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PG's rankings remove any signee who was drafted and signed, so only players included are ones who came to campus

Average National Recruiting Rank (2015-2018) (rankings for each year)
3. Vanderbilt (1, 9, 1, 1) (CWS)
8. Florida (6, 10, 2, 13) (lost in regional)
10. South Carolina (5, 8, 5, 22) (no NCAAT)
14. Mississippi St (2, 20, 21, 12) (CWS)
17. Arkansas (43, 12, 3, 9) (CWS)
18. Ole Miss (28, 2, 19, 24) (lost in super regional)
18. Kentucky (30, 26, 6, 11) (no NCAAT)
18. Tennessee (45, 5, 15, 4) (lost in regional)
22. Texas A&M (17, 37, 24, 8) (lost in regional)
23. LSU (68, 7, 16, 2) (lost in super regional)
25. Auburn (44, 27, 8, 21) (CWS)
33. Georgia (22, 3, 41, 64) (lost in regional)
40. Missouri (57, 29, 42, 31) (no NCAAT)
42. Alabama (11, 50, 85, 23) (no NCAAT)


Since 2015 classes lose the better players to drafts and transfers, what if we just do 2016-2018

Average National Recruiting Rank (2016-2018) (rankings for each year)
4. Vanderbilt (9, 1, 1) (CWS)
8. Arkansas (12, 3, 9) (CWS)
8. Florida (10, 2, 13) (lost in regional)
8. LSU (7, 16, 2) (lost in regional)
8. Tennessee (5, 15, 4) (lost in regional)
12. South Carolina (8, 5, 22) (no NCAAT)
14. Kentucky (26, 6, 11) (no NCAAT)
15. Ole Miss (2, 19, 24) (lost in super regional)
18. Mississippi St (20, 21, 12) (CWS)
19. Auburn (27, 8, 21) (CWS)
23. Texas A&M (37, 24, 8) (lost in regional)
34. Missouri (29, 42, 31) (no NCAAT)
36. Georgia (3, 41, 64) (lost in regional)
53. Alabama (50, 85, 23) (no NCAAT)

Vandy is Bama of baseball recruiting
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2019, 09:40:26 pm »

How does Vandy recruit so well?
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 10:24:38 pm »

How does Vandy recruit so well?

They can give free rides.  We only have 11.7 scholarships to give

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2019, 10:29:57 pm »

Private school.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2019, 10:35:33 pm »

They can give free rides.  We only have 11.7 scholarships to give

I really don't believe that's much of an advantage. Otherwise, the Baylors and Dukes of the NCAA would also be elite. Plus, Vandy was terrible before  Corbin got there.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2019, 11:13:41 pm »

They can give free rides.  We only have 11.7 scholarships to give

So what about them being a private school allows them to offer free rides... That just seems like an unfair advantage.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2019, 11:37:44 pm »

I really don't believe that's much of an advantage. Otherwise, the Baylors and Dukes of the NCAA would also be elite. Plus, Vandy was terrible before  Corbin got there.

It’s a huge advantage. Kendall Rogers has mentioned it many times. Vandy meets 100% of a students financial need.  Duke and Baylor don’t offer that. Stanford has a similar program as do most Ivy League schools. TCU has a lesser version of it.  DBU offers nice academic packages for slightly above average students.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2019, 06:51:45 am »

LSU at 68 in 2015 might be the most shocking number on the list.  While our 2015 class was not highly ranked and their first year on campus should no longer be mentioned, here is who all came from that class:

Isaiah Campbell - Ranked Top 500 - 2nd round pick in 2019
Eric Cole - Ranked Top 500 - 4th round pick in 2018
Grant Koch - Ranked Top 500 - 5th round pick in 2018
Blaine Knight - Ranked Top 1000 - 3rd round pick in 2018
Kevin Kopps - Ranked Top 1000 - Yet to be drafted, but has been a top reliever in 2017 and 2019
Barrett Loseke - Ranked Top 1000 - 17th round pick in 2018
Jake Reindl - Ranked Top 1000 - 17th round pick in 2018
Cody Scroggins - Ranked Top 1000 - 9th round pick in 2019
Kacey Murphy - Ranked as a Follow - 11th round pick in 2018

