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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2018, 01:54:32 pm »

Although our class is ranked 15th, I notice that ASGR rankings don't even include Marquesha Davis. She is a great player -- highly underrated imo.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2018, 03:19:58 pm »

Remember this class will also include Barnum who obviously they can not talk about. but coach has said she will be eligible next year.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2018, 04:19:45 pm »

Although our class is ranked 15th, I notice that ASGR rankings don't even include Marquesha Davis. She is a great player -- highly underrated imo.

The ASGR ratings are, at this point, incomplete. Davis USED to be listed as a Hog commit there, but she is not there now. This actually made me concerned that something had happened regarding her status, but that's not the case. There are other schools listed whose classes are also incomplete, and there are still a handful of blue-chip kids (including national #1 Haley Jones) who haven't committed yet. When it's all said and done, I think we have a top 20 class. ASGR had Davis listed as their #59 player in 2019, fwiw, when she was listed as a Hog commit. No reason to think that's no longer the case. On offers alone, she is easily a top 100 kid.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2018, 09:05:27 am »

I don't know anything about ASGR.  Regardless, per ESPN all four of our 2019 freshmen girls are very high 3 star recruits with ratings of 90. Therefore, this a very good class since ratings of 91 through 95 are 4 stars.  I couldn't find anything definite on our class rating in SEC by ESPN, but apparently 7th or 8th.  Nevertheless, ESPN doesn't include Amber Ramirez who, if included, would bump up our 2019 SEC class standings.

Other than Amber Ramirez, we didn't sign any ESPN top 100 players--all 4 & 5 star players. In any event, considering that we were picked last last year and near the bottom this year in the SEC, Mike Neighbors is an outstanding recruiter.  Recruiting even higher rated players will come when our team is picked higher in the SEC and that will happen after we upset a couple of SEC teams we are not expected to win against.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2018, 07:21:55 pm »

The thing about BB recruiting services is that you can’t just rely on one. These services don’t see every player equally often, or even multiple times. Dan Olson, who does Hoopgurlz for ESPN, is fine, but Bret McCormick of ASGR is every bit as knowledgable. The PN guys are ok, too. Coaches, and fans, shouldn’t worry too much about what a single recruiting service has to say. It’s not like there is an extremely solid reason that one player is a 90/3-star for Olson and another is a 91/4 star; the same kid may not even be seen by another service, or may be rated a strong 4-star. Just my opinion, but seeing how kids are rated across services is a much better indicator than any one rating.

Just to riff on this one bit more: the last comment Olson has on Oberg’s profile is from ... wait for it ... 2014. She wasn’t even listed on his site until after she committed, and he hasn’t had a chance to see her since then. I’m not knocking him at all; no one can see every kid multiple times and be fair about it.

OK, one more riff on this ... because I’m obviously spending too much time thinking about it. Looking at other kids who are ranked 90 (which is like a “gentleman’s B” rating) — look across the state to Jonesboro’s Kayla Mitchell. She’s ranked 90. She’s a good little player, but not a P5 level talent. She is committed (and perhaps signed by now) to Lamar. Do you think Neighbors went all the way to Maryland to get Makayla Daniels — also a 90 — when he could have had a player of the alleged same ability from Jonesboro? The last time Olson saw Kayla Mitchell was 2016. Ok, I’m beating a dead horse here, but you can’t just go by Hoopgurlz. Or any individual service.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2018, 12:12:49 am »

The thing about BB recruiting services is that you can’t just rely on one. These services don’t see every player equally often, or even multiple times. Dan Olson, who does Hoopgurlz for ESPN, is fine, but Bret McCormick of ASGR is every bit as knowledgable. The PN guys are ok, too. Coaches, and fans, shouldn’t worry too much about what a single recruiting service has to say. It’s not like there is an extremely solid reason that one player is a 90/3-star for Olson and another is a 91/4 star; the same kid may not even be seen by another service, or may be rated a strong 4-star. Just my opinion, but seeing how kids are rated across services is a much better indicator than any one rating.

