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husker71:

Many programs today had the statement in their coverage the GSW are one of the great and maybe the greatest of all time.  Your comments ladies and gentlemen.

WarPig88:


--- Quote from: husker71 on June 17, 2015, 07:23:52 pm ---Many programs today had the statement in their coverage the GSW are one of the great and maybe the greatest of all time.  Your comments ladies and gentlemen.

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An all time great team would have swept a banged up Cavs team.

HiggiePiggy:

Greatest?  No where near.   They beat a team that had 2 of its stars on the bench.

hawkhawg:

The cavs are probably the worst team in history to make the final. And after game three the cavs looked like they were going to win it all. No way is state one of the best.  They not even in the conversation.

RussVegas Hawg:

Not even remotely in the conversation of the greatest teams

Hawg Red:


--- Quote from: husker71 on June 17, 2015, 07:23:52 pm ---Many programs today had the statement in their coverage the GSW are one of the great and maybe the greatest of all time.  Your comments ladies and gentlemen.

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Which one(s) of these many programs made the claim that they were THE greatest of all time?

rude1:

Joke right? Lost 2 games in a series to a team that was without it's 2nd & 3rd best players. Not even nearly as good as the GSW team that won it back in 75.

TomBigBeeHog:

I haven't heard anyone promoting that idea

husker71:

Watch Pardon the Interuption and also spoke about the Van Pelt show.  I am totally with you guys.  I don't think Curry and Thompson could get off many 3 point shots vs Jordan and Pippen and their front line would have got killed vs the great Celtics teams.  The Pistons Bad Boys would have totally destroyed them (I would take Thomas, Dumars and Johnson vs GSW backcourt)  and the Lakers would have run them up and down the court with ease.   Just my opinion.

Hogimus Prime:

This is what sucks about sports media and media in general, they are constantly trying crown someone or some team the greatest before the person or team has won or achieved anything.  I know GSW won the NBA title, but they struggled against a Cavs team that was missing two allstars.  The rest of this Cavs team talent is on par with the team took the Finals in '07. Throw in Blatt, who looked dumbfounded most of the time

GSW had an easy road to the title.  Like I said in another thread GSW faced teams with injuries to their starting PG.  I know Conley missed a game or two but in the playoffs that is crucial.  GSW didn't have to face the Clippers or the Spurs two teams with pg's that would've gone at Curry.  Throw in the fact OKC battled injuries and missed the playoffs and there is another team that would've taken out GSW.

Compare this team GSW team to teams MJ's Bulls to now.  Can't really see this Warriors team beating any of them.  Maybe the Celtics team in '08 and that's a big maybe.  This GSW team was a fluke. I doubt they get back to the Western Conference finals next year. For as tough as the West was GSW got a lot of breaks on their run. 

Big Nasty 34:

Overall record is nice, but their finals performance definitely was not top tier worthy. Now, last year's Spurs performance was a thing of beauty and could be discussed as an all time great finals team.

ErieHog:

Probably not one of the Greatest, no.

They did win a ton of regular season games, in the strongest conference, arguably, in the history of professional basketball.   They didn't play nearly so well in the playoff-- so while a very good champion, they aren't remarkably so.

onebadrubi:

Svp and Russilo never mentioned Golden state as being one of the greatest teams in finals history or ever. 

Golden state it a great jump shooting team with possibly to be one of the greatest 3 point shooters in the league by the time his career ends.  But let's hold off a fewore years before giving him that crown just yet. 

Inhogswetrust:

Heck I don't even think they are in the top 10 greatest.

hoglady:

I liked the old Detroit Pistons "Bad Boys" mentioned above. Golden State is pretty soft - that Detroit team would have absolutely manhandled them.
And the list goes on and on of better teams. No way Golden State could have handled the Jordan/Pippen Bulls, Celtics Russell/Havlicek, Celtics Bird/McHale, Lakers Magic/Jabbar, Lakers Kobe/Shaq.
At some point, the NBA has got to get better teams in the East. The talent disparity between the East and West is just too great. I don't know how or why it's happened, but the East for the most part is horrible.

Curry does stand a chance of being one of the all time great shooters if he continues at the rate he's going and Steve Kerr proved his coaching chops during these playoffs. Made some great personnel moves in the Memphis series and the Finals.