It will go down as one of the best development jobs especially on the mound.  A bunch of guys who weren't really top 10 round talents coming to campus saw 5 players picked in the top 10 rounds, one picked first in the 11th round and two guys picked in the 17th rounds.  I also think we see Kopps get drafted in 2020 as he has some good stuff as well.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2019, 07:25:51 am »

LSU at 68 in 2015 might be the most shocking number on the list.  While our 2015 class was not highly ranked and their first year on campus should no longer be mentioned, here is who all came from that class:

Isaiah Campbell - Ranked Top 500 - 2nd round pick in 2019
Eric Cole - Ranked Top 500 - 4th round pick in 2018
Grant Koch - Ranked Top 500 - 5th round pick in 2018
Blaine Knight - Ranked Top 1000 - 3rd round pick in 2018
Kevin Kopps - Ranked Top 1000 - Yet to be drafted, but has been a top reliever in 2017 and 2019
Barrett Loseke - Ranked Top 1000 - 17th round pick in 2018
Jake Reindl - Ranked Top 1000 - 17th round pick in 2018
Cody Scroggins - Ranked Top 1000 - 9th round pick in 2019
Kacey Murphy - Ranked as a Follow - 11th round pick in 2018

It will go down as one of the best development jobs especially on the mound.  A bunch of guys who weren't really top 10 round talents coming to campus saw 5 players picked in the top 10 rounds, one picked first in the 11th round and two guys picked in the 17th rounds.  I also think we see Kopps get drafted in 2020 as he has some good stuff as well.

That’s one heck of a testament to DVH and the staff. Should be a huge recruiting tool, and I have a feeling it has and will be highlighted with future recruits.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2019, 08:00:19 am »

This thread is why this forum is the best anywhere. I learn something everyday about the baseball hogs.

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2019, 08:03:52 am »

That’s one heck of a testament to DVH and the staff. Should be a huge recruiting tool, and I have a feeling it has and will be highlighted with future recruits.
Yes, one heck of a statement. DVH and staff can develop players and over achieve with the players he has. This year was a good example of that. I don't know how any HS player that has talent enough for college, would not know who DVH is. I look for things to just keep getting better from here.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2019, 08:11:14 am »

Vandy may be different than other private schools.  From what I have gathered, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, Vandy's endowment bascially lets them give all students scholarships based on need.  Basically if you get admitted to Vandy you get the scholarship.  Since it's a benefit given to all students athletes can receive it too and it does not count against their scholarship limit.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2019, 08:13:55 am »

I think perfect game’s rankings are predicated on what happens at their showcase events. If a kid doesn’t go them he won’t get a high ranking so it can be misleading
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2019, 08:16:24 am »

Vandy may be different than other private schools.  From what I have gathered, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, Vandy's endowment bascially lets them give all students scholarships based on need.  Basically if you get admitted to Vandy you get the scholarship.  Since it's a benefit given to all students athletes can receive it too and it does not count against their scholarship limit.
Nailed it. 100% of need is covered.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2019, 08:20:31 am »

I know of several people whose kid has applied at Vanderbilt.   There is a old saying about the cost of tuition.

Vandy's reply is always, "  Don't worry about the tuition costs, Worry about getting accepted. "   As stated above Vanderbilt has a very lucrative endowment fund that will cover the cost of tuition ( based on financial need ) if the student is accepted based on academics.   Now,  how the sports department manipulates this process is a different subject.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2019, 08:25:54 am »

Vandy may be different than other private schools.  From what I have gathered, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, Vandy's endowment bascially lets them give all students scholarships based on need.  Basically if you get admitted to Vandy you get the scholarship.  Since it's a benefit given to all students athletes can receive it too and it does not count against their scholarship limit.

