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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2019, 07:44:42 pm »

I predict Scoota gets 27 tackles.

I know some are still jaded about last year, and rightfully so, but goodness OM sounds like they're in for a lonnnng year. 

Where on the field is Arkansas actually worse than last year?  Pulley's spot at corner?  Left guard?  Anywhere else??? 

Hope they only run 27 plays then.
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Re: Ole Miss just released their Pre-Camp depth chart
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2019, 08:06:05 pm »

Guard is typically where you have your least mobile players on the entire team. Tackles have to be able to block much faster pass rushers and don't have help to do so and will usually be your best athletes on the offensive line. Your center has to be able to snap the ball and be quick enough to then block some of the strongest players on the opposing team.

The guards get to block immediately upon the snap. Guards have bodies on either side of them making it harder for opposing defensive lineman to simply speed rush around them (unlike the tackles), not to mention the guard will usually have help with a double team block.

So yeah, with the DL needing to pursue and constantly attack vs the offensive line typically just needing to maintain and at least not having to react but instead dictate when they attack, I'm putting the least mobile or athletic player at the OL, and from there, the least mobile and athletic at guard where they have bodies on either side and only have to go up against defensive tackles on passing downs.

Now, what about pulling guards you might ask. There are many plays where the guard will be asked to loop around outside the tackle and then make a block in open space. What about then? Ideally your least mobile players are still going to have some semblance of athleticism, particularly at the collegiate level for starters. Secondly, you have to play your odds. How many passing plays will you have vs plays that you will pull your guard? Probably a lot more passing plays. So, while it would be great to have that more mobile player on the pulling plays, over the course of the game, you are much better off having them play tackle or even center. Further, if you do have an athletic center, there's no reason you can't have your center pull. We've done that with guys like Luigs, Swanson, and Ragnow. Moreover, you aren't limiting yourself that much by having the slower guard pulling either. You are talking about having a 5.3 second forty guy running as opposed to 5.0 second forty yard dash guy, and even then, they are usually never going more than 10 yards even. So, you are looking at hundredths of a second of a difference in terms of impact on your pulling plays, which again are rarer than your passing plays, where again, you want the most speed everywhere but guard.
Pulling guards have to be quick , especially with 4,4 ad 4.5 Rb's and QB's . He has to be able to brush block and still pull and lead on both runs and screens . Also they have to be able to get downfield to block LB's
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is anyone considering that Matt Luke hired Ex Mich and Az State head Coach Rodriguez as their OC and ex Colorado HC MacIntyre as their DC??????

You would think their past coaches experience will help bunches.  That is allot of coaching experience on the side line.  If HC Luke can just manage this staff and stay out of the way then they should be well Coached.

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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2019, 08:56:39 pm »

is anyone considering that Matt Luke hired Ex Mich and Az State head Coach Rodriguez as their OC and ex Colorado HC MacIntyre as their DC??????

You would think their past coaches experience will help bunches.  That is allot of coaching experience on the side line.  If HC Luke can just manage this staff and stay out of the way then they should be well Coached.




Does it really work when a head coach really isn't a head coach? 

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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2019, 09:05:39 pm »

is anyone considering that Matt Luke hired Ex Mich and Az State head Coach Rodriguez as their OC and ex Colorado HC MacIntyre as their DC??????

You would think their past coaches experience will help bunches.  That is allot of coaching experience on the side line.  If HC Luke can just manage this staff and stay out of the way then they should be well Coached.



Rodriguez was fired by both Michigan and Arizona State. That's not exactly anything to write home about.
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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2019, 09:24:51 pm »

Rodriguez was fired by both Michigan and Arizona State. That's not exactly anything to write home about.

Most HC’s end up fired, so just saying fired isn’t the tell all. 

Colorado’s Ex coach had the blessing of a great DC who left him and he went down hill of memory serves me right. 

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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2019, 09:40:17 pm »

Rodriguez was fired by both Michigan and Arizona State. That's not exactly anything to write home about.

People post this sort of obtuse reasoning every time a former HC becomes a coordinator.

The reality is Rich Rod was good enough as a OC to be hired as a HC and he had great success at West Virginia, just because he failed and was fired as a HC has no bearing on the fact he was a good OC. Kiffin was fired at USC but went back to being a OC and won a NC.

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is anyone considering that Matt Luke hired Ex Mich and Az State head Coach Rodriguez as their OC and ex Colorado HC MacIntyre as their DC??????

You would think their past coaches experience will help bunches.  That is allot of coaching experience on the side line.  If HC Luke can just manage this staff and stay out of the way then they should be well Coached.

We had that a few years ago with Enos and Rhoads. Coaching can only go so far.

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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2019, 10:00:15 pm »


Does it really work when a head coach really isn't a head coach?
Rarely, but the pay is good.


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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2019, 08:36:23 am »

People post this sort of obtuse reasoning every time a former HC becomes a coordinator.

The reality is Rich Rod was good enough as a OC to be hired as a HC and he had great success at West Virginia, just because he failed and was fired as a HC has no bearing on the fact he was a good OC. Kiffin was fired at USC but went back to being a OC and won a NC.

Although Rodriguez did have some success at WV, he did not have a good relationship with the WVU powers that be.
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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2019, 09:55:42 am »

Although Rodriguez did have some success at WV, he did not have a good relationship with the WVU powers that be.

Suuuurrreee.  Because that is soooo relevant guv

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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2019, 10:21:11 am »

They have two dual-threats and a Rutgers transfer battling it out for the starting QB job, and an FCS all-american TE. Should be a good opportunity for our LBs to get some solid reps.

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-preview-portland-state-big-sky-bzbz


This is a good Portland State teaser. Those offensive guys, especially the quarterbacks (and most likely we'll see more than one), will give us something to put on film and study. Plus, 9 starters back. Yeah, this could be a good opening band for Ole Miss.
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Re: Ole Miss—Media Days stuff and early mini-scouting report
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2019, 11:24:06 am »

Although Rodriguez did have some success at WV, he did not have a good relationship with the WVU powers that be.

De Jesus Christo Guv, just stop.
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