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007 License To Squeal:
From Rule 17, Section 2 (“Extraordinarily unfair acts”), Article 3 of the NFL rule book:

The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred.

TexHog188:
Goodell doesn't have the backbone to do something that bold.

The Kig:

--- Quote from: TexHog188 on January 21, 2019, 09:41:34 am ---Goodell doesn't have the backbone to do something that bold.

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This... but I would hazard to say that no NFL Commish wants to be the first to actually pull the trigger on a re-do.

007 License To Squeal:

--- Quote from: TexHog188 on January 21, 2019, 09:41:34 am ---Goodell doesn't have the backbone to do something that bold.

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Now, if Trump was the Commissioner,..................LOL

hoggusamoungus:

--- Quote from: 007 License To Squeal on January 21, 2019, 09:45:39 am ---Now, if Trump was the Commissioner,..................LOL

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The league would be in bankruptcy?

tusked:

--- Quote from: hoggusamoungus on January 21, 2019, 09:50:53 am ---The league would be in bankruptcy?

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Goodell is the son of a politician. He's gonna suck that paycheck as long as he can.

Atlhogfan1:
I'm good with the officials not bailing out the Saints for poor clock management, play calls and passes. 

Pigsknuckles:

--- Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on January 21, 2019, 10:16:51 am ---I'm good with the officials not bailing out the Saints for poor clock management, play calls and passes. 

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This is the crux of the biscuit Regardless of the "non call", that game was lost due to giving LA time to come back and kick the tying FG. You run the ball, run down the clock, and run LA out of time outs. Instead, NO gave them almost 1:45 to get into FG position.

oldhawg:

--- Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on January 21, 2019, 10:16:51 am ---I'm good with the officials not bailing out the Saints for poor clock management, play calls and passes. 

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Common coaching mistakes that may influence the outcome of a game, but are within the rules.  Ram's player flagrantly violated the rules and got away with with it.  Two different, unrelated situations

Gonzo:

--- Quote from: 007 License To Squeal on January 21, 2019, 09:45:39 am ---Now, if Trump was the Commissioner,..................LOL

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--- Quote from: hoggusamoungus on January 21, 2019, 09:50:53 am ---The league would be in bankruptcy?

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Yeah, we've already seen him try his hand at pro football



Go Hogs!

007 License To Squeal:

--- Quote from: oldhawg on January 21, 2019, 10:27:51 am ---Common coaching mistakes that may influence the outcome of a game, but are within the rules.  Ram's player flagrantly violated the rules and got away with with it.  Two different, unrelated situations

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Correct.  It is unbelievable that some people can seem to justify that no-call....

LAGNAF:

--- Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on January 21, 2019, 10:16:51 am ---I'm good with the officials not bailing out the Saints for poor clock management, play calls and passes. 

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What about the no call on the face mask on Goff? That changes the game as well. Bad calls are an unfortunate part of all sports, they go both ways.

RedyorNot:
The Rams were the least appealing of the four going in, they should reverse the game based on that alone.

WizardofhOgZ:

--- Quote from: 007 License To Squeal on January 21, 2019, 09:27:31 am ---From Rule 17, Section 2 (“Extraordinarily unfair acts”), Article 3 of the NFL rule book:

The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred.

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Not sure how long that rule has been on the books.  But it has never been invoked before, and I doubt that it ever will be short of some kind of major point-shaving scandal being uncovered in real time (i.e, before the rest of the playoff games have been played and Championships awarded). 

It was a bad call; a terrible no-call, to be specific.  But it's hardly the first time a major game has been lost ("significantly affected") by an obviously incorrect call very late in the game. 

It wasn't for the Super Bowl, obviously, but the Preston Watts awarding to Tennessee of a fumble (that an Arkansas player stood up with the ball and handed it to the official) in the Liberty Bowl several years ago is one of many, many examples. 

I hate that those kind of bad calls are made.  And I'm glad that these days, instant replay catches MOST of them.  But you're never going to get a game played over, unless someone's taking payments and it's exposed.  Even then - just hard to do.

oldhawg:
One article I read said that the referee thought the ball was tipped, so he did not call pass interference.  If so, should that be a reviewable call?

theFlyingHog:

--- Quote from: oldhawg on January 21, 2019, 11:29:40 am ---One article I read said that the referee thought the ball was tipped, so he did not call pass interference.  If so, should that be a reviewable call?

