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EastexHawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #100 on: February 03, 2020, 04:08:16 pm »

Chris Jones and Mathieu are difference makers on defense.  They need to be the two priorities in terms of trying to keep them around for a few years.  I really think the emergence of Mathieu was what put them over the top, from one of the worst defenses anyone ever saw to a group that gave the offense a chance to win it all.  Of course Frank Clark is a player and I like Sorenson because he would hit his mother if she came across the middle.

Mahomes, Tyreek, and Kelce go without saying.  It's going to be interesting to see how many of these guys want to stay around and try to win more Super Bowls vs. trying to get every penny they can get elsewhere.

Oliver

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #101 on: February 04, 2020, 09:02:42 pm »

Interesting topic for the super bowl...

Everyone is raving about the 49ers defense.... they have actually given up more points than the chiefs this season...

49ers have also score more than the chiefs this season...

For 3.5 qtrs, they made Mahomes look more human than he ever has.  Then the curse of Kyle Shanahan kicked in. 

Really as a Niners fan, I was done with Kyle after the way he ended the first half.  Just pathetic and scared playcalling.  Even if we had won, heís never going to win the big game
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #102 on: February 04, 2020, 09:35:28 pm »

For 3.5 qtrs, they made Mahomes look more human than he ever has.  Then the curse of Kyle Shanahan kicked in. 

Really as a Niners fan, I was done with Kyle after the way he ended the first half.  Just pathetic and scared playcalling.  Even if we had won, heís never going to win the big game

Good lord, Niners were awful after Harbaugh left. You are saying the same crap that Eagles fans said about Andy Reid. You ditch Shannahan and you are destined for 5 more years of 2-14, 4-12, 6-10.  Chiefs did this to everyone down the stretch. O'Brien blew it, Vrabel blew it, Shannahan blew it. Without Dee F'ng Ford blowing it last year Bellechick would have blown it and this would have been their 2nd Super Bowl win. 7 Touchdowns in a row against the Texans, 28 straight points against the Titans, 21 4th Qtr points in 7:30 on your Niners. You people act like you didn't expect this to happen. That is what they do. It wasn't Shannahan, it was Mahomes, it was Kansas City, it was exactly how they win. You people need to quit crying, support your coach, support your organization and get better. Unfortunately you are probably going to be Peyton Manning to Tom Brady. Lot's of 13-3 seasons culminating in Super Bowl losses. Maybe yall should follow through on the ESPN joke and cah out Jimmy G for Brady. Now that would be downright funny. As a season ticket holder I had to suck it up through the Niners washed up QB years, it would be fitting for you guys to start taking the Patriots washed up QB's.

In all honesty, very glad that you care Oliver. Wishing your guys luck next year. Was in the stadium and watched Jimmy G go down last year and that is never something I want to see. Just had to talk some smack....been 50 years!! I moved here in the Joe Montana years and it was the most excited I've been about Chiefs football until last year.
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EastexHawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #103 on: February 05, 2020, 09:39:15 am »

Mahomes threw two interceptions, but his stat line is now 13 TD passes and two picks in the playoffs.  He is also 4-1 on the scoreboard.  He's not perfect, but only imaginary QBs are.

Troy Aikman threw 23 career playoff TDs...and 17 interceptions.  Joe Montana?  45 TDs, 21 interceptions.  Terry Bradshaw?  30 TDs, 26 interceptions.  Tom Brady?  73 TDs, 35 picks.  John Elway?  27 and 21.

The closest stat line I can find to Mahomes is Bart Starr, with 15 career TD passes and 3 interceptions.  He was 9-1 in the playoffs in his career.  He also only attempted 21 passes per game and gained an average of 175 yards.  Having two Hall of Fame running backs, three Hall of Famers on the offensive line, and six Hall of Famers on defense didn't lend itself to slinging it all over the field.

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #104 on: February 06, 2020, 09:17:35 am »

Parade was an absolute blast yesterday!!!!
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#1 STUNNA

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #105 on: February 06, 2020, 09:18:25 am »

For 3.5 qtrs, they made Mahomes look more human than he ever has.  Then the curse of Kyle Shanahan kicked in. 

