We are NEVER going to win big again, EVER, not next year, 5 years from now, not ever, as long as we are in the SECw--on any consistent basis." No matter who we throw millions at. Bring anybody in here. ANYBODY! 7-8 wins a year over a 6 year average would be incredible, with a 10-3, 11-2 season being an absolute twice in 15 years type thing.

Don't matter to me any more. I won't live to see it.

You younger folks around here, enjoy a long life of disgruntled fandom, and watching coach after coach and "rebuild" attempt (indicating it was actually at one time built) after another.

Adios.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #138 on: October 15, 2019, 04:56:36 pm »

Leach wanted the job.......I bet he would be better than 4-14 right now.
You're right about one thing. I don't know how much he really wanted the job--maybe so, but I'd agree with the record.

Leach would be, right now, probably sitting right at 6-12. And, by now, there would be fans spewin' on HV and radio, and anywhere else fans have a voice that it was stupid to have hired him, and that would intensify over the next two games as Leach led the Hogs to a couple of absolute embarrassing blowout losses to Auburn and Alabama.

But I have no doubt he'd have figured out a way to beat Colorado State last year, and SJS this year. Other than that...nah, losses by different scores is all.

To you naysayers I say, You Got No Proof. NONE. ZERO whatsoever. Zilch. I'm just as "right" as you are.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #139 on: October 15, 2019, 05:00:59 pm »

You're right about one thing. I don't know how much he really wanted the job--maybe so, but I'd agree with the record.

Leach would be, right now, probably sitting right at 6-12. And, by now, there would be fans spewin' on HV and radio, and anywhere else fans have a voice that it was stupid to have hired him, and that would intensify over the next two games as Leach led the Hogs to a couple of absolute embarrassing blowout losses to Auburn and Alabama.

But I have no doubt he'd have figured out a way to beat Colorado State last year, and SJS this year. Other than that...nah, losses by different scores is all.

To you naysayers I say, You Got No Proof. NONE. ZERO whatsoever. Zilch. I'm just as "right" as you are.

Okay?
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #140 on: October 15, 2019, 05:01:21 pm »

The fact is that other than a few years with the motorcycle king, this program has stunk since flying the airplane banners and running of Houston Nutt - no good and proven coach wanted to come here when we fired BB so we ended up with CM - so, when we fire him after two years, what coaches who have a proven record are going to want to come here?  You think the same ones who didn't want to come here when we hired CM as a default?  Or any others when they know what a dumpster fire this is?  It's delusional to think we're going to go out and get a big name (or for that matter any name that anyone has heard of) which means we'll be in the same position we are now - and when that coach doesn't win a SEC game for 2 years, then what?

What makes anyone think that we are anymore of an attractive choice for a good coach than we were (weren't) after firing BB and not being able to find anyone to take the job?
Even if this is true(it’s not) that is still no excuse to keep this clown show going.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #141 on: October 15, 2019, 05:12:45 pm »

The fact is that other than a few years with the motorcycle king, this program has stunk since flying the airplane banners and running of Houston Nutt - no good and proven coach wanted to come here when we fired BB so we ended up with CM - so, when we fire him after two years, what coaches who have a proven record are going to want to come here?  You think the same ones who didn't want to come here when we hired CM as a default?  Or any others when they know what a dumpster fire this is?  It's delusional to think we're going to go out and get a big name (or for that matter any name that anyone has heard of) which means we'll be in the same position we are now - and when that coach doesn't win a SEC game for 2 years, then what?

What makes anyone think that we are anymore of an attractive choice for a good coach than we were (weren't) after firing BB and not being able to find anyone to take the job?

So what do you suggest be done?
I have no idea what will turn this program. To even marginal performance. If you have ideas please share them.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #142 on: October 15, 2019, 05:29:12 pm »

So what do you suggest be done?
I have no idea what will turn this program. To even marginal performance. If you have ideas please share them.