Just to riff on this one bit more: the last comment Olson has on Oberg’s profile is from ... wait for it ... 2014. She wasn’t even listed on his site until after she committed, and he hasn’t had a chance to see her since then. I’m not knocking him at all; no one can see every kid multiple times and be fair about it.

OK, one more riff on this ... because I’m obviously spending too much time thinking about it. Looking at other kids who are ranked 90 (which is like a “gentleman’s B” rating) — look across the state to Jonesboro’s Kayla Mitchell. She’s ranked 90. She’s a good little player, but not a P5 level talent. She is committed (and perhaps signed by now) to Lamar. Do you think Neighbors went all the way to Maryland to get Makayla Daniels — also a 90 — when he could have had a player of the alleged same ability from Jonesboro? The last time Olson saw Kayla Mitchell was 2016. Ok, I’m beating a dead horse here, but you can’t just go by Hoopgurlz. Or any individual service.

Thank you for coming to my way-too-long Ted Talk!  ;)
Very good commentary on recruiting.  On average, no doubt all re rating services are good, but i agree that the opinion of a coach is probably better for an individual player that he is recruiting.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2018, 07:56:35 am »

How well did Oberg play last summer after taking all of her junior season off because of injury???  What was the injury? Back?  Is that a concern?  The picture I am looking at of her makes her look like she is not in playing shape for a fast pace game.  I assume this is not a concern with our staff?    What is her strengths?  Weaknesses?

Did we meet all of our needs?
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2018, 08:04:53 am »

The thing about BB recruiting services is that you can’t just rely on one. These services don’t see every player equally often, or even multiple times. Dan Olson, who does Hoopgurlz for ESPN, is fine, but Bret McCormick of ASGR is every bit as knowledgable. The PN guys are ok, too. Coaches, and fans, shouldn’t worry too much about what a single recruiting service has to say. It’s not like there is an extremely solid reason that one player is a 90/3-star for Olson and another is a 91/4 star; the same kid may not even be seen by another service, or may be rated a strong 4-star. Just my opinion, but seeing how kids are rated across services is a much better indicator than any one rating.

Just to riff on this one bit more: the last comment Olson has on Oberg’s profile is from ... wait for it ... 2014. She wasn’t even listed on his site until after she committed, and he hasn’t had a chance to see her since then. I’m not knocking him at all; no one can see every kid multiple times and be fair about it.

OK, one more riff on this ... because I’m obviously spending too much time thinking about it. Looking at other kids who are ranked 90 (which is like a “gentleman’s B” rating) — look across the state to Jonesboro’s Kayla Mitchell. She’s ranked 90. She’s a good little player, but not a P5 level talent. She is committed (and perhaps signed by now) to Lamar. Do you think Neighbors went all the way to Maryland to get Makayla Daniels — also a 90 — when he could have had a player of the alleged same ability from Jonesboro? The last time Olson saw Kayla Mitchell was 2016. Ok, I’m beating a dead horse here, but you can’t just go by Hoopgurlz. Or any individual service.

Thank you for coming to my way-too-long Ted Talk!  ;)

Those are all great points. My own impression is that Prospects Nation has the most complete view i.e. watches more games in person because it has a team of reviewers. But even then it depends on which game(s) they watch. A player can have a good day or a bad day as we all know.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2018, 07:25:36 pm »

How well did Oberg play last summer after taking all of her junior season off because of injury???  What was the injury? Back?  Is that a concern?  The picture I am looking at of her makes her look like she is not in playing shape for a fast pace game.  I assume this is not a concern with our staff?    What is her strengths?  Weaknesses?

Did we meet all of our needs?

It was last summer that Oberg did not play, so your question is difficult to answer. She had a very nice high school season before that, but suffered the injury in June. She spent the summer rehabbing, working out, etc., within her limits. In her most recent interview with RD (in August of this year), she said she had lost about 30 lbs. Obviously, I don't know what picture of her you're looking at, but chances are it may not be recent.

The injury was bulging discs in the back. The severity of the injury matters in giving a prognosis, but most bulging discs in athletes are treated well with PT, rest, and continued therapeutic exercise. Moderate injuries heal within ~6 weeks. Is it a concern for the staff? I have no idea.