Nailed it. 100% of need is covered.

I may be wrong, but I don't think you can do that in Football and Basketball. Why is Baseball any different, looking from a NCAA viewpoint?
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2019, 08:28:10 am »

I think perfect game’s rankings are predicated on what happens at their showcase events. If a kid doesn’t go them he won’t get a high ranking so it can be misleading
That is also a factor.  Many of the 2015 signees didn't participate in many PG events especially later in their high school careers.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2019, 08:28:51 am »

I may be wrong, but I don't think you can do that in Football and Basketball. Why is Baseball any different, looking from a NCAA viewpoint?
It all comes down to scholarships.  Football and basketball have the scholarship allotment so that all players are on full rides while baseball has to split up 11.7 among 27 players.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2019, 10:28:51 am »

I may be wrong, but I don't think you can do that in Football and Basketball. Why is Baseball any different, looking from a NCAA viewpoint?

I think in baseball it matters because the scholarship limit is so low.  Say you have what 11.7 scholarships, but we all know the rosters are about 30. They can give all 30 the need based. 

The only question I would have for FB is say the scholly limit is 85 and the roster limit with WO's is 105 could those additional 20 kids get the need based?  It's more inconsequential either way in FB and BB because how many beyond the top 85 play.  A select few walk ons here and there.  In baseball you need well beyond your scholarship limit to compete and thus is does help them sign more top talent since they all get full rides.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2019, 12:27:15 pm »

VU alum and Razorback fan since birth here with some background on VU financial aid - I volunteer as a VU admissions interviewer.  Here's some info on VU's financial aid, fwiw.

In 2008, Vanderbilt created the "Opportunity Vanderbilt" (OV) program.  Admission decisions were always need-blind, and VU always created financial aid packages for students, but in 2008 the decision was made to remove loans as part of the package.  Since then, a student's demonstrated need is met with grants, not loans.  "Demonstrated Need" is based on the standard "Free Application For Federal Student Aid" (FAFSA) form.  "Need" is the difference between the cost of a year of school (which includes tuition, room & board, books, travel, & incidentals) and the "expected family contribution" generated by the FAFSA form.

This program applies to all admitted students.  The average aid package per student in the 2017-18 school year was over $51k.  65% of all students receive OV-based financial aid.

As good as OV is, not all families can meet their expected contribution out of income or savings.  Dansby Swanson, the #1 pick in the 2015 draft, currently with the Braves, famously still had to take out student loans to attend VU, even with a partial baseball scholarship and Opportunity Vanderbilt.

Several other universities have similar programs, but they're still relatively rare even among private schools.  VU's is considered the best financial aid program in higher education by the Princeton Review, among others.

Admission to Vanderbilt has become ultra-competitive since OV was created.  Less than 10% of all applicants are accepted.  Traditionally VU has had the reputation as a prestigious school for rich southern kids.  That's changing.  The student body is now more geographically and financially diverse.

OV has certainly benefitted the baseball program, but it's not the only factor in its success. VU baseball under Corbin was winning SEC championships and consistently making NCAA appearances before OV.  But it's no doubt helped.

IMO, a significant factor has been that kids that really just want to play baseball can easily skip college, something that usually isn't practical in football or basketball.  That leaves the college baseball pool with either kids the pros don't want, or kids that really value the education.  Corbin early on figured out how to attract that second group to VU.  OV then enlarged that pool.  Once he started winning, and putting out players like David Price and Pedro Alvarez (pre-OV), the pool got even larger.

Baseball talent is no doubt a factor in admissions, but all potential student-athletes must project (based on high school records and test scores) to graduate, and those admitted are good students - the baseball team has a 988 APR score.  For comparison, UA's is 962.  Part of that performance is Corbin - he benched Austin Martin (All-American, over .400 BA) for 4 games this year for missing a class.