Really as a Niners fan, I was done with Kyle after the way he ended the first half.  Just pathetic and scared playcalling.  Even if we had won, heís never going to win the big game
Shanahan said he ended the half the way he did because of #15.. crazy
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EastexHawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #106 on: February 06, 2020, 08:18:05 pm »

Shanahan said he ended the half the way he did because of #15.. crazy

Teams did all kinds of crazy stuff because of #15 this year, like going for it on 4th down in situations where they normally wouldn't.

oldman1015

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #107 on: February 07, 2020, 07:13:12 am »

Shanahan said he ended the half the way he did because of #15.. crazy
With the 49ers offense and then getting the ball back in the 2nd half I didnít disagree with him not wanting Mahomes to get the ball back.

oldman1015

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #108 on: February 07, 2020, 07:15:41 am »

For 3.5 qtrs, they made Mahomes look more human than he ever has.  Then the curse of Kyle Shanahan kicked in. 

Really as a Niners fan, I was done with Kyle after the way he ended the first half.  Just pathetic and scared playcalling.  Even if we had won, heís never going to win the big game
Iím guessing youíre a board member at Arkansas. Wow you really want to get rid of him? Damn
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #109 on: February 07, 2020, 09:12:10 am »

With the 49ers offense and then getting the ball back in the 2nd half I didnít disagree with him not wanting Mahomes to get the ball back.
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Oliver

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #110 on: February 07, 2020, 10:13:58 am »

Good lord, Niners were awful after Harbaugh left. You are saying the same crap that Eagles fans said about Andy Reid. You ditch Shannahan and you are destined for 5 more years of 2-14, 4-12, 6-10.  Chiefs did this to everyone down the stretch. O'Brien blew it, Vrabel blew it, Shannahan blew it. Without Dee F'ng Ford blowing it last year Bellechick would have blown it and this would have been their 2nd Super Bowl win. 7 Touchdowns in a row against the Texans, 28 straight points against the Titans, 21 4th Qtr points in 7:30 on your Niners. You people act like you didn't expect this to happen. That is what they do. It wasn't Shannahan, it was Mahomes, it was Kansas City, it was exactly how they win. You people need to quit crying, support your coach, support your organization and get better. Unfortunately you are probably going to be Peyton Manning to Tom Brady. Lot's of 13-3 seasons culminating in Super Bowl losses. Maybe yall should follow through on the ESPN joke and cah out Jimmy G for Brady. Now that would be downright funny. As a season ticket holder I had to suck it up through the Niners washed up QB years, it would be fitting for you guys to start taking the Patriots washed up QB's.

In all honesty, very glad that you care Oliver. Wishing your guys luck next year. Was in the stadium and watched Jimmy G go down last year and that is never something I want to see. Just had to talk some smack....been 50 years!! I moved here in the Joe Montana years and it was the most excited I've been about Chiefs football until last year.

I don't want to take anything away from what the Chiefs did.  Anytime you say a team choked (and the 49ers did, they had a 96% chance of winning the game in the middle of the 4th qtr), you have to give credit to the other team for taking advantage of the poor play of the other team.  It takes two to tango. 

Realistically you can't fire Shannahan.  He is a great offensive mind.  He took a team that won 4 games last year and took them to a Super Bowl. 

He's just never winning the big game.  You don't come back from two Super Bowl collapses like this.  It'll be in his head forever.  Hell his first collapse was haunting him throughout this game and it showed with a lot of his decision making.

But seriously, congrats to your Chiefs!  I have nothing bad to say about the Chiefs.

Oliver

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #111 on: February 07, 2020, 10:18:26 am »

With the 49ers offense and then getting the ball back in the 2nd half I didnít disagree with him not wanting Mahomes to get the ball back.

If you are going to beat the Chiefs, you have to score a lot of points on them.  I don't care how good your defense is, Mahomes is going to get his.  The Niners had Mahomes frustrated in the first half and were running at will on the Chiefs.  You go for points there at the end of the half.  And if you get them, you STILL get the ball back to start the 2nd half. 

