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Kelvin Sampson about to start
« on: March 24, 2019, 07:48:06 pm »

I don't expect any changes to happen, but if Sampson's season ends tonight it might bring things to a head faster.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2019, 07:48:56 pm »

It would be nice if he were our next head coach. But we’d probably succeed then so I know it won’t happen

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2019, 07:49:08 pm »

I have a feeling we'll be waiting another weekend

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2019, 07:51:28 pm »

I've got them in my Elite Eight.

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2019, 07:58:41 pm »

If Buzz's team holds out this last 3 minutes, you would have Beard, Buzz, and Kelvin all in the Sweet 16, which could end up pricing all 3 out.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2019, 08:03:46 pm »

If Buzz's team holds out this last 3 minutes, you would have Beard, Buzz, and Kelvin all in the Sweet 16, which could end up pricing all 3 out.

Spend money to make money. If they win they will make the athletic department money. Right? It’s an invemstment.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2019, 08:06:16 pm »

Spend money to make money. If they win they will make the athletic department money. Right? It’s an invemstment.

It's an interesting position as a fan. One the one hand you want that team to win as an accomplishment for your potential coach. On the other hand it does drive up the price (you hope not too high).
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2019, 08:21:57 pm »

He's going up against a very good young coach tonight as well.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2019, 09:48:26 pm »

If Buzz's team holds out this last 3 minutes, you would have Beard, Buzz, and Kelvin all in the Sweet 16, which could end up pricing all 3 out.

Sampson can be bought and we have an in.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2019, 09:58:25 pm »

Sampson can be bought and we have an in.

Sampson works for a billionaire. Not so sure he can be bought by us.

Not to mention the guy is 64 with a checkered past. A lot of fans aren't desperate enough to skim the gutter to win in basketball.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2019, 10:00:21 pm »

Not to mention the guy is 64 with a checkered past. A lot of fans aren't desperate enough to skim the gutter to win in basketball.

And that’s probably our biggest problem as a program

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2019, 10:11:55 pm »

Announcers mentioning Sampson in the conversation for National COY.  The further they advance the slimmer the odds of seeing him as an option for the Hogs, IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2019, 10:12:55 pm »

Announcers mentioning Sampson in the conversation for National COY.  The further they advance the slimmer the odds of seeing him as an option for the Hogs, IMO.

Almost no chance he would come here anyway.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2019, 10:15:24 pm »

Almost no chance he would come here anyway.

Rumors were his people already told our people he wanted the job should it come open. 

Houston isn’t going to pay him 3mill.  Arkansas might. 

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2019, 10:15:27 pm »

And that’s probably our biggest problem as a program

One of our biggest problems as a program is the constant refrain that no highly-thought of coach would come here.

What does that say about Mike?

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2019, 10:16:31 pm »

Announcers mentioning Sampson in the conversation for National COY.  The further they advance the slimmer the odds of seeing him as an option for the Hogs, IMO.

If he does win that award, expect Houston (Tilman Fertitta) to up him to $4.5 million to $5 million.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2019, 10:18:47 pm »

If he does win that award, expect Houston (Tilman Fertitta) to up him to $4.5 million to $5 million.

Extremely unlikely. That would be more than they paid Holgerson. Fetitta didn't pony up for Tom Herman. Illogical to see him pony up for Kelvin Sampson
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2019, 10:20:20 pm »

If he does win that award, expect Houston (Tilman Fertitta) to up him to $4.5 million to $5 million.

I highly doubt that he will get that much from Houston. 
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2019, 10:20:40 pm »

Extremely unlikely

Houston's basketball program is the big thing for Fertitta.

He will give it what it needs.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2019, 10:22:51 pm »

Houston won, so Sampson coaches at least through Friday.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2019, 10:26:07 pm »

Why would he want to come to the Hogs? Just curious.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2019, 10:27:26 pm »

Why would he want to come to the Hogs? Just curious.
Wants to coach in the SEC.  Think I heard that, anyway.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2019, 10:27:33 pm »

Houston's basketball program is the big thing for Fertitta.

