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The answer to our coaching dilemma
« on: October 14, 2019, 06:18:36 pm »

Paul Hilton Davis Jr. (Butch) Butch is a former Razorback (67 years old) and has been a winner everywhere he coached. Currently 20-12 at FIU. Part of 2 Super Bowl wins as Defensive Coordinator with the Cowboys(played DE at Arkansas) so he could certainly help with our defense. Also a former HC in the NFL.

We all know that he is in the twilight of his career so maybe he would give his Alma Mater a good 2 or 3 years to help us get our feet back under us. Then Yurachek would have a much better opportunity to go after a bigger fish. Right now with our last 5 to 7 years it will be very hard to hire anyone but an up-and-comer. If Butch could manage to get us back to respectability we would stand a much better chance to hire a more established coach.

I think that most of the power people on the Hill could support this knowing that we are in a pretty bad situation and the fact that Butch is a darned good football coach. One thing is for certain, with his connections putting together a big time staff will be a lot easier.

Tell me why I am wrong.

Head coaching record Butch Davis
College
Year    Team    Overall    Conference    Standing    Bowl/playoffs    Coaches#    AP°
Miami Hurricanes (Big East Conference) (1995–2000)
1995    Miami    8–3    6–1    T–1st          20
1996    Miami    9–3    6–1    T–1st    W Carquest    14    14
1997    Miami    5–6    3–4    T–5th         
1998    Miami    9–3    5–2    T–2nd    W Micron PC    21    20
1999    Miami    9–4    6–1    2nd    W Gator    15    15
2000    Miami    11–1    7–0    1st    W Sugar†    2    2
Miami:    51–20    33–9   
North Carolina Tar Heels (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2007–2010)
2007    North Carolina    4–8    3–5    4th (Coastal)         
2008    North Carolina    0–5*    0–4*    T–3rd (Coastal)    L Meineke Car Care       
2009    North Carolina    0–5*    0–4*    4th (Coastal)    L Meineke Car Care       
2010    North Carolina    8–5    4–4    T–3rd (Coastal)    W Music City       
North Carolina:    12–23**    7–17**   
FIU Panthers (Conference USA) (2017–present)
2017    FIU    8–5    5–3    2nd (East)    L Gasparilla       
2018    FIU    9–4    6–2    T–2nd (East)    W Bahamas       
2019    FIU    3–3    1–2    (East)         
FIU:    20–12    12–7   
Total:    83–55

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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2019, 08:42:40 pm »

I posted this a few days ago before this coaching replacement thing completely blew up.
I still think this guy would be the best solution for right now.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 09:05:12 pm »

I agree he should have been our coach at some point, but that ship has sailed.  The guy is just too old.  It's a lost opportunity. 

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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2019, 09:06:16 pm »

Why are the only names people seem to be able to come with either retreads or morally bankrupt or both?
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 09:07:25 pm »

October 31, 1951 (age 67 years)
November 17, 1951 (age 67 years)

Care to guess the guy with the first B'Day listed? The guy with the second???
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2019, 09:10:08 pm »

October 31, 1951 (age 67 years)
November 17, 1951 (age 67 years)

Care to guess the guy with the first B'Day listed? The guy with the second???

Saban? Do I win? What do I win?
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2019, 09:11:39 pm »

I agree he should have been our coach at some point, but that ship has sailed.  The guy is just too old.  It's a lost opportunity. 

Sadly, yes.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2019, 09:20:32 pm »

It is NEVER too late to hire a good coach and yeah if Saban can still coach at 67 so can Butch. Snyder was a lot older than that and still did a good job.

We want a "name"                                                  Check
We want Defense                                                   Check
We want to be able to hire great assistants               Check

I have always thought that Butch should have been given a closer look BEFORE BB was hired, but he doesn't write a good letter.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2019, 09:30:37 pm »

He could bring stability and may be able to attract solid, EXPERIENCED coordinators knowing they may have a shoe in when Butch retires.  I didn't like this option 2 yrs ago.  But its probably a much better fit two yrs later. Funny how things change so quickly.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2019, 11:38:29 pm »

It is NEVER too late to hire a good coach and yeah if Saban can still coach at 67 so can Butch. Snyder was a lot older than that and still did a good job.

We want a "name"                                                  Check
We want Defense                                                   Check
We want to be able to hire great assistants               Check

I have always thought that Butch should have been given a closer look BEFORE BB was hired, but he doesn't write a good letter.

Neither of them went to a new job at that age, especially what would be a rebuild.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2019, 06:23:18 am »

October 31, 1951 (age 67 years)
November 17, 1951 (age 67 years)

Care to guess the guy with the first B'Day listed? The guy with the second???