Shannahan coached scared.  He went for FGs instead of trying for first downs.  Andy Reid didn't.  That's a big reason why the game ended the way it did.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #112 on: February 07, 2020, 05:40:05 pm »

Teams did all kinds of crazy stuff because of #15 this year, like going for it on 4th down in situations where they normally wouldn't.

So he made good teams play like losers out of fear.  That's something you can't measure in a QB.
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EastexHawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #113 on: February 10, 2020, 02:43:24 pm »

Forget Gone With The Wind, Casablanca , and Patton, this may be the greatest video of all time. 

https://youtu.be/4qkBO5WUK5o

I bet Andy Reid soiled his britches when he saw how close Mahomes was to the railing.  LOL.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #114 on: February 10, 2020, 03:43:33 pm »

Forget Gone With The Wind, Casablanca , and Patton, this may be the greatest video of all time. 

https://youtu.be/4qkBO5WUK5o

I bet Andy Reid soiled his britches when he saw how close Mahomes was to the railing.  LOL.
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311Hog

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #115 on: February 10, 2020, 03:52:11 pm »

If you are going to beat the Chiefs, you have to score a lot of points on them.  I don't care how good your defense is, Mahomes is going to get his.  The Niners had Mahomes frustrated in the first half and were running at will on the Chiefs.  You go for points there at the end of the half.  And if you get them, you STILL get the ball back to start the 2nd half. 

Shannahan coached scared.  He went for FGs instead of trying for first downs.  Andy Reid didn't.  That's a big reason why the game ended the way it did.
as a niners fan i completely agree. I am not saying Shannahan wont recover from this, but he was coaching scared and Jimmy G was playing scared as well.

Would be kind of funny if they went after Brady, but at this point you almost have to grow up with them and hope for the best.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #116 on: February 10, 2020, 05:38:55 pm »

as a niners fan i completely agree. I am not saying Shannahan wont recover from this, but he was coaching scared and Jimmy G was playing scared as well.

Would be kind of funny if they went after Brady, but at this point you almost have to grow up with them and hope for the best.

Jimmy G is a bit overrated IMO. I thought he played a pretty solid game by his standards.

Whatever Shanahan was doing, it was working for about 50 straight minutes. Mahomes was about as comfortable as a cat in a sweater and choking like a kid on a grape for those first 50 minutes or so. However, once he coughed that grape up and took that sweater off, then it was game over.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #117 on: February 10, 2020, 09:37:21 pm »

Forget Gone With The Wind, Casablanca , and Patton, this may be the greatest video of all time. 

https://youtu.be/4qkBO5WUK5o

I bet Andy Reid soiled his britches when he saw how close Mahomes was to the railing.  LOL.

Stone Cold style with the beer catch and chug
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311Hog

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2020, 09:40:20 am »

Jimmy G is a bit overrated IMO. I thought he played a pretty solid game by his standards.

Whatever Shanahan was doing, it was working for about 50 straight minutes. Mahomes was about as comfortable as a cat in a sweater and choking like a kid on a grape for those first 50 minutes or so. However, once he coughed that grape up and took that sweater off, then it was game over.

Jimmy G is protected and yes over rated but still very very young just like Shanahan honestly. There is clearly talent there remains to be seen if this is the peak though i obviously hope not.

Mahomes is a different animal, but you are right that was the most uncomfortable i have ever seen him.  I think Sherman got exposed in this game a little bit to the Cheifs really do deserve the credit on this, they played good enough defense and turned it on during the most important part of the game.  I was really entertained by the whole game these were the two best teams.
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EastexHawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2020, 12:17:36 pm »

There are only a few game changer QBs at any given time and the teams that get and keep them have a real advantage.  Unitas, Staubach, Montana, Favre, Brady, Elway, Marino, Mahomes.  How many championships have those guys won compared to bus drivers?  Bart Starr was a game manager who didn't make mistakes, and he is the #1 exception.