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That’s not the referee’s call to make, not that far down field. One of the other guys makes that PI call

oldman1015:
Saints got hosed on that call but if they score more than 3 points in 4 possessions a bad call can’t beat them. They should have put the game away.

jgphillips3:
That was a terrible call for sure.  It didn’t end the game though.  The NFL’s absurd OT policy of not insuring that each team get at least one possession killed the Chiefs. 

Dr. Starcs:
The chiefs not scoring a single point in the first half killed the chiefs.

1highhog:

--- Quote from: 007 License To Squeal on January 21, 2019, 09:45:39 am ---Now, if Trump was the Commissioner,..................LOL

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Trump would somehow want to build a wall between the teams of the NFC and the AFC.

On another note, everytime I see and old episode of Seinfeld with Larry David playing George  Steinbrenner of the New York Yankees, I always think of how funny it'd be of them doing Trump on there.

247Hog:
Good grief. Wanna reschedule a game because of a non-call. Say he did that and the Saints won the second time. Then get spanked by the Pats. They would whine they had to play an extra game and was out of gas.

It was a missed PI call. I'm sure the Rams had some missed too that could have lead to points.

Leadbelly:

--- Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on January 21, 2019, 10:16:51 am ---I'm good with the officials not bailing out the Saints for poor clock management, play calls and passes.

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😳whaaaat? Not a saints fan but that statement  is probably equal in quality to the call, uh I mean, no call yesterday.

oldhawg:

--- Quote from: WizardofhOgZ on January 21, 2019, 11:23:13 am ---

It wasn't for the Super Bowl, obviously, but the Preston Watts awarding to Tennessee of a fumble (that an Arkansas player stood up with the ball and handed it to the official) in the Liberty Bowl several years ago is one of many, many examples. 


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And that's the point.  One call in a bowl game that you remember forty or fifty years later, just as Saint's fans will remember the call (non-call) in this game for a lifetime. 

Suggesting replaying the game or part of it is ridiculous, but forgetting about it will be impossible for some.

GoHogs1091:

--- Quote from: 007 License To Squeal on January 21, 2019, 09:45:39 am ---Now, if Trump was the Commissioner,..................LOL

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--- Quote from: hoggusamoungus on January 21, 2019, 09:50:53 am ---The league would be in bankruptcy?

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Probably.

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Steaks
Trump University
Trump Taj Mahal Casino

All failures ran by a failure.

Con el Cerdos:

--- Quote from: The Kig on January 21, 2019, 09:44:55 am ---This... but I would hazard to say that no NFL Commish wants to be the first to actually pull the trigger on a re-do.

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Why?

Dr. Starcs:
Goodell’s such a sjw I’m surprised he didn’t just declare everyone a winner and allow the first 3-team super bowl ever.

DeltaBoy:
The NO Coach got a call from the NFL saying we screwed up .

Report s have been made over half the Crew were from California!

Dr. Starcs:
And yet the rams were 0-8 with that crew until yesterday. Payton cost them as much as the refs. And scoring 6 points the first two times in the red zone. And throwing the interception in overtime. And...

HognitiveDissonance:

--- Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on January 21, 2019, 10:16:51 am ---I'm good with the officials not bailing out the Saints for poor clock management, play calls and passes.

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Agreed.
The 'bad call' was one play in the course of a full game.
It would be very stupid for a commish to get involved in something like that.
The Saints had their own blunders to consider:
1)Letting the Rams drive down in position to kick a tying FG?
2)Winning the coin toss, but then throwing a dying duck in the air for the Rams to intercept, which meant all the Rams needed was a FG to win
3)Allowing the Rams to drive into position for a winning FG.

Bad calls can be game-changers, yes, but it's just one play in a game. It stinks for the Saints but it's part of the game. It's a 60-minute game.

Funny thing is, when I saw the play in real time it didn't look that bad. It was a bang-bang play. When you slow-mo it, then it looks worse.

Hogwild:

--- Quote from: Dr. Starcs on January 21, 2019, 08:40:47 pm ---And yet the rams were 0-8 with that crew until yesterday. Payton cost them as much as the refs. And scoring 6 points the first two times in the red zone. And throwing the interception in overtime. And...

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Rams were 0-8 with the head ref, it was a mixed crew.

greenEGnHAWGS:

--- Quote from: Pigsknuckles on January 21, 2019, 10:23:46 am ---This is the crux of the biscuit Regardless of the "non call", that game was lost due to giving LA time to come back and kick the tying FG. You run the ball, run down the clock, and run LA out of time outs. Instead, NO gave them almost 1:45 to get into FG position.

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I hate the Saints but this is BS. If that call was made, the Saints could’ve run the clock down to 4 seconds and kicked the FG...plus Sean Payton would’ve been congratulated for being so bold in his play calling and lauded for his trust in his QB.