Her strengths are her shooting touch (she can hit all the way out to the arc), her passing ability, her athleticism for her size (no one is going to confuse her for Marquesha Davis, athletically, but Oberg has good footwork and can maneuver well to get her own shot on the block). She takes up space well in the paint and can start the break with a good outlet pass. 

Her weaknesses, I would say, are that she's not 6'5", and that she likes to put the ball on the floor when she gets the ball inside. The latter can be fixed.

Did we get what we need? Yes and no. We really need size, and she gives us some of that. But she's not super tall. She's similar in some ways to Chantel Osahor, who CMN had at Washington. She's taller than Osahor (who was 6' in shoes) and a little less wide-bodied, but she can shoot and clog the lane. The 2019 class was noted to be relatively thin when it came to post players, and CMN went out and got a VERY good one. And he's got a 2020 committed as well.

I think he's putting the pieces together rather well.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2018, 08:53:19 pm »

It was last summer that Oberg did not play, so your question is difficult to answer. She had a very nice high school season before that, but suffered the injury in June. She spent the summer rehabbing, working out, etc., within her limits. In her most recent interview with RD (in August of this year), she said she had lost about 30 lbs. Obviously, I don't know what picture of her you're looking at, but chances are it may not be recent.

The injury was bulging discs in the back. The severity of the injury matters in giving a prognosis, but most bulging discs in athletes are treated well with PT, rest, and continued therapeutic exercise. Moderate injuries heal within ~6 weeks. Is it a concern for the staff? I have no idea.

Her strengths are her shooting touch (she can hit all the way out to the arc), her passing ability, her athleticism for her size (no one is going to confuse her for Marquesha Davis, athletically, but Oberg has good footwork and can maneuver well to get her own shot on the block). She takes up space well in the paint and can start the break with a good outlet pass. 

Her weaknesses, I would say, are that she's not 6'5", and that she likes to put the ball on the floor when she gets the ball inside. The latter can be fixed.

Did we get what we need? Yes and no. We really need size, and she gives us some of that. But she's not super tall. She's similar in some ways to Chantel Osahor, who CMN had at Washington. She's taller than Osahor (who was 6' in shoes) and a little less wide-bodied, but she can shoot and clog the lane. The 2019 class was noted to be relatively thin when it came to post players, and CMN went out and got a VERY good one. And he's got a 2020 committed as well.

I think he's putting the pieces together rather well.
I don't know the thinking of the staff, but Oberg's back injury certainly concerns me.  I'm not specialists so I really don't  know; but, in a fast paced game like basketball, I'm concerned that it will be a reoccurring problem.  Her height is much less of a concern.  Girls with more height are rare and athletic girls with height are rarer still. Since she is a talented player, she is better than most taller girls.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 09:43:55 am »

After watching this team play the 1st half of the season and right after getting destroyed on the inside by Ms St. it is clear we are not ready to compete with the upper tier teams.  I am not talking about winning but we can not even compete with them especially on the boards and points in the paint. 

We really need size and length added at several positions on our team.   Will this class do that?  Will this class help us on the boards?  Will this class help us with inside defense/scoring?  Will this team add toughness?

Oberg is a bigger body but is she the answer down low?   Her Back really scares me.  Is she a rebounding machine in HS? 

I would love to add a JUCO or a transfer at the PF or C spot.  Add some length and an older inside player for toughness and for rebounding/inside scorer



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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2019, 10:40:17 am »

After watching this team play the 1st half of the season and right after getting destroyed on the inside by Ms St. it is clear we are not ready to compete with the upper tier teams.  I am not talking about winning but we can not even compete with them especially on the boards and points in the paint. 

We really need size and length added at several positions on our team.   Will this class do that?  Will this class help us on the boards?  Will this class help us with inside defense/scoring?  Will this team add toughness?

Oberg is a bigger body but is she the answer down low?   Her Back really scares me.  Is she a rebounding machine in HS? 