If you don't have one player who can take over the game you are relying on your 45-53 man roster to be better than your opponent's and for the breaks to go in your favor, or at least be neutral.  One great QB who can turn the outcome based on his own mental makeup and skill set is probably more likely even though that guy can be hard to find.

Mahomes was the best player in America in college and should have won the Heisman.  Anyone who watched him play much at all realized he wasn't just a Texas Tech system quarterback like Symons, Harrell, or Kingsbury.  During the Super Bowl pregame Andy Reid said in an interview that before the draft the KC general manager told him Mahomes was the greatest player he had ever seen.  Jimmy Johnson said on the set that he is the most talented QB he has ever seen.  Phil Simms has said more than once that the NFL has never seen an arm like Mahomes'.  John Gruden was virtually awestruck at some of the throws he made at Tech when he featured Patrick on this show.

He ran off Baker Mayfield and Davis Webb from Tech because they knew they couldn't compete with him for playing time.  Later Mahomes went head to head with Mayfield and broke all-time Division 1 records with 734 passing yards and 819 yards of total offense.  Of course Mayfield won the game 66-59...and eventually the Heisman...because he had better talent around him.

The evidence was all there.  Kansas City was paying close enough attention to act on it and now they have their world championship.
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#1 STUNNA

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2020, 04:07:26 pm »

Just put it like this... in what some say was Mahomes worst game of his career the super bowl... he threw for 110 yards more than the 49ers had been giving up this season.

#1 STUNNA

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2020, 04:09:46 pm »

He has had a short career so far and I wont dare call him the goat right now out of respect for guys that have done it longer....

But if I was betting money on one season, one game, one play in a football game.... id take Mahomes right now over anyone ive ever seen at their best..

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #122 on: February 16, 2020, 11:02:36 am »

Good lord, Niners were awful after Harbaugh left. You are saying the same crap that Eagles fans said about Andy Reid. You ditch Shannahan and you are destined for 5 more years of 2-14, 4-12, 6-10.  Chiefs did this to everyone down the stretch. O'Brien blew it, Vrabel blew it, Shannahan blew it. Without Dee F'ng Ford blowing it last year Bellechick would have blown it and this would have been their 2nd Super Bowl win. 7 Touchdowns in a row against the Texans, 28 straight points against the Titans, 21 4th Qtr points in 7:30 on your Niners. You people act like you didn't expect this to happen. That is what they do. It wasn't Shannahan, it was Mahomes, it was Kansas City, it was exactly how they win. You people need to quit crying, support your coach, support your organization and get better. Unfortunately you are probably going to be Peyton Manning to Tom Brady. Lot's of 13-3 seasons culminating in Super Bowl losses. Maybe yall should follow through on the ESPN joke and cah out Jimmy G for Brady. Now that would be downright funny. As a season ticket holder I had to suck it up through the Niners washed up QB years, it would be fitting for you guys to start taking the Patriots washed up QB's.

In all honesty, very glad that you care Oliver. Wishing your guys luck next year. Was in the stadium and watched Jimmy G go down last year and that is never something I want to see. Just had to talk some smack....been 50 years!! I moved here in the Joe Montana years and it was the most excited I've been about Chiefs football until last year.

I was there for Jimmy G's knee, too. Jimmy had a couple hoes in the seats right in front of us and when he was carted off RIGHT PAST THEM (front row) the were too busy making duck fuce selfies to even notice. The one that copped to banging Jimmy (before the porn star, she clarified) was kinda skanky but the other one was very cute. She called me hot, the damn liar, lol.

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #123 on: July 06, 2020, 02:20:24 pm »

Great day to be a Chiefs fan!!!

k.c.hawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #124 on: July 06, 2020, 02:28:41 pm »

Great day to be a Chiefs fan!!!

Think I will call and see if I can lock my season tickets in for 11 more years at 2020 prices!!  ;) ;)

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #125 on: July 06, 2020, 02:29:59 pm »

What are they gonna change the mascot name to?
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k.c.hawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #126 on: July 06, 2020, 02:34:39 pm »

What are they gonna change the mascot name to?