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2019, 12:31:19 pm »

Thanks for the peek behind the curtain, VU ...

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2019, 12:40:03 pm »

VU alum and Razorback fan since birth here with some background on VU financial aid - I volunteer as a VU admissions interviewer.  Here's some info on VU's financial aid, fwiw.

In 2008, Vanderbilt created the "Opportunity Vanderbilt" (OV) program.  Admission decisions were always need-blind, and VU always created financial aid packages for students, but in 2008 the decision was made to remove loans as part of the package.  Since then, a student's demonstrated need is met with grants, not loans.  "Demonstrated Need" is based on the standard "Free Application For Federal Student Aid" (FAFSA) form.  "Need" is the difference between the cost of a year of school (which includes tuition, room & board, books, travel, & incidentals) and the "expected family contribution" generated by the FAFSA form.

This program applies to all admitted students.  The average aid package per student in the 2017-18 school year was over $51k.  65% of all students receive OV-based financial aid.

As good as OV is, not all families can meet their expected contribution out of income or savings.  Dansby Swanson, the #1 pick in the 2015 draft, currently with the Braves, famously still had to take out student loans to attend VU, even with a partial baseball scholarship and Opportunity Vanderbilt.

Several other universities have similar programs, but they're still relatively rare even among private schools.  VU's is considered the best financial aid program in higher education by the Princeton Review, among others.

Admission to Vanderbilt has become ultra-competitive since OV was created.  Less than 10% of all applicants are accepted.  Traditionally VU has had the reputation as a prestigious school for rich southern kids.  That's changing.  The student body is now more geographically and financially diverse.

OV has certainly benefitted the baseball program, but it's not the only factor in its success. VU baseball under Corbin was winning SEC championships and consistently making NCAA appearances before OV.  But it's no doubt helped.

IMO, a significant factor has been that kids that really just want to play baseball can easily skip college, something that usually isn't practical in football or basketball.  That leaves the college baseball pool with either kids the pros don't want, or kids that really value the education.  Corbin early on figured out how to attract that second group to VU.  OV then enlarged that pool.  Once he started winning, and putting out players like David Price and Pedro Alvarez (pre-OV), the pool got even larger.

Baseball talent is no doubt a factor in admissions, but all potential student-athletes must project (based on high school records and test scores) to graduate, and those admitted are good students - the baseball team has a 988 APR score.  For comparison, UA's is 962.  Part of that performance is Corbin - he benched Austin Martin (All-American, over .400 BA) for 4 games this year for missing a class.
Thank you for posting this.  In regards to the 10% acceptance rate, I would assume that elite athletes stand a better chance of being accepted compared to someone who might just attend school there for the awesome education.

Vanderbilt does have the advantage of allowing baseball players the Vanderbilt education while playing at a school who is committed to baseball, but I would think the players who are recruited by Tim Corbin and staff stand a much better than 10% chance of being accepted.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2019, 01:36:34 pm »

VU alum and Razorback fan since birth here with some background on VU financial aid - I volunteer as a VU admissions interviewer.  Here's some info on VU's financial aid, fwiw.

In 2008, Vanderbilt created the "Opportunity Vanderbilt" (OV) program.  Admission decisions were always need-blind, and VU always created financial aid packages for students, but in 2008 the decision was made to remove loans as part of the package.  Since then, a student's demonstrated need is met with grants, not loans.  "Demonstrated Need" is based on the standard "Free Application For Federal Student Aid" (FAFSA) form.  "Need" is the difference between the cost of a year of school (which includes tuition, room & board, books, travel, & incidentals) and the "expected family contribution" generated by the FAFSA form.

This program applies to all admitted students.  The average aid package per student in the 2017-18 school year was over $51k.  65% of all students receive OV-based financial aid.

As good as OV is, not all families can meet their expected contribution out of income or savings.  Dansby Swanson, the #1 pick in the 2015 draft, currently with the Braves, famously still had to take out student loans to attend VU, even with a partial baseball scholarship and Opportunity Vanderbilt.

