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Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« on: January 12, 2019, 09:05:05 pm »

What's the difference
Tale of the Tapes: Arkansas vs Virginia

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Virginia has 15 players 6 freshman 4 sophomores, 4 juniors and 1 senior. We out recruited them for the past two seasons. * 7 Tournament wins
Current season: 14-0
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 09:09:27 pm »

Bennett can coach, I just would not want to watch it

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 09:20:07 pm »

I’m no cma supporter anymore, but they got destroyed by a 16 seed for the first time in tournament history last year.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 09:28:42 pm »

They had 13 points in the first 12 minutes of their game today.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 09:30:17 pm »

They had 13 points in the first 12 minutes of their game today.
Very much like what we had in the Florida game the other day.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 09:30:45 pm »

Bennett can coach, I just would not want to watch it
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2019, 09:36:22 pm »

What 4 jrs do we have.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 09:36:44 pm »

Very much like what we had in the Florida game the other day.


I think we had half that.  Lol

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2019, 09:58:18 pm »

Very much like what we had in the Florida game the other day.

My point
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2019, 09:58:46 pm »

What 4 jrs do we have.

He's counting the walk ons
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 10:00:55 pm »

My point
Good job disguising that point of yours.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 10:02:14 pm »

What 4 jrs do we have.

Harris, Bailey, Holmes and Emeka
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2019, 10:27:42 pm »

I’m no cma supporter anymore, but they got destroyed by a 16 seed for the first time in tournament history last year.

And will probably win the tournament this season.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2019, 10:30:51 pm »

And will probably win the tournament this season.

First gotta win enough games to make it to the tournament.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2019, 10:48:06 pm »

And will probably win the tournament this season.

Probably not
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2019, 10:52:05 pm »

Harris, Bailey, Holmes and Emeka
Harris is a sophomore
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 11:05:37 pm »

Tony Bennett may coach a boring to watch style, but he takes the players he recruits and he is extremely successful with it.  Sure, he lost to a 16 seed.  First time ever.  Upsets happen in the tournament like Bucknell beating Arkansas in the NCAAs under Stan Heath.   

But Bennett has his style.  It works for him.  He plays in the ACC--better basketball conference than the SEC.  Just got to be real here--he is a better coach than Mike.  Mike has had 7 + years to get this program back to making regular NCAA appearances and being ranked.   Ark used to live in the Top 25 every year.  Some years even up in the top 10-15.  Now we hardly even get votes while Tennessee and Auburn are ranked and are getting recruits coming in droves.   

My main hope is that with all the new folks on the Hog team, Mike will finally start to build the program and will continue to build with his recruiting.   I mean can Mike land a 5 star player like Moses Moody who has ties to the state of Arkansas?  Can Mike keep getting 4 star recruits class after class and get some guards who can actually shoot when the game is on the line?  Can Mike get a replacement for Gafford because after this season,  he is gone and we dont want to fall back. 

With Mike, its all about talent cause he isnt going to blow you away with his X's and O's .  Sure he hasnt had a losing season, but Ark aspires to do better than just have a winning season.   Sweet Sixteen appearances.  Elite 8s.  A Final Four every  few years.  Nobody expects Mike to be like Dook, but good Lord, after 7+ years, this is simply mediocre.

Look at what the coach at LSU is doing.  He gets Tremont Waters to come all the way to Baton Rouge from freakin Connecticut?????  He is landing 5 star recruits after 5 star recruits at Baton Rouge. Nazreon Reid from New Jersey coming to Baton Rouge--a 5 star.  Ben Simmons a couple of years ago. See the link below and look at the schools Reid turned down to go to LSU.    Mike needs to get with the "program" whatever  that "program" is cause just being a good dude is getting us all the way to the middle of the conference. 

http://www.wafb.com/2018/08/29/lsu-adds-another-star-recruit-highly-ranked-basketball-class/

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2019, 12:30:30 am »

Tony Bennett may coach a boring to watch style, but he takes the players he recruits and he is extremely successful with it.  Sure, he lost to a 16 seed.  First time ever.  Upsets happen in the tournament like Bucknell beating Arkansas in the NCAAs under Stan Heath.   