I like Chiefs but I dont give a #### what their name is. Been a season ticket holder 25 seasons and never renewed because of their name.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #127 on: July 06, 2020, 02:35:24 pm »

I like Chiefs but I dont give a #### what their name is. Been a season ticket holder 25 seasons and never renewed because of their name.
Do you think they should change it?
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k.c.hawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #128 on: July 06, 2020, 02:42:33 pm »

Do you think they should change it?

No, they have a Native American Ceremony every year with tribes from around the region that I really enjoy. In the limited number of tribal leaders I've heard speak on the subject of Chiefs they said they have always felt honored by the affiliation. It wouldn't surprise me if the first thing that goes is the Tomahawk Chop. And if the name Chiefs goes I will accept the change as I have many others in my 60 years on earth.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #129 on: July 06, 2020, 02:47:27 pm »

What are they gonna change the mascot name to?
itll probably be champs... and the super bowl trophy will be the logo...
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #130 on: July 06, 2020, 02:48:49 pm »

No, they have a Native American Ceremony every year with tribes from around the region that I really enjoy. In the limited number of tribal leaders I've heard speak on the subject of Chiefs they said they have always felt honored by the affiliation. It wouldn't surprise me if the first thing that goes is the Tomahawk Chop. And if the name Chiefs goes I will accept the change as I have many others in my 60 years on earth.
and technically the name came from the old KC mayor that helped bring the the team to KC. His nickname was chief.

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #131 on: July 06, 2020, 02:49:00 pm »

Sporting News@sportingnews

16m
Patrick Mahomes is staying with the Chiefs for a VERY long time.

Patrick Mahomes contract: Chiefs reportedly sign QB to 10-year extension, the 'richest' in NFL...
The former league MVP and Super Bowl champ is staying in Kansas City through the 2031 season.
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Kansas City quarterback, fresh off a miraculous Super Bowl run and a year removed from winning league MVP, has agreed to a 10-year contract extension...

Specific terms of the deal have not been disclosed, but it is the "richest contract in NFL history."
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #132 on: July 06, 2020, 02:50:17 pm »

to be honest Chief has a positive connotation, redskin is an insult by contrast.

pat got paid today

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #133 on: July 06, 2020, 02:54:45 pm »

No, they have a Native American Ceremony every year with tribes from around the region that I really enjoy. In the limited number of tribal leaders I've heard speak on the subject of Chiefs they said they have always felt honored by the affiliation. It wouldn't surprise me if the first thing that goes is the Tomahawk Chop. And if the name Chiefs goes I will accept the change as I have many others in my 60 years on earth.
Totally agree.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #134 on: July 06, 2020, 02:58:09 pm »

Think I will call and see if I can lock my season tickets in for 11 more years at 2020 prices!!  ;) ;)
absolutely!!!

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #135 on: July 06, 2020, 04:31:14 pm »

Biggest contract in professional sports ever.... shhhhheeeessshhh
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2020, 07:48:55 am »

Michael DeCourcy@tsnmike

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 -- Patrick Mahomes contract details: Here's how much money Chiefs QB will actually make in 'half-billion' dollar deal

How much money is Patrick Mahomes' contract with the Chiefs worth?
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24-year-old quarterback's new deal is the richest contract in NFL history. With an average annual salary of $45 million once the extension kicks in starting with the 2022 season, no player in American team sports will make more money on an annual basis.

And yet, this is still a good deal for the Chiefs, who now have the reigning Super Bowl MVP locked in for the next 12 years. Mahomes will count for only $5.347 million against Kansas City's salary cap in 2020 as the team attempts to repeat as champions, and the contract is back-loaded in a way that accounts for what's expected to be a rising salary cap over the next decade.

So, in short, the Chiefs will never be overpaying for Mahomes as long as he continues to be the kind of player he has been since he was selected with the 10th overall pick in the 2017 NFL Draft. If anything, he eventually will be underpaid.