Several other universities have similar programs, but they're still relatively rare even among private schools.  VU's is considered the best financial aid program in higher education by the Princeton Review, among others.

Admission to Vanderbilt has become ultra-competitive since OV was created.  Less than 10% of all applicants are accepted.  Traditionally VU has had the reputation as a prestigious school for rich southern kids.  That's changing.  The student body is now more geographically and financially diverse.

OV has certainly benefitted the baseball program, but it's not the only factor in its success. VU baseball under Corbin was winning SEC championships and consistently making NCAA appearances before OV.  But it's no doubt helped.

IMO, a significant factor has been that kids that really just want to play baseball can easily skip college, something that usually isn't practical in football or basketball.  That leaves the college baseball pool with either kids the pros don't want, or kids that really value the education.  Corbin early on figured out how to attract that second group to VU.  OV then enlarged that pool.  Once he started winning, and putting out players like David Price and Pedro Alvarez (pre-OV), the pool got even larger.

Baseball talent is no doubt a factor in admissions, but all potential student-athletes must project (based on high school records and test scores) to graduate, and those admitted are good students - the baseball team has a 988 APR score.  For comparison, UA's is 962.  Part of that performance is Corbin - he benched Austin Martin (All-American, over .400 BA) for 4 games this year for missing a class.

Thanks for sharing. I agree that Corbin has done a great job, and the additional aid has certainly bumped that performance to another level. Vandy was very good under Corbin from 2003-10, but became elite from 2011 on once recruiting went to the next level. The unique aid package is big.

Speaking of aid, can you guys not raise some money to ship that whistling idiot(s) to Siberia?  The rest of the SEC would appreciate it!

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2019, 04:42:06 pm »

Thank you for posting this.  In regards to the 10% acceptance rate, I would assume that elite athletes stand a better chance of being accepted compared to someone who might just attend school there for the awesome education.

Vanderbilt does have the advantage of allowing baseball players the Vanderbilt education while playing at a school who is committed to baseball, but I would think the players who are recruited by Tim Corbin and staff stand a much better than 10% chance of being accepted.

I think you're absolutely right.  That's what I was trying to communicate with my statement that "Baseball talent is no doubt a factor in admissions".  I think it's quite likely that if Corbin wants a kid, and he projects to graduate, he gets in.  That's true for all scholarship sports at VU, btw.  VU has a pretty good idea how a kid's academic track record translates into likelihood of graduating.  As long as a kid meets that standard, a coach can get him in.  So, no, recruited athletes don't also have to compete directly with non-athletes academically for admission.

I bet Corbin's gotten pretty good at looking at high school transcripts and test scores and predicting who he should be spending time on recruiting.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2019, 04:58:01 pm »

The kind of student that wants to go to Vandy is most likely not going to turn down the education for professional baseball. There’s a reason they like Vandy. I would assume Vandy loses very few to the draft.
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2019, 05:05:26 pm »

I think you're absolutely right.  That's what I was trying to communicate with my statement that "Baseball talent is no doubt a factor in admissions".  I think it's quite likely that if Corbin wants a kid, and he projects to graduate, he gets in.  That's true for all scholarship sports at VU, btw.  VU has a pretty good idea how a kid's academic track record translates into likelihood of graduating.  As long as a kid meets that standard, a coach can get him in.  So, no, recruited athletes don't also have to compete directly with non-athletes academically for admission.

I bet Corbin's gotten pretty good at looking at high school transcripts and test scores and predicting who he should be spending time on recruiting.



This is good stuff, thanks for posting. I have always admired the kids from around here that had the opportunity to go to Vanderbilt, you just can't blame a kid for accepting an offer to an educational experience like that. If we lose out on a recruit to any other SEC school, it is disappointing, but to them it's just tip your hat and say well done.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2019, 05:11:39 pm »

Thanks for sharing. I agree that Corbin has done a great job, and the additional aid has certainly bumped that performance to another level. Vandy was very good under Corbin from 2003-10, but became elite from 2011 on once recruiting went to the next level. The unique aid package is big.

