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MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« on: January 12, 2019, 10:12:00 pm »

Here is a list of guys who left the program or we were close to landing at one point who would have made a huge difference for us

Transfers: Nick Babb at ISU: AVG 9 PPG but usually scores more

Jimmy Whitt at SMU: 12.9 PPG

Recruiting misses:

Ebuka Idunzu at Miami: 11.8 PPG 9.4 RPG

KeVaughn Allen: you guys know...

Reggie Snake Perry: not getting much time on MSUs bench

Zhaire Smith 76ers: We looked like a favorite to land him at one point but Mike backed off him late.

Josh LeBlanc at Georgetown: 9.6 PPG 8.1 RPG

Connor Vanover at Cal: not necessarily a miss, but has had some good games out west. I think he would have helped in half court offense and is a good stretch big.

Cameron McGriff at Oklahoma State: 13.1 PPG. We were close to landing him at one point, but Mike, you guessed, backed off.
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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 10:16:50 pm »

First Im hearing of Mike backing off McGriff. Believe we ended up with Bailey instead of him. Id be very upset if that was the reason why.
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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 10:36:29 pm »

Here is a list of guys who left the program or we were close to landing at one point who would have made a huge difference for us

Transfers: Nick Babb at ISU: AVG 9 PPG but usually scores more ]


A student of math here.  I would like for you to teach me how one can average 9 but usually score more.

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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 10:39:15 pm »

Here is a list of guys who left the program or we were close to landing at one point who would have made a huge difference for us

Transfers: Nick Babb at ISU: AVG 9 PPG but usually scores more ]
A student of math here.  I would like for you to teach me how one can average 9 but usually score more.
Most games he scores more than 9, but some games he scores less. You do the math and get the average of 9 PPG.
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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 10:43:01 pm »

Here is a list of guys who left the program or we were close to landing at one point who would have made a huge difference for us

Transfers: Nick Babb at ISU: AVG 9 PPG but usually scores more

Jimmy Whitt at SMU: 12.9 PPG

Recruiting misses:

Ebuka Idunzu at Miami: 11.8 PPG 9.4 RPG

KeVaughn Allen: you guys know...

Reggie Snake Perry: not getting much time on MSUs bench

Zhaire Smith 76ers: We looked like a favorite to land him at one point but Mike backed off him late.

Josh LeBlanc at Georgetown: 9.6 PPG 8.1 RPG

Connor Vanover at Cal: not necessarily a miss, but has had some good games out west. I think he would have helped in half court offense and is a good stretch big.

Cameron McGriff at Oklahoma State: 13.1 PPG. We were close to landing him at one point, but Mike, you guessed, backed off.

You missed Monk and Goodwin as well for misses.

But my guess is none of these guys were right for MA's system.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 10:44:41 pm »

Most games he scores more than 9, but some games he scores less. You do the math and get the average of 9 PPG.

I see.  So an average game for him is 9, but he usually scores more than his average.  Makes sense.

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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2019, 10:45:16 pm »

You missed Monk and Goodwin as well for misses.

But my guess is none of these guys were right for MA's system.
I listed guys who would have made a difference this season and last season. Amauri Hardy from UNLV is another one. 11.7 PPG
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 10:47:31 pm »


A student of math here.  I would like for you to teach me how one can average 9 but usually score more.
Score zero one time and twelve the next three.

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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2019, 10:50:54 pm »

I see.  So an average game for him is 9, but he usually scores more than his average.  Makes sense.
Hes scored more than 9 in four of his past 6 games.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2019, 10:55:52 pm »


A student of math here.  I would like for you to teach me how one can average 9 but usually score more.
LOL. Priceless

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 11:05:53 pm »

Constantly carrying open scholarships and too many freshman who everyone knows are gone at end of year one are unfortunate trends past eight years.

Transfers are irritating but so common now in college basketball that I am not completely blaming Anderson for them.