But Bennett has his style.  It works for him.  He plays in the ACC--better basketball conference than the SEC.  Just got to be real here--he is a better coach than Mike.  Mike has had 7 + years to get this program back to making regular NCAA appearances and being ranked.   Ark used to live in the Top 25 every year.  Some years even up in the top 10-15.  Now we hardly even get votes while Tennessee and Auburn are ranked and are getting recruits coming in droves.   

My main hope is that with all the new folks on the Hog team, Mike will finally start to build the program and will continue to build with his recruiting.   I mean can Mike land a 5 star player like Moses Moody who has ties to the state of Arkansas?  Can Mike keep getting 4 star recruits class after class and get some guards who can actually shoot when the game is on the line?  Can Mike get a replacement for Gafford because after this season,  he is gone and we dont want to fall back. 

With Mike, its all about talent cause he isnt going to blow you away with his X's and O's .  Sure he hasnt had a losing season, but Ark aspires to do better than just have a winning season.   Sweet Sixteen appearances.  Elite 8s.  A Final Four every  few years.  Nobody expects Mike to be like Dook, but good Lord, after 7+ years, this is simply mediocre.

Look at what the coach at LSU is doing.  He gets Tremont Waters to come all the way to Baton Rouge from freakin Connecticut?????  He is landing 5 star recruits after 5 star recruits at Baton Rouge. Nazreon Reid from New Jersey coming to Baton Rouge--a 5 star.  Ben Simmons a couple of years ago. See the link below and look at the schools Reid turned down to go to LSU.    Mike needs to get with the "program" whatever  that "program" is cause just being a good dude is getting us all the way to the middle of the conference. 

http://www.wafb.com/2018/08/29/lsu-adds-another-star-recruit-highly-ranked-basketball-class/


My point exactly. We watched other SEC teams take strides while we continue to be on cruise control of being ok.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2019, 06:28:55 am »

The sad thing is there are people on this board that would rather have Mile Anderson than Tony Bennett.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 06:32:52 am »

I would take tony Bennett.  Winning would be great, but man it would be hard to watch.

I say thought, but what I have been watching is hard.

Prefer to win.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 08:15:52 am »

They had 13 points in the first 12 minutes of their game today.

Lots of teams no I will say ALL TEAMS have games where they can not buy a bucket and players lose confidence in their shot so maybe they barely get to 60 points in a game but the difference is the schools who play outstanding defense can still win those games. 

I love offensive games but I also love winning.  So I will take a defensive minded coach if they guarantee us consistency, allot better records and back to national rankings again.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2019, 10:57:32 am »

Harris is a sophomore. One yr of playing experience...
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2019, 11:09:29 am »

Harris, Bailey, Holmes and Emeka
So 2 walkon, really... So what 2 walkon are contributing to Virginia...
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2019, 11:26:41 am »

Since Mike Anderson was hired:

2011–12   Virginia   22–10   NCAA Division I Round of 64
2012–13   Virginia   23–12   NIT Quarterfinal
2013–14   Virginia   30–7           NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2014–15   Virginia   30–4           NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16   Virginia   29–8           NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2016–17   Virginia   23–11   NCAA Division I Round of 32
2017–18   Virginia   31–3           NCAA Division I Round of 64
2018–19   Virginia   15–0         


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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2019, 11:41:34 am »

We have one junior.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2019, 11:43:04 am »

Since Mike Anderson was hired:

2011–12   Virginia   22–10   NCAA Division I Round of 64
2012–13   Virginia   23–12   NIT Quarterfinal
2013–14   Virginia   30–7           NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2014–15   Virginia   30–4           NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16   Virginia   29–8           NCAA Division I Elite Eight
2016–17   Virginia   23–11   NCAA Division I Round of 32
2017–18   Virginia   31–3           NCAA Division I Round of 64
2018–19   Virginia   15–0         


Currently ranked #1 in the country.
Frequently ranked in the Top 10.
2x National Coach of the Year
3x ACC Coach of the Year
3x ACC Conference Champions
2x ACC Tournament Champions

First team to ever lose to a 16 seed. Got smiled at that.