I would love to add a JUCO or a transfer at the PF or C spot.  Add some length and an older inside player for toughness and for rebounding/inside scorer




Our scholarships are full for next year unless someone transfers.  In fact we will have 16 players and only 15 scholarships.  We got a couple of 6'3" and 6'4" JC's under Dykes.  They did not really help us in spite of one of them being a Juco All American.  Mike reached the final four with a center at 6'1" who led the nation in rebounding - so it can be done.  You are forgetting Barnum in the mix next year also.  Coach has told me that he is not worried about Oberg's back.  He has also said that they are not looking at adding anyone for next year, but that could change if someone transfers.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2019, 05:13:36 am »

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Bloomington Kennedy vs the Academy of Holy Angels. It was a game that both teams had circled on the calendar a long time ago, an encounter between two schools located just 5 miles apart on opposite sides of I-494. More importantly it marked the return of Destinee Oberg to the gym where she dominated for years. In the end, there was one thing that became abundantly obvious: It’s Frankie V’s house now.


Francesca “Frankie” Vascellaro is a talented sophomore who has taken over as the go-to player at Holy Angels.
That would be Frankie Vascellaro, a talented sophomore who has sprouted to 6 feet tall this year and unveiled a whole new level of potential. On Thursday night, she scored 25 points to lead Holy Angels to a 71-62 victory. “It was an important game for us and our coaches,” Vascellaro said. “We knew it wasn’t going to be as easy as it was when we had Destinee on our team.”

The Holy Angels game plan was built around stopping Oberg. “We switched around our entire defense,” Vascellaro explained. “If she did get the ball we tried to collapse on her, and we wanted to play a lot in front of her. We also had to have people to cover the outside in case they were shooting.”

That’s pretty much how it went. Oberg, as usual, found herself in a traffic jam in the paint, which put the ball primarily in the hands of Kennedy’s shooters. The Eagles were good beyond the arc – senior Samantha Husting made four 3s in the second half – and that’s what enabled them to keep it close until the final 30 seconds.

Dealing with a painful back injury, Destinee was rather tentative in the early going. She was having trouble elevating for rebounds, and her movements were slower than usual. Although she was pulling down defensive boards, and managed to play 15 of the 18 minutes, Oberg wasn’t much of a factor offensively. That enabled Holy Angels to build a 12-point lead early in the game. After thwarting a Kennedy run, Holy Angels led by 7 at the intermission. Oberg was much more effective after that.

Early in the second half, Kennedy made a push, eventually took the lead, and were up by as much as 5. A 14-1 Stars run flipped the momentum and Holy Angels was in front by 10 with a minute and a half remaining. Kennedy then scored 7 points  in a row to pull within three at the 30-second mark, but the Stars made four straight free throws and iced it with Isabelle Henry’s layup at the buzzer.


Sophomore Rachel Kawiecki played a crucial role in stopping Destinee Oberg.
Vascellaro scored the first bucket of the game and went on to score nine more. She was also a perfect 4-for-4 at the line. She wasn’t the only one scoring. Isabelle Henry had 16 points that were crucial, as were four threes and 18 points from senior Emma Mastre. Senior point guard Alex Walker did a nice job of distributing the ball, freshman Kassie Caron and sophomore Rebecca Little provided good minutes off the bench, and 5’11 sophomore Rachel Kawiecki was crucial in containing Oberg down low. Holy Angels was 10 of 11 at the line in the second half. Kennedy’s leading scorer Zaraya March was held to just 9 points, Husting had 14 and Isabelle Miller had 12. Oberg finished with 9. The Eagles are now winless at 0-5.

Vascellaro goes from a supporting role to center stage

The win moved Holy Angels’ record to 4-1, with their only loss coming to Iowa powerhouse Dowling Catholic. Besides Kennedy, the Stars have defeated Cretin-Derham Hall, Minnehaha Academy and the defending 3A state champions from Cooper.  Honestly, we were not expecting much from the Richfield-based team, and not just because Oberg left. Junior forward Kaylee VanDerWerf transferred home to Burnsville, leaving an even bigger hole. The graduation of Megan Meyer and Riley Thalhuber hurt as well, meaning AHA had lost four of its top five players. The onus is now on Vascellaro, Mastre, Walker and twins Isabelle and Emma Henry. All five delivered on Thursday.