ErieHog:


--- Quote from: hoglady on June 18, 2015, 08:49:02 am ---I liked the old Detroit Pistons "Bad Boys" mentioned above. Golden State is pretty soft - that Detroit team would have absolutely manhandled them.
And the list goes on and on of better teams. No way Golden State could have handled the Jordan/Pippen Bulls, Celtics Russell/Havlicek, Celtics Bird/McHale, Lakers Magic/Jabbar, Lakers Kobe/Shaq.
At some point, the NBA has got to get better teams in the East. The talent disparity between the East and West is just too great. I don't know how or why it's happened, but the East for the most part is horrible.

Curry does stand a chance of being one of the all time great shooters if he continues at the rate he's going and Steve Kerr proved his coaching chops during these playoffs. Made some great personnel moves in the Memphis series and the Finals.

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It all depends on rules.   The NBA game doesn't allow for old fashioned physical play, and those teams would have trouble with this style--  least so the Bulls, but they all would.   It doesn't make GS an all time great team, but it does make them a team that's helping push the boundaries of how professional basketball is played.



trashcan maN:

They finished with the 3rd most wins all time in a loaded Western Conference, but I agree, not even a top 10 all time team.

It's hard to judge a team off of one series. The performance that aging Spurs team put on last year in the Finals was one of the most dominant performances I've ever seen, but I don't think that team was an all-time great team either.

311Hog:


--- Quote from: Hogimus Prime on June 17, 2015, 09:26:23 pm ---This is what sucks about sports media and media in general, they are constantly trying crown someone or some team the greatest before the person or team has won or achieved anything.  I know GSW won the NBA title, but they struggled against a Cavs team that was missing two allstars.  The rest of this Cavs team talent is on par with the team took the Finals in '07. Throw in Blatt, who looked dumbfounded most of the time

GSW had an easy road to the title.  Like I said in another thread GSW faced teams with injuries to their starting PG.  I know Conley missed a game or two but in the playoffs that is crucial.  GSW didn't have to face the Clippers or the Spurs two teams with pg's that would've gone at Curry.  Throw in the fact OKC battled injuries and missed the playoffs and there is another team that would've taken out GSW.

Compare this team GSW team to teams MJ's Bulls to now.  Can't really see this Warriors team beating any of them.  Maybe the Celtics team in '08 and that's a big maybe.  This GSW team was a fluke. I doubt they get back to the Western Conference finals next year. For as tough as the West was GSW got a lot of breaks on their run. 

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How can anyone say GSW had an "easy road to the title" they beat the other 4 members of the 1 st team ALL Nba team on the way to the title.  No one else has ever done that.

Btw people/media are asking if this "season" is one of the all time greats not necessarily this GSW team because obviously it is just one title call back when GSW has won 2 or 3 more before that conversation starts.

But i do think this was one of the all time great seasons by a team.  You have 3rd most regular season wins, they beat the west the toughest side of the NBA by 12 games, Curry got the MVP, a vet role player got the Finals MVP, also factor in the drought for the franchise and the rookie head coach and they beat as i said all other members of the All NBA first team including arguably the current best player in the world.  People can bad mouth the cavs reserves but nothing can be done about injury and i honestly believe the GSW would have won even if they had Love and Irving it just would have surely gone 7 games, but that is also obviously debatable but in no way "easy" you must be crazy to think what GSW did was easy.

Hogimus Prime:


--- Quote from: 311Hog on June 18, 2015, 10:05:10 am ---How can anyone say GSW had an "easy road to the title" they beat the other 4 members of the 1 st team ALL Nba team on the way to the title.  No one else has ever done that.

Btw people/media are asking if this "season" is one of the all time greats not necessarily this GSW team because obviously it is just one title call back when GSW has won 2 or 3 more before that conversation starts.

But i do think this was one of the all time great seasons by a team.  You have 3rd most regular season wins, they beat the west the toughest side of the NBA by 12 games, Curry got the MVP, a vet role player got the Finals MVP, also factor in the drought for the franchise and the rookie head coach and they beat as i said all other members of the All NBA first team including arguably the current best player in the world.  People can bad mouth the cavs reserves but nothing can be done about injury and i honestly believe the GSW would have won even if they had Love and Irving it just would have surely gone 7 games, but that is also obviously debatable but in no way "easy" you must be crazy to think what GSW did was easy.

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Going to have agree to disagree. 

WarPig88:


--- Quote from: 311Hog on June 18, 2015, 10:05:10 am ---How can anyone say GSW had an "easy road to the title" they beat the other 4 members of the 1 st team ALL Nba team on the way to the title.  No one else has ever done that.

Btw people/media are asking if this "season" is one of the all time greats not necessarily this GSW team because obviously it is just one title call back when GSW has won 2 or 3 more before that conversation starts.