Anderson is a veteran coach who built out deep rosters at UAB and Mizzou. Not sure why the roster management has been so puzzling here.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 11:06:38 pm »

Well..

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2019, 11:36:27 pm »

LeGerald  Vick.  MA backed off when Jimmy Whitt signed

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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2019, 06:30:42 am »

How many out of this class transfer  one already has
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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2019, 07:37:53 am »

How many out of this class transfer  one already has

Hopefully one more. Have to upgrade the talent. When you have two bigs that can't get off the bench on this roster you have to be really bad. When Bailey and Gabe is beating you out it's time to say thank you but no thank you. Mike has the 2019 and 2020 season to make some noise.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2019, 07:41:30 am »

Hopefully one more. Have to upgrade the talent. When you have two bigs that can't get off the bench on this roster you have to be really bad. When Bailey and Gabe is beating you out it's time to say thank you but no thank you. Mike has the 2019 and 2020 season to make some noise.
And if he doesn't make noise then, the 2021 and 2022 seasons might be critical.
Good grief, some of you really do think he'll be here forever
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2019, 07:45:32 am »

And if he doesn't make noise then, the 2021 and 2022 seasons might be critical.
Good grief, some of you really do think he'll be here forever

If everything stays the same you're going to have a experience back court with some talented frontcourt players. Hopefully Williams and Moore.
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2019, 08:04:15 am »

Score zero one time and twelve the next three.
Thank you.  So nine is an average game for him but not a typical game for him.  He gets, say, fifteen three nights in a row, then zero the next two games.  He is not your average player!
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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 08:09:35 am »

If everything stays the same you're going to have a experience back court with some talented frontcourt players. Hopefully Williams and Moore.
2 things: 1, everything never stays the same in modern college sports because of all the transfers and kids taking bad advice. 2, only one of those experienced back court players has even been close to throwing the ball in the ocean once conference play started
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 08:41:27 am »

Hopefully one more. Have to upgrade the talent. When you have two bigs that can't get off the bench on this roster you have to be really bad. When Bailey and Gabe is beating you out it's time to say thank you but no thank you. Mike has the 2019 and 2020 season to make some noise.

Keep kicking the can down the road

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2019, 08:41:52 am »

The enemy of the best is the good. If you're always settling with what's good, you'll never be the best. Jerry Rice
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2019, 08:47:32 am »

Keep kicking the can down the road

It's not sustainable! LSU is not a blue blood and will not be protected by the NCAA. We get anything from our guard play we win both games. Just Keep Watching. These kids are showing great character and I believe the breaks will come.

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2019, 08:49:01 am »

The enemy of the best is the good. If you're always settling with what's good, you'll never be the best. Jerry Rice

About those coaching changes- "if your always shooting your self in the foot, you'll have nothing to stand on"  - Dominicanhog
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2019, 08:49:58 am »

These kids are showing great character and I believe the breaks will come.

Some would prefer they didn't...
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2019, 08:51:26 am »

Keep kicking the can down the road

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Re: MAs recruiting misses and transfers
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 09:26:08 am »

It's not sustainable! LSU is not a blue blood and will not be protected by the NCAA. We get anything from our guard play we win both games. Just Keep Watching. These kids are showing great character and I believe the breaks will come.

I give you credit, you are always optimistic with cma
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 09:35:49 am »

I give you credit, you are always optimistic with cma

Maybe he's just a fan with hope, maybe he doesn't have a hard on for the coach, maybe he understands BB and youth develops, maybe he enjoys his Razorbacks and doesn't like wallowing around in misery, maybe he doesn't make mountains out of mole hills every chance he gets, maybe...

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 12:18:08 pm »

Here is a list of guys who left the program or we were close to landing at one point who would have made a huge difference for us

Transfers: Nick Babb at ISU: AVG 9 PPG but usually scores more

Jimmy Whitt at SMU: 12.9 PPG

Recruiting misses:

Ebuka Idunzu at Miami: 11.8 PPG 9.4 RPG

KeVaughn Allen: you guys know...