“I think that last year we were not as fast-paced as a team. This year all of our players are athletic so we can really get up the court five at a time,” Vascellaro said. “That’s what has really helped us be such a good team this year, at least better than everyone thought we were going to be.  Our ability to shoot from the perimeter, shoot from mid-range and to get layups really helps us, too.”

Vascellaro has been nothing short of remarkable. In the season opener she scored the Stars first 10 points and quickly established herself as the new alpha. Frankie went on to score 24 that day and has followed it up with games of 18, 23, 15 and now 25. That’s a 21-ppg average – nearly double her output of last year – while the Henry sisters have combined for almost 24. Mastre is averaging just under 10. “Last year the offense was run a lot through Destinee. Of course there were other contributors but it was things like assists and rebounds,” Frankie said. “Now I have gone from that to taking on a bigger scoring role since there is such a big deficit with all of our players gone… Even before we found out that Destinee was leaving I knew going into this year that I was going to have to play a bigger role. I know what I have to do, and I just try to get it done every game.”

Now that teams have seen game film on the “new” Vascellaro, there has been more emphasis on defending her. Kennedy double-teamed Frankie down low as much as possible but she was still able to hit the short jumper (often with a sweet spin move) that has become her trademark. “I am aware that I do that shot quite a lot,” she said with a laugh, “but I do try to mix it up. If they are expecting it, being able to pump fake and then dish it out is really effective.”

Oberg is plagued by uncertainty

While Vascellaro is off to a sizzling start, things have not gone well for Oberg in Bloomington. The fact that Destinee played at all on Thursday is remarkable. She has been out since the second game of the season after leaving the floor in severe pain. Earlier in the day Oberg had been consulting with doctors about the possibility of having back surgery. She hadn’t practiced in 10 days but insisted on playing against her old team. For that she deserves our respect.

Prep Girls Hoops had Oberg ranked #1 in the class of 2019 for nearly three years before she was supplanted by Wayzata’s Kallie Theisen and Stillwater’s Sara Scalia. At 6’2, with a big body and nice touch, Destinee has been considered a ‘can’t miss’ prospect. I remember sitting with several Division 1 coaches at a game when she was in the 8th grade. I asked the recruiter next to me – an assistant at one of the top 5 programs in the country – what it was about Oberg that got them all so excited. “It’s her feet,” he said. “They are so light.” Then, without pause, he said this: “She’ll play in the WNBA.”

Now it is unclear what the future holds for Oberg. After choosing Arkansas from a vast array of offers, Destinee transferred to Kennedy for her senior year. She worked hard over the summer, shed a large amount of weight, and got herself in the best condition of her career. Back injuries can be so uncertain, though. If she has surgery, that will probably end her high school career. If not, she’s likely to play in pain for the next three months. That would be an unfortunate end for a player who, when healthy and fired up, is literally unstoppable.

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 07:38:28 am »

Not an encouraging report about Oberg.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 08:18:27 am »

She definitely needs to worry about her health over ANYTHING.  But if she had back surgery after high school basketball is over.  That would give her about 7-8 months before her first college game.  Never had back surgery so I do not know how long they take to heal.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 10:53:44 am »

Hate to hear this. Hope she is on the mend, one way or the other (surgery or not).
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2019, 09:54:54 am »

I an sorry for Oberg.   Tough to be really good at a sport but because of pain you are unable to play your best or may have to give it up entirely.

Mike told us he is not worried about her back. Then he is lying to himself or he knows something we don't or he is a magician because if Oberg can not compete in HS then she can not compete in the SEC.   Backs are very tricky and risky.  Wish her nothing but the best/

Any answers????     Has she had surgery? What are the doctors saying? Rehab? Rest? Surgery? Give up the sport? What is she hearing?
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2019, 09:56:06 am »