But i do think this was one of the all time great seasons by a team.  You have 3rd most regular season wins, they beat the west the toughest side of the NBA by 12 games, Curry got the MVP, a vet role player got the Finals MVP, also factor in the drought for the franchise and the rookie head coach and they beat as i said all other members of the All NBA first team including arguably the current best player in the world.  People can bad mouth the cavs reserves but nothing can be done about injury and i honestly believe the GSW would have won even if they had Love and Irving it just would have surely gone 7 games, but that is also obviously debatable but in no way "easy" you must be crazy to think what GSW did was easy.

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Cavs would have won if they just had Irving available. It's not as if they were getting blown out in the games that they lost.

Lando Calrissian:

They're easily one of the most likable teams of all time.  Top 10 "best" team of all-time, probably not.

Darth Piggy:

Not even as good as the Run TMC teams. Tim, mitch, and Chris would dominate and they didn't even sniff a title.

bigred223:

Many of you seem to be discounting the fact that they were dominate all season in a western conference that was possibly the strongest it has ever been.

Adam Stokes:


--- Quote from: bigred223 on June 18, 2015, 05:28:03 pm ---Many of you seem to be discounting the fact that they were dominate all season in a western conference that was possibly the strongest it has ever been.

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Yep.  Anyone who watched GS during any series but the Finals could would argue that they were one of the best.  2nd highest ELO rating ever I think.  LeBron just threw off their flow.  Still think they should've swept the Cavs.

hawkhawg:


--- Quote from: bigred223 on June 18, 2015, 05:28:03 pm ---Many of you seem to be discounting the fact that they were dominate all season in a western conference that was possibly the strongest it has ever been.

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The western conference started out as one of the toughest ever but by the end of the season it had fallen off.   
The warriors are a very good team but it is hard for me to put them as one of the best with Jordan's Bulls, Kobe's lakers, magic's lakers, bird's celtics or Duncan's spurs.
I would have trouble putting them in same class as Heat. They had trouble beating Lebron with this group of nobodies. No way would they beat lebron with a real team.
I'm not discounting what they did in the season. They were very good. But we will see how things play out in the next couple of years before we put them with the best ever.

Hogfaniam:

Dumars would've made Curry his bish. 

mbgrulz:

The Warriors absolutely had a season for the ages. You don't win that many games plus the title, and scoff at it. They were approaching the 72 win Bulls team for crying out loud!

The jury is out on them being an all-time great team. They need 2-3 more titles before people will give them that consideration.

mbgrulz:


--- Quote from: Darth Piggy on June 18, 2015, 04:42:48 pm ---Not even as good as the Run TMC teams. Tim, mitch, and Chris would dominate and they didn't even sniff a title.

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Oh good lord!



WarPig88:

I love Golden State and Steph Curry, but no way in Hades would this team even be in my top 5 teams of just my lifetime.

The 76'ers with Malone and Dr J would have killed this team. Magic's Lakers would have as well as Bird's Celtics.

Both the Bad Boy Pistons and Larry Brown's Pistons would have shut them down.

Golden State had a great season. An all time season, but I think the West is overrated with a majority of it's teams built for the regular season and not post season excellence.


husker71:

67 Sixers maybe the best for 1 season and then injuries killed them.  Luke Jackson was Tristan Thomas ++  Wilt, Wali Jones, Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy Cunningham off the bench.  One of my personal favorites.   Later in the years just for fun I would like to see Curry and Thompson vs Lloyd Free and Doug Collins   what a shoot out that would be.

lefty08:

That's just rhetoric the LeBron's army is using to prove his greatest of all time nonsense

Both are laughable imo

hvsupastar:

2001 Lakers, 1996 Bulls, 1992 Bulls, 1983 sixers, 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers, Bad Boy pistons off the top of my head would all beat this GSW team in 5 or less

LAHogfan123:


--- Quote from: husker71 on June 17, 2015, 09:19:23 pm ---Watch Pardon the Interuption and also spoke about the Van Pelt show.  I am totally with you guys.  I don't think Curry and Thompson could get off many 3 point shots vs Jordan and Pippen and their front line would have got killed vs the great Celtics teams.  The Pistons Bad Boys would have totally destroyed them (I would take Thomas, Dumars and Johnson vs GSW backcourt)  and the Lakers would have run them up and down the court with ease.   Just my opinion.

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Every team you just mentioned would have swept Golden State with ease, and I've not heard anyone mentioning them as one of the greatest teams.  Several teams of the 80's and any of the Jordan led Bull teams would have swept them with Pippen.