Below are all the details of Mahomes' massive contract extension with the Chiefs:

Mahomes could earn up to $502.631 million over the next 12 years if he hits all of his incentives. The base value of his contract, including the next two seasons before his extension kicks in, is $477.631 million for an average of $39.8 million per year. Starting in 2022, Mahomes will make an average of $45 million per year.

The total cash each year is made up of Mahomes' base salary, roster bonus and workout bonus, not including signing bonus pay and incentives:
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k.c.hawg

Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #137 on: July 08, 2020, 10:41:14 am »

This gives the Chiefs a clear window the next 3 years to add another ring. P15's salary cap numbers are $5m in 2020 (please let there be a full season), $24m in 2021 and $31m in 2022 allowing them to not have to be in a rush to dump good players because of cap #. This gives them 3 years to play out some high dollar contracts and draft (hopefully well). The 2019 draft was very encouraging, hoping they can build on that with 2020 looking good to me on paper.

The next 4 years his number will be $42m, $40m, $42m and $42m. There is a very good chance he will not be the biggest cap # QB in several of those seasons. At the end of the 2025 season player and team will have had a chance to rework the deal. On the 3rd day of 2026 he will either be guaranteed all of his 26 salarary and $49m of 27 as a roster bonus, for $92 million toatal or have a new deal in hand.  His cap # in 27 is almost $60m so I would expect bonuses and an extension to kick some of that cap hit until the end of his playing days.

Bottom line is, this contract offers him great security and gives the Chiefs a ton of flexiblity. The $49m roster bonus in 2027 has to be decided upon by 2025 and that is when i think a new deal comes and it becomes a signing bonus prorated over another 8 years. The best thing the Chiefs can do is the first year Mahomes is no longer a Chief is take a huge cap hit from his playing days rather than taking it during his playing days. Odds are you will be linin g up with a minimum wage young QB that year.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #138 on: July 08, 2020, 12:22:36 pm »

Chiefs finally announce Arrowhead Stadium will be under reduced-capacity plan for the 2020 season


Mizzou and Arkansas are scheduled to play in Arrowhead Stadium this season.
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Team has yet to specify how reduced Arrowhead Stadium will be in 2020

Arkansas and Missouri are scheduled to meet in Arrowhead Stadium on Saturday, Nov. 28
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #139 on: July 08, 2020, 12:45:47 pm »

They just invalidated all season tickets for 2020. Credit for 2021, 2021 ticket remain flat on price, priority to buy single game tickets as they know capacity, option for your own seats if full capacity is allowed for playoffs.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #140 on: July 14, 2020, 12:33:54 pm »

Chris Jones deal is done!!!!!!
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #141 on: July 14, 2020, 01:18:52 pm »

Yes!! helluva a deal, surprised he took a 4 year deal but damn happy. Dude is a beast just hitting his prime. CJ and Frank have to be one of the top few DL tandems in the NFL.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #142 on: July 17, 2020, 11:24:20 am »

Is Patrick Mahomes worth $500 million?



Mahomes may be on his way to being the greatest quarterback ever, and the Kansas City Chiefs are paying him like it.
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Mahomes may be on his way to being the greatest quarterback ever, and the Kansas City Chiefs are paying him like it. The reigning Super Bowl MVP received the richest sports deal in American professional sports, potentially receiving over $500 million over 12 years. Many think after winning an MVP, a Super Bowl and being named an All-Pro before turning 25, he is worth every penny of that deal. Others donít think itís prudent to sink that much money into a player when teams win championships. What do you think?

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2020, 09:45:49 am »

Is Patrick Mahomes worth $500 million?



Mahomes may be on his way to being the greatest quarterback ever, and the Kansas City Chiefs are paying him like it.
al.com



In the world of NFL football, hell yes!! When you are fortunate enough to draft this player, you never want him to play for another team regardless. By having him locked up for 12 years, they know going into every off season they do not have the worry, the distraction, the potential animosity of trying to negotiate a deal with their franchise QB.

He negotiated a deal that gave them 3 years with a very low QB cap # for a franchise QB. That allowed the Chiefs to sign Chris Jones. That gives the Chiefs their absolute best chance at another ring over the next 2-3 seasons.