They are built for regular season success.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 12:17:36 pm »

First team to ever lose to a 16 seed. Got smiled at that.

They are built for regular season success.

Well yeah, other than they were in the elite eight three years ago, with another sweet sixteen in the last five years.

They've had the same tourney success in the last five years as Mike has had in sixteen seasons, for those keeping score at home.  It's really not close, at all.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 12:35:53 pm »

Did CMA ever recruit anybody when he was Nolan's assistant?
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 01:12:24 pm »

First team to ever lose to a 16 seed. Got smiled at that.

They are built for regular season success.

That last statement is key.   UVA gets high seeds then they are bounced early from the tourney. Not just last year.

Some of hogvillie wants Tony Bennett for reasons other than coaching.  They want more Rotni's
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2019, 01:12:32 pm »

What's the difference
Tale of the Tapes: Arkansas vs Virginia

Ok, we have 15 members since we lost Phillips on the team 7 Freshman, 4 Sophomores and 4 Juniors. There are only 5 players on the court at a time. * 3 Tournament wins
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2017: 1**** 3***        2016/17 (26-10)
2016: 3 **** 3***       2015/16 (16-16)
2015: 1 ****                2014/15 (27-9)

Virginia has 15 players 6 freshman 4 sophomores, 4 juniors and 1 senior. We out recruited them for the past two seasons. * 7 Tournament wins
Current season: 14-0
Recruiting:                     Record
2018: 1**** 2***        2017/18 (31-3)
2017: 2 ***                 2016/17  (23-11)
2016: 4 ****               2015/16.  (29-8)
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2019, 01:31:37 pm »

Did CMA ever recruit anybody when he was Nolan's assistant?
He was the lead recruiter for Andre Iguodala... He even stated than, if mike would've been hired he would've still considered Arkansas
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2019, 01:33:26 pm »

I do like watching the pack line defense.  Wouldn’t want to watch UVa’s pace every game.  But I do like watching them on occasion frustrate teams in the half court with that D. 
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2019, 02:06:27 pm »

He was the lead recruiter for Andre Iguodala... He even stated than, if mike would've been hired he would've still considered Arkansas
So why can't we get anymore Andres?

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2019, 02:58:57 pm »

So why can't we get anymore Andres?

We've gotten a number of pros.  We're even sitting with a lottery type pick on the roster right now.  The problem isn't getting the Andres.   Its getting the 2nd and 3rd and 4th guys around them that allow for deeper tournament runs.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2019, 06:52:36 pm »

First team to ever lose to a 16 seed. Got smiled at that.

They are built for regular season success.

and what is our basketball program built for?

they guy has an elite eight & sweet sixteen, but you find a way to diss him. wow

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2019, 07:31:28 pm »

We've gotten a number of pros.  We're even sitting with a lottery type pick on the roster right now.  The problem isn't getting the Andres.   Its getting the 2nd and 3rd and 4th guys around them that allow for deeper tournament runs.
This is the problem. Our 4's/5's can't shoot. How many times did Waters drive and we have their guards guarded but LSU has a big that can shoot and made us pay. It's really that simple.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2019, 07:59:26 pm »

I probably watch more Virginia basketball than almost anyone in this forum, and I LOVE the way they play. Of course, winning helps, and Tony's teams win at an extremely high rate.

The pack line defense is a beautiful thing to watch, the way they work as a unit and force teams into bad shots or shot clock violations. And the offense, while not explosive, is extremely efficient. Once you understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, you gain a real appreciation for Tony's methods.

I would much rather watch that than the undisciplined garbage I see in many other teams' games, including the Hogs'. You guys and gals might find wildly ill-advised shots, turnovers, poor block outs and matador defense exciting, but I find THAT harder to watch than the Hoos' methodical curb-stomping of opponents.

Granted, Virginia hasn't been as successful in the NCAAT as we would like ... but the time is coming. And it very well could be this year. Leading the nation in scoring defense again, but a better offense with more versatility than years past. In a nutshell: Virginia is an elite program now, and Bennett is the best coach in college hoops.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2019, 09:04:00 pm »

...and Bennett is the best coach in college hoops.