LAHogfan123:


--- Quote from: WarPig88 on June 18, 2015, 02:40:19 pm ---Cavs would have won if they just had Irving available. It's not as if they were getting blown out in the games that they lost.

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I think they would have won easily with Irving and Anderson Varejao, I don't think they missed Kevin Love as much as Varejao.

LAHogfan123:


--- Quote from: hvsupastar on June 19, 2015, 10:03:00 pm ---2001 Lakers, 1996 Bulls, 1992 Bulls, 1983 sixers, 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers, Bad Boy pistons off the top of my head would all beat this GSW team in 5 or less

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Agreed.

LAHogfan123:


--- Quote from: mbgrulz on June 19, 2015, 01:16:58 pm ---The Warriors absolutely had a season for the ages. You don't win that many games plus the title, and scoff at it. They were approaching the 72 win Bulls team for crying out loud!

The jury is out on them being an all-time great team. They need 2-3 more titles before people will give them that consideration.

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  Who out West was so dominant this year?  Where's the Laker's?  The Spurs were not the same team they were last year.  Where was Dallas?  They've been slipping but seem to always make a series of it during the playoffs, but that's about it.  Where was Oklahoma City this year?  All of the power house teams out West wasn't there usual selves this year, I don't see the big comparison your giving Golden State to The Bulls historic Season of winning 72.  Go back and look at what the now weak East then had, and what the West had, and it was a far saltier group then than now.

Golden State did in the end raise the trophy, can they do so again, let's see.  But without a depleted Cleveland team they wouldn't have done so this year, and I'm not a big fan of LBJ, but the injury to Irving and Verajeo to start their Season off hurt them, and I wouldn't have minded seeing Verajeo win a ring, guy plays with a lot of hustle to make up for a lack of superior basketball skills.

onebadrubi:


--- Quote from: LAHogfan123 on June 22, 2015, 11:33:11 am ---Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  Who out West was so dominant this year?  Where's the Laker's?  The Spurs were not the same team they were last year.  Where was Dallas?  They've been slipping but seem to always make a series of it during the playoffs, but that's about it.  Where was Oklahoma City this year?  All of the power house teams out West wasn't there usual selves this year, I don't see the big comparison your giving Golden State to The Bulls historic Season of winning 72.  Go back and look at what the now weak East then had, and what the West had, and it was a far saltier group then than now.

Golden State did in the end raise the trophy, can they do so again, let's see.  But without a depleted Cleveland team they wouldn't have done so this year, and I'm not a big fan of LBJ, but the injury to Irving and Verajeo to start their Season off hurt them, and I wouldn't have minded seeing Verajeo win a ring, guy plays with a lot of hustle to make up for a lack of superior basketball skills.

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Trail blazers were very good until late in the season when injuries got them.  Memphis was dominant, spurs were still the spurs and you did not go into a game with them expecting to roll them, houston go come out of no where and burn you.  Clippers were not bad during the season. 

husker71:

Is anybody else intrigued with the Lakers pick at #2??   

ErieHog:


--- Quote from: husker71 on June 22, 2015, 12:04:52 pm ---Is anybody else intrigued with the Lakers pick at #2??   

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Not overly.  It looks like they're going to overpay Dwayne Wade, and take Okafor.   Still, they're the Lakers, and can afford mistakes like those.

onebadrubi:


--- Quote from: ErieHog on June 22, 2015, 12:37:00 pm ---Not overly.  It looks like they're going to overpay Dwayne Wade, and take Okafor.   Still, they're the Lakers, and can afford mistakes like those.

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Is it just me or Okafor at the number 2 pick for the lakers is a waste?  They have randel who will be great I really do believe.  Why would you waste a number 2 pick on the same exact position as you have a top pick already?  Get someone that supports that, wade (assuming you get him), and the young guys you have.

ErieHog:


--- Quote from: onebadrubi on June 22, 2015, 12:41:56 pm ---Is it just me or Okafor at the number 2 pick for the lakers is a waste?  They have randel who will be great I really do believe.  Why would you waste a number 2 pick on the same exact position as you have a top pick already?  Get someone that supports that, wade (assuming you get him), and the young guys you have.

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They don't project as the same position in the NBA.  Okafor is a true 5, and they'll play Randle at the 4.    Mind, its going to screw up their spacing for the next 10 years, but hey, I'm for it.      The Lakers have terrible management who aren't keeping up with the direction of the NBA.

mbgrulz:


--- Quote from: LAHogfan123 on June 22, 2015, 11:33:11 am ---Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  Who out West was so dominant this year?  Where's the Laker's?  The Spurs were not the same team they were last year.  Where was Dallas?  They've been slipping but seem to always make a series of it during the playoffs, but that's about it.  Where was Oklahoma City this year?  All of the power house teams out West wasn't there usual selves this year, I don't see the big comparison your giving Golden State to The Bulls historic Season of winning 72.  Go back and look at what the now weak East then had, and what the West had, and it was a far saltier group then than now.