Although our class is ranked 15th, I notice that ASGR rankings don't even include Marquesha Davis. She is a great player -- highly underrated imo.
I watched her play last night against Bentonville West.  She is very athletic with a lot of talent and potential.  Although she is listed as 6' 0", she has very long arms and can definitely post up players as well as shoot from out and drive.  She was very unselfish last night - often passing up guarded shots to unguarded players who then missed the shot.  I can see why she may be unranked as she either is not aggressive at taking over a game like Chelsea or her coach does not want that done.  My only question is defense as when you play defense against players who will not play college basketball - what can you do against SEC competition.  She definitely has the potential to be in the mix and help us next year, but will have to learn a completely different offensive system and pace of play.  She can also be a great offensive rebounder.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2019, 03:00:25 pm »

I watched her play last night against Bentonville West.  She is very athletic with a lot of talent and potential.  Although she is listed as 6' 0", she has very long arms and can definitely post up players as well as shoot from out and drive.  She was very unselfish last night - often passing up guarded shots to unguarded players who then missed the shot.  I can see why she may be unranked as she either is not aggressive at taking over a game like Chelsea or her coach does not want that done.  My only question is defense as when you play defense against players who will not play college basketball - what can you do against SEC competition.  She definitely has the potential to be in the mix and help us next year, but will have to learn a completely different offensive system and pace of play.  She can also be a great offensive rebounder.

I don't know if she brings it every night but I've seen her play some pretty spectacular defense in some games. And definitely an excellent OR player.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 07:30:38 am »

I don't know if she brings it every night but I've seen her play some pretty spectacular defense in some games. And definitely an excellent OR player.
My problem was that she was not guarding someone who was an offensive threat so I never saw her go against someone with offensive skills.
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2019, 11:10:44 am »

My problem was that she was not guarding someone who was an offensive threat so I never saw her go against someone with offensive skills.

There’s only three other kids in her conference that can push her and two of them are on the same team. So if you want to see her play against someone then you gotta go to the Fayetteville game or the bentonville game. Then in state tournament you will get a few more options.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2019, 10:04:00 pm »

Highlights from Oberg’s current season dropped today on twitter. Short, but she looks okay. Maybe a little stiff, but certainly not hobbling.

https://twitter.com/CourtsideFilms/status/1084522260927516673?s=20

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2019, 10:31:29 pm »

Highlights from Oberg’s current season dropped today on twitter. Short, but she looks okay. Maybe a little stiff, but certainly not hobbling.

https://twitter.com/CourtsideFilms/status/1084522260927516673?s=20

What will her ideal playing weight?   And how long will it take to get there?  And if she does get body into SEC shape will that be like a magic pill for her back?????
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2019, 10:39:52 pm »

We need Davis to really be a big timer on the boards and physical on the inside.  I love it that she is 6' tall and I hear very athletic.
What player on our team or in women's bb does her game resemble?
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2019, 09:00:52 am »

We need Davis to really be a big timer on the boards and physical on the inside.  I love it that she is 6' tall and I hear very athletic.
What player on our team or in women's bb does her game resemble?
I have not seen her that much but I would say no one on Arkansas now, but possibly Victoria Vivians from Mississippi State who graduated last year.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2019, 10:15:10 am »

I have watched her play quite often but nobody jumps out to me as being a particularly close match. She uses her athleticism to score most of her points around the basket and she is very fast and good on breaks. She can shoot the three. Her ball handling is good but not exceptional. I haven't seen a mid-range game from her (but maybe just not in the games I have watched) so that would be a significant difference with Victoria Vivians if true.
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2019, 10:33:33 am »

I have not seen her that much but I would say no one on Arkansas now, but possibly Victoria Vivians from Mississippi State who graduated last year.

I’d definitely say we don’t have a Vivian’s on our hands. Body type is much different and Vivian’s is just a pure bucket getter. Davis is definitely more athletic than Vivian’s but in my estimation their offensive game is much different.
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2019, 10:45:18 am »

I’d definitely say we don’t have a Vivian’s on our hands. Body type is much different and Vivian’s is just a pure bucket getter. Davis is definitely more athletic than Vivian’s but in my estimation their offensive game is much different.
Well who is she like then?  I said I have not seen her much - two games in fact over the last two years. 
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2019, 11:51:11 am »

She reminds me of a Rennia Davis, but behind in terms of basketball experience. Davis is bigger (6'2") and had/has a more polished game, but the athleticism and length are similar? Maybe?