Reggie Snake Perry: not getting much time on MSUs bench

Zhaire Smith 76ers: We looked like a favorite to land him at one point but Mike backed off him late.

Josh LeBlanc at Georgetown: 9.6 PPG 8.1 RPG

Connor Vanover at Cal: not necessarily a miss, but has had some good games out west. I think he would have helped in half court offense and is a good stretch big.

Cameron McGriff at Oklahoma State: 13.1 PPG. We were close to landing him at one point, but Mike, you guessed, backed off.
KeVaughn Allen was not coming here because of Anton Beard. Those two do NOT get along and do NOT like each other. I'm ready for Mike to go and think he could definitely recruit better, but this one was really not on Mike.
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2019, 12:19:38 pm »

Constantly carrying open scholarships and too many freshman who everyone knows are gone at end of year one are unfortunate trends past eight years.

Transfers are irritating but so common now in college basketball that I am not completely blaming Anderson for them.

Anderson is a veteran coach who built out deep rosters at UAB and Mizzou. Not sure why the roster management has been so puzzling here.
Terrible roster management had been more of Mike's downfall than his coaching IMHO.

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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2019, 12:22:45 pm »

Terrible roster management had been more of Mike's downfall than his coaching IMHO.
I will go to bat any day that Mike Anderson is a really good coach and talent developer. I don't agree with every decision, but I'm confident a lot more games than not I'd rather him on the Hog bench than the other coach.

Which makes the roster management all the more infuriating.

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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2019, 12:26:32 pm »

Mike Anderson is opposite world Stan Heath.

Anderson is an up tempo coach who you can actually trust to out scheme people while developing players. But his recruiting is rough.

Stan Heath played super slow, got beat often by less talented teams, and no player not named Ronnie Brewer or Steven Hill ever developed. But dang on paper those last couple teams were talented.
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2019, 12:27:00 pm »

I will go to bat any day that Mike Anderson is a really good coach and talent developer. I don't agree with every decision, but I'm confident a lot more games than not I'd rather him on the Hog bench than the other coach.

Which makes the roster management all the more infuriating.

A lot of truth here...

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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2019, 12:30:23 pm »

Mike Anderson is opposite world Stan Heath.

Anderson is an up tempo coach who you can actually trust to out scheme people while developing players. But his recruiting is rough.

Stan Heath played super slow, got beat often by less talented teams, and no player not named Ronnie Brewer or Steven Hill ever developed. But dang on paper those last couple teams were talented.
Some of that beef would come in handy about now...
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2019, 12:30:42 pm »

But his recruiting is rough.



Never has been able to get full team and refill.. has been a scramble since day one.. the 4 he signed year one is what started it imo,  and the Portis/Qualls/Williams/Beard year kicked the stool from under him and started the scramble all over again...

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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2019, 12:31:31 pm »

Some of that beef would come in handy about now...
Imagine Mike Anderson if he had Ronnie Brewer. Ronnie Brewer in an up tempo, attacking system would have been a God among mere mortals.
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2019, 12:37:13 pm »

Imagine Mike Anderson if he had Ronnie Brewer. Ronnie Brewer in an up tempo, attacking system would have been a God among mere mortals.
True, but I was thinking about Townes and Thomas to go with Gafford.  But I'd take all three.   8)
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2019, 12:40:38 pm »

True, but I was thinking about Townes and Thomas to go with Gafford.  But I'd take all three.   8)
Thomas was fantastic.

Steven Hill would have been a freak for Anderson as well. Gafford and Kingsley are better overall players, but imagine the big man roaming at the rim and letting our wing players trap knowing he had their back. And Hill in that one year with Pelphrey was throwing down tons of alley oops.