Golden State did in the end raise the trophy, can they do so again, let's see.  But without a depleted Cleveland team they wouldn't have done so this year, and I'm not a big fan of LBJ, but the injury to Irving and Verajeo to start their Season off hurt them, and I wouldn't have minded seeing Verajeo win a ring, guy plays with a lot of hustle to make up for a lack of superior basketball skills.

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There are a lot of people who would argue that the western conference was extremely good this year. You failed to mention that while the traditional powers like the lakers were way down, you had teams like Houston and the Cippers have really good teams this year. The NBA as a product is very good right now. Some people will always be bound by nostalgia, and I'm no different, but by and large the league is very entertaining and players are very good. A much better league the 2000's gave us.

onebadrubi:


--- Quote from: ErieHog on June 22, 2015, 12:45:32 pm ---They don't project as the same position in the NBA.  Okafor is a true 5, and they'll play Randle at the 4.    Mind, its going to screw up their spacing for the next 10 years, but hey, I'm for it.      The Lakers have terrible management who aren't keeping up with the direction of the NBA.

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Yes, but they are both offensive guys and defensive liabilities, more so Okafor though.  Wouldn't you agree?

ErieHog:


--- Quote from: onebadrubi on June 22, 2015, 12:51:29 pm ---Yes, but they are both offensive guys and defensive liabilities, more so Okafor though.  Wouldn't you agree?

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Randle will be fine as an NBA defender.  Okafor has the most promising post offensive skills since Howard entered the league, and none of his hard-headed refusal to be used in optimal P&R situations.       Okafor can be a league average defender, sometday.    Randle has elements that may make him an aspirant to league average offense for his position.

The problem isn't so much skill set for either, as era.    They're players built for the 1980s, playing in a game 30 years more advanced.  Good luck running a Horns set with those guys.

EastexHawg:


--- Quote from: husker71 on June 17, 2015, 09:19:23 pm ---I don't think Curry and Thompson could get off many 3 point shots vs Jordan and Pippen and their front line would have got killed vs the great Celtics teams.

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Golden State is nowhere near one of the greatest teams of all time, but Curry is not only an exceptional shooter...but he has an incredibly quick release.  There is no winding up, gathering himself, stepping into it, and shooting.  Bang...it's out of his hands and gone in a flash.

onebadrubi:


--- Quote from: EastexHawg on June 22, 2015, 01:54:32 pm ---Golden State is nowhere near one of the greatest teams of all time, but Curry is not only an exceptional shooter...but he has an incredibly quick release.  There is no winding up, gathering himself, stepping into it, and shooting.  Bang...it's out of his hands and gone in a flash.

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Something many won't consider when discussing this topic is it was a different game and ref'd from the Jordan era to now. 

EastexHawg:


--- Quote from: Lando Calrissian on June 18, 2015, 04:27:11 pm ---They're easily one of the most likable teams of all time.

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Yep.  It's nice having a league MVP who is humble, educated, and well spoken.  The fact that he doesn't look like a billboard for Golden Dragon Tattoo Shop and the Piercing Palace is gravy.

Iguadala, Thompson, and Steve Kerr were also refreshing interviews.

311Hog:

Wonder what everyone's take on this thread is now? GS looking pretty good.

ErieHog:


--- Quote from: 311Hog on December 06, 2015, 11:45:42 pm ---Wonder what everyone's take on this thread is now? GS looking pretty good.

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They still have a good way to go;  this is a league that's seen multiple teams string together 3 or more titles in a row, after all, and they're not even half way to their second yet.

Pump the brakes, and revisit in another 24 months.

Adam Stokes:

If we are talking specific years, then Golden State's season last year is up there with one of the best even though they had an easy path in the playoffs, but this year will blow any individual one out of the water.  Looking at the stats, Curry's player efficiency rating is over 35 so far this season.  Jordan never had a year over 31.  If they can continue it for 5+ years they will be up with Jordan as far as an era is concerned (and that is obviously too far away to speculate,) but they are indeed playing better now than any team in history, and it's really not close.  This fivethirtyeight article will help you appreciate just how crazy Curry has been playing, and he has shot 15-24 from 3 in the two road games since the article was published. 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/

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