She's hard to compare...
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2019, 12:46:24 pm »

Well who is she like then?  I said I have not seen her much - two games in fact over the last two years.

She’s very hard to compare to someone. She’s one of those kids that we will compare other kids to her in the future. I’m not saying she’s a superstar or anything she’s just different in a really good way. I say she’s not comparable to Vivian’s because Vivian’s was thicker and could go into the post if need be. She was a mismatch nightmare at miss state. I don’t believe Marquesha will be strength wise big enough to go into the post against SEC defenders.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2019, 07:33:05 am »

I watched Marquesha again last night in the Springdale-Fayetteville game. Unlike what I posted earlier, she had a good mid-range game going. But she also wasn't as strong defensively as I have seen her in the past. Sasha Goforth, whom she was assigned to guard, had an easy time against her as Marquesha did not get out on her on 3's fast enough and did not fight around screens hard enough. Anyway, I think she will be a great player for us but she definitely will need to bring defensive intensity to each game.
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« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2019, 08:59:33 am »

I watched Marquesha again last night in the Springdale-Fayetteville game. Unlike what I posted earlier, she had a good mid-range game going. But she also wasn't as strong defensively as I have seen her in the past. Sasha Goforth, whom she was assigned to guard, had an easy time against her as Marquesha did not get out on her on 3's fast enough and did not fight around screens hard enough. Anyway, I think she will be a great player for us but she definitely will need to bring defensive intensity to each game.
Part of the problem is that the Fayetteville coach is a good coach while I do not think much of the Springfield coach. 
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2019, 10:19:32 am »

Part of the problem is that the Fayetteville coach is a good coach while I do not think much of the Springfield coach.
I can't really comment on the relative strengths of the coaches too much. But one thing did strike me as odd about the Springdale coach's strategy. Marquesha played without even a minute's break when at times she was clearly winded. That was part of the reason she wasn't effective guarding Sasha imo, who did get some breaks. Still, I understand you want your best player on the floor. The head scratcher to me was when at the start of the fourth quarter, with Springdale down by 40, and all of Fayetteville's starters pulled for the game, Marquesha was still playing and continued to play through much of the quarter. That made no sense to me.

At any rate, I am still very confident that Marquesha is an outstanding defender because I have seen her lock down on some great players in the past. She is athletic, has long arms, and is fast. This just wasn't her game (defensively; she did fine offensively). She is going to be a big asset for us along with the other top talent we have coming next year. It's going to be exciting to watch.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2019, 09:30:29 am »

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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2019, 06:47:37 am »

Remember this class will also include Barnum who obviously they can not talk about. but coach has said she will be eligible next year.
Where did she play this year?   Did she sit out at Arkansas or a JUCO because of grades and not practice or was a part of the team? Paid her own way?

Just curious what happened there because at 6'2 she would help this team?
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2019, 07:01:20 am »

Where did she play this year?   Did she sit out at Arkansas or a JUCO because of grades and not practice or was a part of the team? Paid her own way?

Just curious what happened there because at 6'2 she would help this team?
She has been on campus since last summer.  She practiced with the team before Italy and I think the first semester, but not the second.  I do not know what the difference is and coach is pretty closed on the subject.  I do know that they tried to get her eligible last summer and fall, but maybe the denial closed the subject for this year.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2019, 12:10:53 pm »

I an sorry for Oberg.   Tough to be really good at a sport but because of pain you are unable to play your best or may have to give it up entirely.

Mike told us he is not worried about her back. Then he is lying to himself or he knows something we don't or he is a magician because if Oberg can not compete in HS then she can not compete in the SEC.   Backs are very tricky and risky.  Wish her nothing but the best/

Any answers????     Has she had surgery? What are the doctors saying? Rehab? Rest? Surgery? Give up the sport? What is she hearing?
Even if he is very concerned, that was the only possible statement (that is not stupid) that Mike could have said. If he said he was concerned that is like telling the player, "I don't have any confidence in you."  A BIG "No No."
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2019, 10:34:57 pm »

Oberg played this year and did quite well.  She is a 2000 pt. scorer and is playing in the Minnesota North South game.  Have faith in our coaches.