Thr Saints did what was needed to do to win the game.

TexHog188:

--- Quote from: Pigsknuckles on January 21, 2019, 10:23:46 am ---This is the crux of the biscuit Regardless of the "non call", that game was lost due to giving LA time to come back and kick the tying FG. You run the ball, run down the clock, and run LA out of time outs. Instead, NO gave them almost 1:45 to get into FG position.

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After the NO CALL it was forth down. Should have been 1st and goal on the 5. Then you run the clock down.

greenEGnHAWGS:

--- Quote from: 007 License To Squeal on January 21, 2019, 09:27:31 am ---From Rule 17, Section 2 (“Extraordinarily unfair acts”), Article 3 of the NFL rule book:

The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred.

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This will never happen. At least I HOPE it never happens as it would undoubtedly create a *storm from EVERY game that felt the game was decided by the refs. How many bad calls are there in a game? 2? 3? How many stall a drive for a team down 7 points with 4 mins left? Every coach will feel the need to petition the commissioner for intervention. Let the games be played real time, but there HAS to be consequences to the ref(s) that so blatantly missed calls like this game.

OS2 (SW) Razor Back:
Go Rams!!!

hoglady:
Couldn't the replay crew have saved the Saints??
I realize pass interference isn't reviewable but couldn't they have reviewed the helmet to helmet hit?
Isn't that a no call that can be reviewed??

Hogs33:
The Refs were crap the entire game, both ways! I am not a fan of the Saints or the Rams but this game stunk from the beginning and the NFL Administration is to blame for that show. They will not do a redo.  Pats vs Rams Super Bowl. Hopefully they will field a better crew of refs.

jneal56:

--- Quote from: Gonzo on January 21, 2019, 10:47:28 am ---

Yeah, we've already seen him try his hand at pro football



Go Hogs!

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To be fair, nobody is going to compete with the NFL regardless who they are and how much money they throw.

jneal56:

--- Quote from: GoHogs1091 on January 21, 2019, 08:01:43 pm ---Probably.

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Steaks
Trump University
Trump Taj Mahal Casino

All failures ran by a failure.

--- End quote ---

You’ve never failed?

Why not list his non-failures as well? Or does that not fit your narrative?

NotSoFastMyFriend:
I'll just leave this right here...

https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1087152988219674624

Pigsknuckles:

--- Quote from: TexHog188 on January 22, 2019, 09:07:10 am ---After the NO CALL it was forth down. Should have been 1st and goal on the 5. Then you run the clock down.

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The opportunity for that no call should not even have been on the table. The ball should have been run every down to milk clock and run LA out of time outs. Then, you kick the FG. Instead NO leaves 1:41 on the clock following the go ahead FG for the Rams to work with, and it cost em.

311Hog:

--- Quote from: NotSoFastMyFriend on January 22, 2019, 10:30:41 am ---I'll just leave this right here...

https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1087152988219674624

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^this 100% this.

in every game there are places where the refs or something is "missed" and each and every miss "could" change the game.
We saw this clear as day Sunday.

If the refs "miss" the Dee Ford line up in neutral zone then Cheifs INT stands probably win the game.  If 2 face mask penalties called on Saints that weren't then they probably punch it in and win (Rams) or of the missed PI targeting is called then maybe the Saints win.

This is football it happens all the time you cannot "pick" a time and place to go back to, if you do then the game is changed forever and where does it end? who makes the call?

phadedhawg:
The play clock being at zero doesn't mean delay of game.  The official has to see the clock at zero and then see if the ball isn't snapped.  It's not an instantaneous thing.  Happens a couple times every game.  You usually only get a delay of game if it's a full second after hitting zero before ball is snapped. 

Calls will be missed and facemask penalties are often missed just like holding is missed frequently. 

The pass interference wasn't even close or questionable.  If you miss calls like that you don't need to be on the field. 

Still, nothing will be done about it.  The NFL wanted the Rams in the Super Bowl and they were gonna make sure it happened.  I don't have a dog in this fight but as a neutral fan, it's upsetting to see such a big moment was blown by the league.

Hog Fan...DOH!:
The no- call was the biggest reason why NO lost the game.  You cannot blow up a receiver before the ball arrives, otherwise the forward pass would cease to exist. 

This wasn't a "bang bang" play... there wasn't "hand fighting", it wasn't a "let 'em play physical" call.  The NFL admits they blew the call.  FFS. 