The fact is that any coach who comes here, including CM, is going to have to be given at least 5 years before deciding to get rid of him - you simply can't expect a coach to turn this mess around in 2 years and you really don't know what that coach is capable of for another 3 years after that - No one wants to hear that but if you continue to fire coaches before their contract ends because of their record you're only going to have a bunch of multi-million buy-outs and another coach who can't things done - I'm not saying CM is the answer - he may not be and I have no reason to think that he is - but you've got to stay with someone long enough to intelligently evaluate his performance - 2 years is not long enough - I'm not a CM lover and I sure wish that we had been able to get a big hire when we fired BB - but there's conversation within the coaching community and most big time coaches want nothing to do with what goes on here - would I love to see Urban Myer or Leach here?  Sure (although I realize that the powers that be would have neither of them) - and, maybe they'd come - I don't know - all I know is that since Houston Nutt we have had a real problem with putting a good product on the field except for the BP short-lived era, but to me that was an aberration in the sense that he wanted to get away from pro-football (maybe just the Flacons) - but he was toxic and it came back to bite us in the butt - IMHO, in what we should do now is just sit back, lick our wounds, realize that we're going to get beat by what we consider to be inferior programs and hopefully wait for the success which should come down the road - if it doesn't get better within the next 3 years, then fire him and try to find someone else - at least by then the coaches out there who might consider us will realize that we will give them a fair opportunity

I'm just as butthurt as anyone else - I hate this for the school that I went to for 7 years and team that I have been sitting in the stands since the 1950's (and was a Broyles/Matthews contributor for several years during that time) - but you have to be logical about what to do at this point - and, I don't think there's much logical thinking going on here




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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #143 on: October 15, 2019, 05:37:17 pm »

You are the one that is delusional, nobody is expecting Rome, but let's try to move to the looking competent realm. We haven't under this coach.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #144 on: October 15, 2019, 05:45:45 pm »

His hiring of Muss as men's head basketball coach well counteracted that.

His hiring of Coach Muss was a fine move, perhaps even genius.
But the point was telling everyone Morris has things headed in the right direction is embarrassing for him.


Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped about Musselman. He's saying all the right things, and I like his philosophy.

But we have to cool our jets -- he hasn't even coached one game here, let alone a season.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #145 on: October 15, 2019, 05:48:41 pm »

Plus tons of other schools were also looking for coaches.  Chad Morris doesn't end up on the call sheet at either Arkansas or Ole Miss if there weren't so many other schools ahead of them in line. 
The possibilities open up if the Brain Trust doesn't sit around like acolytes waiting for St. Gus to bless them.

The timing was completely hosed by Gus' maneuvering for a better contract out of Auburn. Indeed, not only did that hurt the hiring process but it also put the new staff behind the chains in their first recruiting class.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #146 on: October 15, 2019, 05:49:46 pm »


Don't get me wrong, I'm pumped about Musselman. He's saying all the right things, and I like his philosophy.

But we have to cool our jets -- he hasn't even coached one game here, let alone a season.

Agreed, but he sure is kickin' butt in recruiting.
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #147 on: October 15, 2019, 05:51:51 pm »

Agreed, but he sure is kickin' butt in recruiting.
And unlike Chad Morris - he and his family have really embraced the state.

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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #148 on: October 15, 2019, 05:58:34 pm »

Agreed, but he sure is kickin' butt in recruiting.
signed 1 guy lol while Mike Anderson has signed 4 and has a loaded class coming, don’t get me wrong I like muss but saying he’s kicking butt in recruiting would be false
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Re: Boys the winds of change
« Reply #149 on: October 15, 2019, 06:08:37 pm »

You are the one that is delusional, nobody is expecting Rome, but let's try to move to the looking competent realm. We haven't under this coach.

While I don't think that this challenge has any chance of surviving  the next couple of years, come back to me in 2022 and let's talk about where the program is versus now - assuming that CM is still our coach - if not, extend that timeline 5 years beyond whatever the first year of whatever coach survives at least 5 years is
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