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Author Topic: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?  (Read 620 times)

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hawkhawg

Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2019, 06:47:13 pm »

I think the way he fired Andre Dawson and Tony Perez may cost him a unanimous vote.
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yraciv

Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2019, 10:02:02 pm »

He'll be first ballot, but is certaingly overated as a modern IF.  Ripken got in at 98.5%, Chipper got in at 97.2% in 2018, both were much better in advanced stats category, and pretty well loved as well. I think Jeter comes in at 95%, but should be in the 80-90% range.
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ucahogfan

Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2019, 08:20:14 pm »

He'll be first ballot, but is certaingly overated as a modern IF.  Ripken got in at 98.5%, Chipper got in at 97.2% in 2018, both were much better in advanced stats category, and pretty well loved as well. I think Jeter comes in at 95%, but should be in the 80-90% range.
The 72.4 career WAR doesn't scream potentially unanimous vote like he very well could have, but his offensive stats and the fact that he was the captain of the Yankees might make him the second behind Rivera.  However, he will go down as the worst defender in the history of baseball over the course of his career in terms of defensive runs saved of which he was -155 from 2003 to 2014.

However, it is still crazy to me it took until 2019 to finally have a unanimous selection to Cooperstown.  Players like Ken Griffey Jr or Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson didn't receive every single vote.  How could anyone argue against them being a first ballot HOF?
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EastexHawg

Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2019, 11:25:04 am »

The 72.4 career WAR doesn't scream potentially unanimous vote like he very well could have, but his offensive stats and the fact that he was the captain of the Yankees might make him the second behind Rivera.  However, he will go down as the worst defender in the history of baseball over the course of his career in terms of defensive runs saved of which he was -155 from 2003 to 2014.

However, it is still crazy to me it took until 2019 to finally have a unanimous selection to Cooperstown.  Players like Ken Griffey Jr or Greg Maddux or Randy Johnson didn't receive every single vote.  How could anyone argue against them being a first ballot HOF?

Who the heck voted against Willie Mays?  He was the ultimate five tool player, not to mention his 660 home runs.  Ted Williams?  You have a .344 career average playing until 1960 (not shortly after the turn of the 20th Century), with .634 slugging, the highest career on-base percentage in history at .482, win six batting titles, win two MVPs, win triple crowns in two more years in which you somehow don't win the MVP, and are the last man to hit over .400...and somehow there are voters who don't think you are Hall of Fame worthy the first year you are eligible?

Their votes should have been stripped from them.
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ucahogfan

Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2019, 01:12:25 pm »

Who the heck voted against Willie Mays?  He was the ultimate five tool player, not to mention his 660 home runs.  Ted Williams?  You have a .344 career average playing until 1960 (not shortly after the turn of the 20th Century), with .634 slugging, the highest career on-base percentage in history at .482, win six batting titles, win two MVPs, win triple crowns in two more years in which you somehow don't win the MVP, and are the last man to hit over .400...and somehow there are voters who don't think you are Hall of Fame worthy the first year you are eligible?

Their votes should have been stripped from them.
Willie Mays only received 95% of the vote on his first ballot.  It is absolutely crazy that 23 voters thought he was not good enough for first ballot induction, but some writers with votes held the belief that they would not vote for a player on the first ballot regardless of qualifications.

Ted Williams had even less support 93.6% of the vote and was only the 8th player elected on their first ballot.

I know in the past couple of years, some writers haven't voted for sure fire options due to such a loaded ballot.  With players like Clemens and Bonds who should be HOFs except for their reputation using PEDs on the ballot, it clogs it up with a lot of really excellent choices.  Someone like Larry Walker was quickly removed from the ballot even though his career stats indicate a borderline HOF due to how loaded the ballot has been lately.
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EastexHawg

Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2019, 08:52:27 am »

Clemens should be in.  There is no proof that he used steroids, only rumors and unsubstantiated claims.  He never tested positive for anything.

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Re: Will Jeter be first ballot Hall of Farmer?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2019, 10:48:03 am »

He'll be first ballot, but not unanimous.
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