Sure, the Saints could have played better.  The Rams could have played better, too.  It's a 60 minute game, stuff happens and choices are made.  But with less than 2 minutes, a first down is "game over".   The League's officials completely blew a call, and it cost New Orleans a Super Bowl appearance.  That one. single. play.  You cannot say that a play that happens in the first half, or the 3rd quarter, is equivalent to one with less than 2 minutes. 

The more I'm writing the more I realize there really must be something in America's water.  The crazy is strong in this country if you can look at what happened, and somehow still believe that NOLA should have just "played better" to win. 

311Hog:

--- Quote from: Hog Fan...DOH! on January 22, 2019, 11:52:39 am ---The no- call was the biggest reason why NO lost the game.  You cannot blow up a receiver before the ball arrives, otherwise the forward pass would cease to exist. 

This wasn't a "bang bang" play... there wasn't "hand fighting", it wasn't a "let 'em play physical" call.  The NFL admits they blew the call.  FFS. 

Sure, the Saints could have played better.  The Rams could have played better, too.  It's a 60 minute game, stuff happens and choices are made.  But with less than 2 minutes, a first down is "game over".   The League's officials completely blew a call, and it cost New Orleans a Super Bowl appearance.  That one. single. play.  You cannot say that a play that happens in the first half, or the 3rd quarter, is equivalent to one with less than 2 minutes. 

The more I'm writing the more I realize there really must be something in America's water.  The crazy is strong in this country if you can look at what happened, and somehow still believe that NOLA should have just "played better" to win. 



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umm no one looks at this and believes that a PI shouldn't have been called it clearly should have, but anyone that understands football understands that there are MANY such situations through out the game whether it is the first play or the last doesn't matter whats done is done hell that is why you hear " on to the next play" because in football that determines who wins and loses who can "flush the last play" and win the next play.
I mean look at the muff reversal what happened almost immediately after it ? dude threw a pick.  These things have a way or working themselves out. It is basically why you can't go back and "redo a game" or "restart" a game because the circumstances of that moment cannot be "recreated" it is history in cement.

There is no way to know if a PI is called and the player is ejected that NO doesn't botch the snap on the next play resulting in a scoop and score for the Rams. 

Gonzo:

--- Quote from: jneal56 on January 22, 2019, 09:47:32 am ---To be fair, nobody is going to compete with the NFL regardless who they are and how much money they throw.

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To be fair, I thought it was pretty clear any Trump talk in this thread is in jest


Go Hogs!

NotSoFastMyFriend:

--- Quote from: phadedhawg on January 22, 2019, 11:49:52 am ---The play clock being at zero doesn't mean delay of game.  The official has to see the clock at zero and then see if the ball isn't snapped.  It's not an instantaneous thing.  Happens a couple times every game.  You usually only get a delay of game if it's a full second after hitting zero before ball is snapped. 

Calls will be missed and facemask penalties are often missed just like holding is missed frequently. 

The pass interference wasn't even close or questionable.  If you miss calls like that you don't need to be on the field. 

Still, nothing will be done about it.  The NFL wanted the Rams in the Super Bowl and they were gonna make sure it happened.  I don't have a dog in this fight but as a neutral fan, it's upsetting to see such a big moment was blown by the league.

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Of course the PI should have been called but you have to acknowledge that two facemask penalties and a kick to the helmet are worth 45 yards. Pretty big in that game.

cpohog:
Goodell makes something in the neighborhood of 50 Mil a year to sit on his butt. That would be an unpopular move and could cost him his cushy job.

311Hog:

--- Quote from: cpohog on January 22, 2019, 12:21:17 pm ---Goodell makes something in the neighborhood of 50 Mil a year to sit on his butt. That would be an unpopular move and could cost him his cushy job.

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i agree but it would be unpopular because there are hundreds of situations like this before and folks would be rightly upset to wonder why Goodell never intervened then and so many more "will" happen that Goodell would never be able to shut this door.

hoglady:
It's done - no reason to compound the situation by attempting to save the Saints and creating new controversy.

Game's over and I can spend the rest of my life complaining about that no call.


Inhogswetrust:

--- Quote from: hoglady on January 22, 2019, 12:25:06 pm ---It's done - no reason to compound the situation by attempting to save the Saints and creating new controversy.

Game's over and I can spend the rest of my life complaining about that no call.




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Exactly. When mistakes like this are made then usually things are put in motion to make a change of some type to lessen them happening again but won’t change what already happened. A lot of, if not all, the rules instituted for safety measures are a good example. Humans are generally reactive instead of proactive.

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