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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2019, 03:43:37 pm »

Oberg played this year and did quite well.  She is a 2000 pt. scorer and is playing in the Minnesota North South game.  Have faith in our coaches.

I think Mike will take us to new heights. He will get more of the instate talent than we have ever gotten. Arkansas girls HS Basketball is always very talented unfortunately they mostly go to out of state to top 5 programs. Keep them and we will not be overmatched like we were today. Size is a thing he will have to get from somewhere but IMO he is the best recruiter we have had for the girls. And like I said his style and his way he goes about business is something you can recruit too. Northside has a great one but she is a pure point guard. Already committed.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2019, 09:21:18 am »

just wondering with the womens run to the SEC finals. if it open a chance for another big this year
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2019, 12:18:02 pm »

just wondering with the womens run to the SEC finals. if it open a chance for another big this year

Well, we'd have to free up a schollie for that. Right now, if Stout is done (as expected), Barnum is eligible (as reported), and no one else leaves, we don't have an open spot.

Should someone leave, though, and the right person is out there -- either someone who is committed to a program who changes coaches, or a grad transfer -- you'd have to think that maybe?
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2019, 08:38:31 pm »

I was fortunate to tune in to 99.5FM espn radio today at 2:00 pm to listen to the Coach Neighbors on the Average Bros Sports Radio. He is such an interesting man and we are truly blest to have him as our Ladybacks head coach. What I found so interesting was his comments about the players that we have coming in for this next basketball season. He spoke of their strengths and abilities and just how excited of not only him but of the players. We are on the right path and our future certainly looks not only bright but brilliant. Go Hogs!!
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« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2019, 08:10:05 am »

Well, we'd have to free up a schollie for that. Right now, if Stout is done (as expected), Barnum is eligible (as reported), and no one else leaves, we don't have an open spot.

Should someone leave, though, and the right person is out there -- either someone who is committed to a program who changes coaches, or a grad transfer -- you'd have to think that maybe?
Stout is playing her last year - that is why she was honored on Senior Day.
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2019, 02:28:59 pm »

I was fortunate to tune in to 99.5FM espn radio today at 2:00 pm to listen to the Coach Neighbors on the Average Bros Sports Radio. He is such an interesting man and we are truly blest to have him as our Ladybacks head coach. What I found so interesting was his comments about the players that we have coming in for this next basketball season. He spoke of their strengths and abilities and just how excited of not only him but of the players. We are on the right path and our future certainly looks not only bright but brilliant. Go Hogs!!

Thank you!  I obtained the segment for this, for any/all that are interested.  Speaks specifically about all of the new players coming next year, including the 4 signees, Amber Ramirez, and Barnum even.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/51d8rmm9j1nqfue/AvgBros-2019-03-12-CoachNeighbors.mp3?dl=0
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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2019, 05:13:30 pm »

Thank you!  I obtained the segment for this, for any/all that are interested.  Speaks specifically about all of the new players coming next year, including the 4 signees, Amber Ramirez, and Barnum even.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/51d8rmm9j1nqfue/AvgBros-2019-03-12-CoachNeighbors.mp3?dl=0

I enjoyed listening to that.  Thank you.

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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2019, 08:07:44 pm »

Thank you!  I obtained the segment for this, for any/all that are interested.  Speaks specifically about all of the new players coming next year, including the 4 signees, Amber Ramirez, and Barnum even.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/51d8rmm9j1nqfue/AvgBros-2019-03-12-CoachNeighbors.mp3?dl=0
I certainly thank you for finding the talk show segment. I listened yesterday and was impressed with the show and listening to Coach Neighbors but to be able to replay and hear the comments on the incoming players is such a bonus for us who are real Razorback fans. Again, I appreciate you doing this.   

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Re: Arkansas adds talented recruiting class.
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2019, 07:55:20 am »

I enjoyed listening to that.  Thank you.
I could not get any sound?
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