Speaking of aid, can you guys not raise some money to ship that whistling idiot(s) to Siberia?  The rest of the SEC would appreciate it!

Here's another article that covers the OV impact on baseball:  https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/5/30/18645077/opportunity-vanderbilt-an-explainer

One wrinkle that I didn't mention - if a kid is on an athletic scholarship, then any OV aid he receives gets counted.  Say he gets 1/2 a scholarship, and OV grants cover 1/4 of the cost - then for NCAA terms he's on 3/4 of a scholarship.  So it's maybe not quite the advantage that a lot of people make it out to be.

Re: the whistler - while I admit that he (actually, they, there's 2 of them) has supporters in the VU fan base, I think that the predominant opinion is that it's all about the attention for them and we wish he'd stop.  They've been asked to stop by parents of the players, and refused.  I think that tells you a lot.

Although if any MSU fans complain to me about them, I tell them that we'll get rid of the whistlers (who are SEC legal) when they get rid of cowbells (which aren't).

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2019, 05:29:22 pm »

The kind of student that wants to go to Vandy is most likely not going to turn down the education for professional baseball. There’s a reason they like Vandy. I would assume Vandy loses very few to the draft.

Corbin has to do the best he can to filter out those kids likely to go.  He still gets surprises - this year he thought he'd get Anthony Volpe (drafted 30th overall by the NYY) to school.  But Volpe took the $2.7m.  Maybe if anybody else had picked him we'd be ok, but it's tough for a New Jersey kid to turn down the Yankees.

But in general he could probably stand to lose a few more than he does - every year there seems to be a roster crunch, and some very good players either get cut from the roster, or don't see much if any playing time.  VU had a couple of pitchers drafted that totaled 16 innings between them this year.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2019, 06:17:42 pm »

Duke, Vandy, Stanford can get basically any kid they want athletically. A 19 on the ACT will suffice.

Even the Ivy League athletes admission standards are far lower, although it is a four-tiered system there. I'm over simplifying but they can take a couple kids a year with ~23-25 ACT, the bulk of class from tier 2 and 3 which is 26-28 / 29-31, and only a few kids have to be tier 4 which would be people who could potentially be considered (though still a longshot) based on academic merits alone ACT 32+.

There is decent info on the financial aid piece above; I have explained it extensively in the past in a baseball specific context, and how it could potentially be an advantage - though it has nothing to do with being private and no they cannot give anyone they want a full ride because of it.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2019, 06:20:41 pm »

One wrinkle that I didn't mention - if a kid is on an athletic scholarship, then any OV aid he receives gets counted.  Say he gets 1/2 a scholarship, and OV grants cover 1/4 of the cost - then for NCAA terms he's on 3/4 of a scholarship.  So it's maybe not quite the advantage that a lot of people make it out to be.

This is not true - I believe the article is wrong. This rule applies only to football and basketball. The lottery scholarship in Arkansas, for example, does not count towards our baseball total. This is how we can help increase certain players from 0.25 to 0.5 scholarships etc. Similarly, academic scholarships do not count.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2019, 09:18:36 pm »

Here's another article that covers the OV impact on baseball:  https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/5/30/18645077/opportunity-vanderbilt-an-explainer

One wrinkle that I didn't mention - if a kid is on an athletic scholarship, then any OV aid he receives gets counted.  Say he gets 1/2 a scholarship, and OV grants cover 1/4 of the cost - then for NCAA terms he's on 3/4 of a scholarship.  So it's maybe not quite the advantage that a lot of people make it out to be.

Re: the whistler - while I admit that he (actually, they, there's 2 of them) has supporters in the VU fan base, I think that the predominant opinion is that it's all about the attention for them and we wish he'd stop.  They've been asked to stop by parents of the players, and refused.  I think that tells you a lot.

