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Conference champs and the committee
« on: January 02, 2015, 01:33:37 pm »

       Will the FSU performance, or lack of, give the committee more wiggle room in the future if they really believe they have a conference champion who really isn't good enough?
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 01:37:40 pm »

       Will the FSU performance, or lack of, give the committee more wiggle room in the future if they really believe they have a conference champion who really isn't good enough?

Conference championship didn't matter for FSU. It was the fact that they won it all last year and they went undefeated this year. One loss would have been enough to get a Big 12 team in over them.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2015, 01:48:07 pm »

Conference champion was just one explanation to avoid saying they couldn't distinguish between TCU and Baylor and weren't going to leave out undefeated in two seasons FSU.  TCU and BU didn't distinguish themselves from each other.  TCU had a better non conf win and BU a worse in conference loss but beat TCU.  It didn't matter if one was declared a champion.  Plus the ACC may have been better than the B12 and had a good last weekend.  One of the P5 champs was getting left out.  If Miss St had managed to only have lost at Bama, they may have gotten in over Ohio State.  But the committee wasn't going to pick TCU or Baylor once Oh St won the B1G and gave them an out. 

Conference champion gives them an out when they are having to pick the last team.  Next season, some scenario like UCLA and USC go unbeaten till they play each other and UCLA wins and goes on to beat Oregon for the conference championship.  USC has already beaten the Ducks in the regular season and the ACC and B12 champs are 1-2 loss teams not FSU, OU or Texas.  Playoff Oh St, UCLA, SEC Ch, USC.  Conference champion wouldn't be a factor.  The programs pushing for it are the lesser brand teams.  GT or Ok St or K St would likely see what TCU and BU did this season.  Conf champ would factor if it was USC vs one of the big brands who won their conference or the SEC champ. 
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2015, 01:51:41 pm »

What really hurt tcu and baylor was the fact that ohio state beat wisconsin by 59 points with their 3rd string qb.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2015, 02:00:58 pm »

Conference championship didn't matter for FSU. It was the fact that they won it all last year and they went undefeated this year. One loss would have been enough to get a Big 12 team in over them.

This.

There was not really any choice for the committee with FSU.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2015, 07:37:36 pm »

FSU was undefeated, the only major school that could claim that. The results of the playoff games show that the committee did a good job. I hate tosu but they won a conference champuonship while the conference champion of the little 12 got beat in their bowl(Baylor won head to head, by their conference rules that made them champions).

The bowl games also proved that there are 4 Power Conferences, not 5. The little twelve should be disolved immediately and the top teams spread among the power 4. Then you could have a 4 team playoff with no whiners from the little 12. Texas and ou may never be seen again fighting through a real conference schedule but that is just a side benefit not the driving factor....
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2015, 07:41:15 pm »

I would say FSU getting beat by 39 doesn't show that the committee did a good job, TCU/Oregon would have been the better matchup.  Having 0 losses shouldn't always be an automatic bid to the playoffs
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 07:58:28 pm »

Defending national champio undefeated. Actually won their conference. Won a conference championship game.

I could have seen an argument for Baylor as by the little 12 rules they would have been the conference champion but they lost their bowl. No doubt TCU was better in their bowl but their abomination of a conference claimed "1 true champion" until they wanted TCU in over Baylor.
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KennyForAD

Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 08:07:27 pm »

The ONLY time a team should get in without being conference champion is if their conference champion is in and they are clearly better than other conference champions - like Bama and LSU a few years ago. 

Playoffs get us AWAY from opinions and polls and other nonsense.  Expand it to 8, let in 5 conference champs and 3 at large and it will finally be right.

This year:

BAMA
FSU
OSU
OREGON
TCU
BAYLOR
MISS State
MICH State

No complaints.  True champion.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 08:27:36 pm »

The only change I would make Kenny is the conference championship winner gets an automatic bid. That would make it the Power 4, which is reality, and still give teams without a real conference, TCU and Baylor, a way in.
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KennyForAD

Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 08:29:58 pm »

The only change I would make Kenny is the conference championship winner gets an automatic bid. That would make it the Power 4, which is reality, and still give teams without a real conference, TCU and Baylor, a way in.

That would suffice.  8 is enough.  4 isn't.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2015, 09:14:01 am »

Eight teams....five conference champs.... Committee selects one conference champ for non-power conferences (Boise this year).... That gives everyone a shot to get in.

Two at-large selections and you're good to go.

First round at home field of top four teams, then bowl sites.

This makes so much sense that it will probably take several years for the brilliant POTB to figure it out.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2015, 10:12:38 am »

Jeff Long and committee nailed it on selection! They got it RIGHT!
In all but Big 12-2=10 conference Jeff and committee are National Heros.
Razorback program on the way up and Jeff, Brett and others got Ark looking very good in National Spot Light!
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2015, 10:22:32 am »

Sub OU for Baylor and Texas for TCU and the Big 12 would had a rep in the playoffs.  TCU and Baylor for years were doormats and not a national brand.  If they show consistent staying power then in the coming years they will get in otherwise they become yesterday's news.  The NCAA must expand to 8 teams for a true national playoff. 
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2015, 04:54:57 pm »

The little 12 needs to grow up into a big time conference with a championship game. Right now they don't really fit in, not good enough to be Power 4 but probably too much to be whatever that next grouping is. If they played a championship game and TCU had won that they might have knocked tOSU out. The problem is the conference rules stated that the head to head result was the tie breaker and TCU and Baylor might have been in the same division so Baylor would have gone to the conference championship game. TCU really had no basis for their argument, Baylor did.

The world does not revolve around TX.
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2015, 04:57:59 pm »

Sub OU for Baylor and Texas for TCU and the Big 12 would had a rep in the playoffs.  TCU and Baylor for years were doormats and not a national brand.  If they show consistent staying power then in the coming years they will get in otherwise they become yesterday's news.  The NCAA must expand to 8 teams for a true national playoff. 

Or at least six
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Re: Conference champs and the committee
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 05:37:05 pm »

I would say FSU getting beat by 39 doesn't show that the committee did a good job, TCU/Oregon would have been the better matchup.  Having 0 losses shouldn't always be an automatic bid to the playoffs
It's easy in hindsight to say TCU/Oregon would have been better. But you don't know how that would have turned out. I agree that 0 losses shouldn't be an automatic bid, but the game did get away from FSU. Oregon isn't invincible (see Arizona). You just never know, especially after a 3-4 week layoff.
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