I'm going to have to go with Krzyzewski on that one.  But UVA has a heck of a program.  I am a Duke fan and I would not be the least bit surprised if UVA wins on Saturday.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2019, 09:36:08 pm »

and what is our basketball program built for?

they guy has an elite eight & sweet sixteen, but you find a way to diss him. wow
And in the last 5 seasons too.  Got smiled at that, lol.

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2019, 09:38:10 pm »

I'm going to have to go with Krzyzewski on that one.  But UVA has a heck of a program.  I am a Duke fan and I would not be the least bit surprised if UVA wins on Saturday.

Most people would probably agree with you. I base my assessment mostly on the fact that Bennett does more with less highly rated (I refuse to say less talented) players. He takes middling prospects like Joe Harris and Malcolm Brogdon and coaches them up into stars (while also winning a ton), while Coach K reloads with Burger Boys every year. Bennett is the only coach to ever win 17 ACC games in a season. And, a fact that will surprise some folks: Bennett has won 10 more ACC games than K in the last five years. Of course, K has a natty during that time while Tony has the most embarrassing NCAAT loss in history, so there's that. We're both blessed to have great coaches, and I'm sure neither of us would want to trade for anyone else. Saturday's game should be a hum-dinger.
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2019, 11:08:03 pm »

Bennett can coach, I just would not want to watch it

So, you would rather watch what we're having to look at?  How do you square your preferences for viewing with reality?

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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2019, 11:11:45 pm »

Bennett can coach, I just would not want to watch it

So, you would rather watch what we're having to look at?  How do you square your preferences for viewing with reality?
Tony Bennett may coach a boring to watch style, but he takes the players he recruits and he is extremely successful with it.  Sure, he lost to a 16 seed.  First time ever.  Upsets happen in the tournament like Bucknell beating Arkansas in the NCAAs under Stan Heath.   

But Bennett has his style.  It works for him.  He plays in the ACC--better basketball conference than the SEC.  Just got to be real here--he is a better coach than Mike.  Mike has had 7 + years to get this program back to making regular NCAA appearances and being ranked.   Ark used to live in the Top 25 every year.  Some years even up in the top 10-15.  Now we hardly even get votes while Tennessee and Auburn are ranked and are getting recruits coming in droves.   

My main hope is that with all the new folks on the Hog team, Mike will finally start to build the program and will continue to build with his recruiting.   I mean can Mike land a 5 star player like Moses Moody who has ties to the state of Arkansas?  Can Mike keep getting 4 star recruits class after class and get some guards who can actually shoot when the game is on the line?  Can Mike get a replacement for Gafford because after this season,  he is gone and we dont want to fall back. 

With Mike, its all about talent cause he isnt going to blow you away with his X's and O's .  Sure he hasnt had a losing season, but Ark aspires to do better than just have a winning season.   Sweet Sixteen appearances.  Elite 8s.  A Final Four every  few years.  Nobody expects Mike to be like Dook, but good Lord, after 7+ years, this is simply mediocre.

Look at what the coach at LSU is doing.  He gets Tremont Waters to come all the way to Baton Rouge from freakin Connecticut?????  He is landing 5 star recruits after 5 star recruits at Baton Rouge. Nazreon Reid from New Jersey coming to Baton Rouge--a 5 star.  Ben Simmons a couple of years ago. See the link below and look at the schools Reid turned down to go to LSU.    Mike needs to get with the "program" whatever  that "program" is cause just being a good dude is getting us all the way to the middle of the conference. 

http://www.wafb.com/2018/08/29/lsu-adds-another-star-recruit-highly-ranked-basketball-class/


In addition, why is it that I've seen the same coaching staff for all those years, not counting Scotty...?
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Re: Tale of the tape Arkansas vs Virginia
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2019, 07:08:37 am »

So, you would rather watch what we're having to look at?  How do you square your preferences for viewing with reality?

I had a change of heart in another thread. I go back to my baseball mantra

Just win, baby

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