Although if any MSU fans complain to me about them, I tell them that we'll get rid of the whistlers (who are SEC legal) when they get rid of cowbells (which aren't).

That article is grossly inaccurate.  Any scholarship that is a available to all students doesn’t apply. For example if a school says if you get a 23 ACT we will give you 5K doesn’t apply. That includes lottery scholarships and out of state waivers. More importantly if a student meets any of the three criteria of 3.5 GPA, top 10% of class or 106 total ACT (26.5) none of his/her academic aid counts against the school. 

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2019, 10:35:33 pm »

This thread is why this forum is the best anywhere. I learn something everyday about the baseball hogs.

Some excellent baseball minds post here. That with the community aspect of the forum makes it a great place to talk shop.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2019, 11:41:28 pm »

That article is grossly inaccurate.  Any scholarship that is a available to all students doesn’t apply. For example if a school says if you get a 23 ACT we will give you 5K doesn’t apply. That includes lottery scholarships and out of state waivers. More importantly if a student meets any of the three criteria of 3.5 GPA, top 10% of class or 106 total ACT (26.5) none of his/her academic aid counts against the school.

Good, I was hoping it was wrong - it certainly wouldn't seem fair to withhold aid from someone because they had a partial baseball scholarship, when that aid is available to all other students. 

I went looking for something on the internet that proved the article wrong and couldn't find anything - do you have a source?  I'd like to send it to the author.

And, btw - good luck to the Hogs - hope to see you in an all-SEC final, and let the chips fall.

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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2019, 11:51:40 pm »

Duke, Vandy, Stanford can get basically any kid they want athletically. A 19 on the ACT will suffice.


Can, and will, are two different things.  Stanford is notorious for having high academic standards for scholarship athletes.  It's not unusual at all for VU to get a recruit that the Stanford coaches wanted but couldn't get admitted.  VU is more flexible, but very protective of the athletic graduation rate and won't admit someone the admissions office doesn't think can make it through.  Duke seems to be more flexible still, especially in basketball.

And yes, even schools without athletic scholarships (the Ivies, Div-III, even the military academies) give plenty of academic admissions leeway to kids with athletic talent that their coaches want in.

They say they do for other "special talents" as well.  When we toured Middleberry with our youngest, the admissions dean told us that if the school band needed a tuba player, he'd search the applicants for one.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2019, 10:28:05 am »

Good, I was hoping it was wrong - it certainly wouldn't seem fair to withhold aid from someone because they had a partial baseball scholarship, when that aid is available to all other students. 

I went looking for something on the internet that proved the article wrong and couldn't find anything - do you have a source?  I'd like to send it to the author.

And, btw - good luck to the Hogs - hope to see you in an all-SEC final, and let the chips fall.

It is acutally 105 sum score not 106 as I previously stated.

http://www.diycollegerankings.com/can-college-athletes-receive-athletic-academic-scholarships/6267/
https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=25624#result
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2019, 11:43:29 pm »

I know of several people whose kid has applied at Vanderbilt.   There is a old saying about the cost of tuition.

Vandy's reply is always, "  Don't worry about the tuition costs, Worry about getting accepted. "   As stated above Vanderbilt has a very lucrative endowment fund that will cover the cost of tuition ( based on financial need ) if the student is accepted based on academics.   Now,  how the sports department manipulates this process is a different subject.
If tuition is covered, why have the arbitrary amount listed for tuition? Basically, you qualify for an academic scholarship, or you’re not accepted.
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Re: Recruiting rankings by Perfrct Game. What happened in 2015?
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2019, 11:48:13 pm »

If tuition is covered, why have the arbitrary amount listed for tuition? Basically, you qualify for an academic scholarship, or you’re not accepted.

A lot of federal and probably state funds still get used. Vandy is still going to pay as little as possible.
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