Saban? Do I win? What do I win?

Butch Davis for November.  Pete Carroll was September of 1951.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2019, 07:25:16 am »

Neither of them went to a new job at that age, especially what would be a rebuild.

Well, Snyder was 69 when he came back for the second stint, which was to a degree a rebuild.   Nothing like ours would be though.

I do agree it's probably not best to hitch our rebuild to a guy who'd be 68 when he took the job.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 07:34:18 am »

Paul Hilton Davis Jr. (Butch) Butch is a former Razorback (67 years old) and has been a winner everywhere he coached. Currently 20-12 at FIU. Part of 2 Super Bowl wins as Defensive Coordinator with the Cowboys(played DE at Arkansas) so he could certainly help with our defense. Also a former HC in the NFL.

We all know that he is in the twilight of his career so maybe he would give his Alma Mater a good 2 or 3 years to help us get our feet back under us. Then Yurachek would have a much better opportunity to go after a bigger fish. Right now with our last 5 to 7 years it will be very hard to hire anyone but an up-and-comer. If Butch could manage to get us back to respectability we would stand a much better chance to hire a more established coach.

I think that most of the power people on the Hill could support this knowing that we are in a pretty bad situation and the fact that Butch is a darned good football coach. One thing is for certain, with his connections putting together a big time staff will be a lot easier.

Tell me why I am wrong.

Head coaching record Butch Davis
College
Year    Team    Overall    Conference    Standing    Bowl/playoffs    Coaches#    AP°
Miami Hurricanes (Big East Conference) (1995–2000)
1995    Miami    8–3    6–1    T–1st          20
1996    Miami    9–3    6–1    T–1st    W Carquest    14    14
1997    Miami    5–6    3–4    T–5th         
1998    Miami    9–3    5–2    T–2nd    W Micron PC    21    20
1999    Miami    9–4    6–1    2nd    W Gator    15    15
2000    Miami    11–1    7–0    1st    W Sugar†    2    2
Miami:    51–20    33–9   
North Carolina Tar Heels (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2007–2010)
2007    North Carolina    4–8    3–5    4th (Coastal)         
2008    North Carolina    0–5*    0–4*    T–3rd (Coastal)    L Meineke Car Care       
2009    North Carolina    0–5*    0–4*    4th (Coastal)    L Meineke Car Care       
2010    North Carolina    8–5    4–4    T–3rd (Coastal)    W Music City       
North Carolina:    12–23**    7–17**   
FIU Panthers (Conference USA) (2017–present)
2017    FIU    8–5    5–3    2nd (East)    L Gasparilla       
2018    FIU    9–4    6–2    T–2nd (East)    W Bahamas       
2019    FIU    3–3    1–2    (East)         
FIU:    20–12    12–7   
Total:    83–55
while he has a good resumes, he’s 67 and we don’t have enough talent to beat a lot of people. We could win more games with him however. You could do the same with Petrino.
The issue with CCM is he is losing games due to poor coaching from all of the coaches. It’s not the talent. Yet I think most feel we need a younger coach with a great offensive mind and willing to hire a a great defensive coach. Recruiting will always be factor also.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 10:40:59 am »

Paul Hilton Davis Jr. (Butch) Butch is a former Razorback (67 years old) and has been a winner everywhere he coached. Currently 20-12 at FIU. Part of 2 Super Bowl wins as Defensive Coordinator with the Cowboys(played DE at Arkansas) so he could certainly help with our defense. Also a former HC in the NFL.

I always liked Butch Davis but I think if he had been a serious hire he would have gotten the job years ago.  Not sure why his name doesn't come up more often.
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Re: The answer to our coaching dilemma
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2019, 11:34:15 am »

OP,

I completely agree and I've been telling people for years Arkansas needed to hire Butch Davis as head coach. His age prevents him from being a long term solution as HC, but he can be a long term solution for bringing the program back. Let him coach 3-5 years and build it back, then help us find his replacement before he retires. I dont know what's going to happen with Morris, but if a change is made sooner rather than later, I 100% believe Butch is the solution and the best person for the job.

A couple of additional points to your post.

1. Butch has said more than once publicly, he would love the opportunity to be HC at Arkansas.

2. That 2000 Miami team he rebuilt from sanctions went on to win the NC the following year. The year after he went to the NFL, but it was his team; he built it. On top of that, that 01 Miami team is the greatest college football team ever. Some will argue a few others, like the 95 Huskers, etc. But does it really matter when you are arguing best ever?
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