In the NFL the only way to beat the cap is to win at all costs and kick the cost of winning down the road. When you get down the road you renegotiate the deal, add more bonus money and years and kick the cost of winning further down the road. Once your franchise Qb retires you are probably going to have a couple of down years with a young QB and that's when you eat a ton of dead cap.

I love this deal, a young QB that is dripping leadership quality, unbelievable talent and he is a winner. An AFC Championship that was lost by the defense, a Super Bowl Championship, a season MVP, a Super Bowl MVP and his cap number the next 3 years are $5.35m, $24.8m and $31.4m The time to win is now. They will lose high $$$ veterans over the years to come to accommodate this deal but this buys you 3 years to draft good young talent. Draft well and you could have the next dynasty.

Patrick Mahomes will have the rank of 30th in QB cap # in 2020 just above Taysom Hill.

Patrick Mahomes projecect rank of 13th in QB cap # in  2021 just above Alex Smith

Patrick Mahomes projected rank of 7th in QB cap # in 2022.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #144 on: July 20, 2020, 10:22:05 am »

In the world of NFL football, hell yes!! When you are fortunate enough to draft this player, you never want him to play for another team regardless. By having him locked up for 12 years, they know going into every off season they do not have the worry, the distraction, the potential animosity of trying to negotiate a deal with their franchise QB.

He negotiated a deal that gave them 3 years with a very low QB cap # for a franchise QB. That allowed the Chiefs to sign Chris Jones. That gives the Chiefs their absolute best chance at another ring over the next 2-3 seasons.

In the NFL the only way to beat the cap is to win at all costs and kick the cost of winning down the road. When you get down the road you renegotiate the deal, add more bonus money and years and kick the cost of winning further down the road. Once your franchise Qb retires you are probably going to have a couple of down years with a young QB and that's when you eat a ton of dead cap.

I love this deal, a young QB that is dripping leadership quality, unbelievable talent and he is a winner. An AFC Championship that was lost by the defense, a Super Bowl Championship, a season MVP, a Super Bowl MVP and his cap number the next 3 years are $5.35m, $24.8m and $31.4m The time to win is now. They will lose high $$$ veterans over the years to come to accommodate this deal but this buys you 3 years to draft good young talent. Draft well and you could have the next dynasty.

Patrick Mahomes will have the rank of 30th in QB cap # in 2020 just above Taysom Hill.

Patrick Mahomes projecect rank of 13th in QB cap # in  2021 just above Alex Smith

Patrick Mahomes projected rank of 7th in QB cap # in 2022.

people worried about cap games.. we are worried about super bowl games...

Athletes like Mahomes are very rare... you dont ever let them get away...regardless of what the number is...

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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #145 on: July 20, 2020, 10:45:52 am »

people worried about cap games.. we are worried about super bowl games...

Athletes like Mahomes are very rare... you dont ever let them get away...regardless of what the number is...

this is just  a theory but i believe Mahomes has already made this much money for the Chief's franchise, if not exactly at least very close.  Winning a Super Bowl is HUGE in terms of $$$$$, extra games extra tickets, extra concessions, more jersey sales. etc. etc etc.   most folks don't understand just how much a winning program makes it is astronomical. 
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #146 on: July 20, 2020, 11:19:00 am »

this is just  a theory but i believe Mahomes has already made this much money for the Chief's franchise, if not exactly at least very close.  Winning a Super Bowl is HUGE in terms of $$$$$, extra games extra tickets, extra concessions, more jersey sales. etc. etc etc.   most folks don't understand just how much a winning program makes it is astronomical. 
agreed... in my opinion you dont worry about down the road.. you worry about now... and the Chiefs are built to win right now... Winning is the hardest thing to do in professional sports. So when you know you have it you do whatever it takes right now.
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Re: Chiefs...
« Reply #147 on: August 13, 2020, 02:20:26 pm »

Veach trying to steal the key to Kansas city from Mahomes..lol

6 more years of Kelce!!!!
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