Again, Anderson is bizarro world Heath. Other than both being nice guys, pretty much polar opposites.
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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2019, 12:40:51 pm »

He didnt seem to work hard in recruiting for the first three years. Then he doesnt play freshman unless his hand is forced. Maybe that is the cause of all the transfers after year 1?  If a guy is a stud his whole life and gets to college and the coach talks him up but plays him inconsistent minutes, makes for unhappy players. Especially when guys you played with and against in AAU are playin 10 minutes or more a game.   Players exercise the only power they have, they transfer. Not saying its the right decision but its the way it is so to be successful you have to adapt. Its not 1994, heck its not even 2004.
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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2019, 12:46:45 pm »

Imagine Mike Anderson if he had Ronnie Brewer. Ronnie Brewer in an up tempo, attacking system would have been a God among mere mortals.

Heath couldnt get the guards especially shooters. He didnt intend to be as slow as it was.  But his guards couldnt score consistently enough to create any pace. Two biggest negatives to affect him was Olus knee injury and missing on Lofton.  Olu was to be the Jason Richardson finisher.  Lofton would have changed the fortunes of Heath on the court.  Off the court was a mess so it would have crumbled anyway. 
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2019, 12:50:46 pm »

Heath couldnt get the guards especially shooters. He didnt intend to be as slow as it was.  But his guards couldnt score consistently enough to create any pace. Two biggest negatives to affect him was Olus knee injury and missing on Lofton.  Olu was to be the Jason Richardson finisher.  Lofton would have changed the fortunes of Heath on the court.  Off the court was a mess so it would have crumbled anyway. 
Last sentence is key.

I believe Heath was the kindest human being and stayed positive during a poisonous time, but he earned his walking papers. There are some less than savory coaches out there, but I think our last few coaches have all been gentlemen who are easy to cheer for.
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2019, 12:53:39 pm »

Tyler Cook now at Iowa visit campus numerous time. PF avg 17 per game jr
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2019, 12:55:27 pm »

In regards to Whitt and Babb, I don't think we missed out on much with their transfers. If anything, it's an even trade, but I don't know about that. If they would have stayed, we wouldn't have gotten Macon or Barford, and probably wouldn't have gotten Harris or Jones.

Whitt can slash pretty good, and Babb is a decent facilitator. Both are sub-par shooters. I'd argue the 4 guys we got to replace them are upgrades.
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2019, 12:57:46 pm »

Last sentence is key.

I believe Heath was the kindest human being and stayed positive during a poisonous time, but he earned his walking papers. There are some less than savory coaches out there, but I think our last few coaches have all been gentlemen who are easy to cheer for.
Remember when Pelphrey kicked the scorekeeper's table?  Seems like he became more subdued after that.  Sutton and Richardson would chew some refs' ass when it was called for.
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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2019, 12:58:08 pm »

Tyler Cook now at Iowa visit campus numerous time. PF avg 17 per game jr

Eric Curry at Minnesota would have been a good 4 year big man for us. I thought he was gonna be a lock.
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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2019, 12:59:06 pm »

In regards to Whitt and Babb, I don't think we missed out on much with their transfers. If anything, it's an even trade, but I don't know about that. If they would have stayed, we wouldn't have gotten Macon or Barford, and probably wouldn't have gotten Harris or Jones.

Whitt can slash pretty good, and Babb is a decent facilitator. Both are sub-par shooters. I'd argue the 4 guys we got to replace them are upgrades.

They would have been key contributors.  Not stars.  But filled roles solidly.  Babb would have been finished before this season. Whitt would be a team leader and the newcomers would be developing as depth instead of being counted on so much.  Would be missing one player though? Jones? Harris? 

The program needs 3rd and 4th year solid contributors and leaders. 
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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2019, 01:00:01 pm »

Remember when Pelphrey kicked the scorekeeper's table?  Seems like he became more subdued after that.  Sutton and Richardson would chew some refs' ass when it was called for.
I remember when we kicked Florida's butt and Charles Thomas had to hold him back one timeout.
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You don't get banned for talking basketball. You get banned for just inserting an agenda into every thread.
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