He will give it what it needs.

Houston Rockets yes. The Houston Cougar are a side interest. He wouldn’t even pony up to keep HY as AD.

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2019, 10:29:54 pm »

I highly doubt that he will get that much from Houston. 

Fertitta has already given $20 million to their basketball program.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2016/8/25/Fertitta_Pledges_20_Million_to_Basketball_Arena_Renovation.aspx

You think he is going to sit back and let their successful basketball coach go?
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2019, 10:33:45 pm »

Fertitta has already given $20 million to their basketball program.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2016/8/25/Fertitta_Pledges_20_Million_to_Basketball_Arena_Renovation.aspx

You think he is going to sit back and let their successful basketball coach go?

Yes.

You expect him to pony up 15-20 million on a contract with a 63 year old coach. Get real
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2019, 10:35:12 pm »

And that’s probably our biggest problem as a program

Dumb.

Look at what the fake investigation and penalties did to us under Nolan. We are not a program in any sport that handle setbacks like that.

We have never hired a blatant cheater here. I doubt that start by hiring a senior citizen cheater.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2019, 10:36:17 pm »

Houston Rockets yes. The Houston Cougar are a side interest. He wouldn’t even pony up to keep HY as AD.

He built them a new arena but he wouldn't spend money to keep the coach it was built for. Sounds like a lot of the logic around here.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2019, 10:37:08 pm »

He built them a new arena but he wouldn't spend money to keep the coach it was built for. Sounds like a lot of the logic around here.

Who would you hire
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2019, 10:39:11 pm »

Dumb.

Look at what the fake investigation and penalties did to us under Nolan. We are not a program in any sport that handle setbacks like that.

We have never hired a blatant cheater here. I doubt that start by hiring a senior citizen cheater.

Geez, wouldn’t want to face those penalties again. We might be an irrelevant basketball program

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2019, 10:40:02 pm »

Who would you hire

So now it's who would I hire instead of Sampson's guy at Houston wouldn't pony up to keep him?

Stay on subject. The people I would hire won't even be considered. You would do well to get ready for a flavor of the week up and comer or a has been.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2019, 10:42:35 pm »

Geez, wouldn’t want to face those penalties again. We might be an irrelevant basketball program

It doesn't take much here is the point. The penalties were withdrawn but the investigation itself crushed recruiting at the time. It drug out nearly 3 seasons and did make us a regional program as Calipari put it at the time.

Frustrating that you don't recognize that. That is one thing the PTB get right around here. They don't allow it because they know the consequences.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2019, 10:45:28 pm »

So now it's who would I hire instead of Sampson's guy at Houston wouldn't pony up to keep him?

Stay on subject. The people I would hire won't even be considered. You would do well to get ready for a flavor of the week up and comer or a has been.

Give me some names. You piss on every message board candidate mentioned. Give me you list of who would be a good hire. Heck one name

You’ve already said Sampson won’t get hired because we have never hired a cheater. So it’s is relevant
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2019, 10:47:14 pm »

Who would you hire

He’d rather miss the tourney the next 5 years with MA.

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2019, 10:48:35 pm »

He’d rather miss the tourney the next 5 years with MA.

Or make it 3 out of the next 8 years with no sweet 16 appearances.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2019, 10:52:33 pm »

It doesn't take much here is the point. The penalties were withdrawn but the investigation itself crushed recruiting at the time. It drug out nearly 3 seasons and did make us a regional program as Calipari put it at the time.

Frustrating that you don't recognize that. That is one thing the PTB get right around here. They don't allow it because they know the consequences.

1.  We are so irrelevant as a basketball program now that I don’t care if we risk it.  If we don’t have to, great.  Bring in that coach but the current one isn’t going to get it done. 

2.  Even if we get slapped by the “consequences”, how will it be any worse than where we are now

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2019, 10:56:12 pm »

Who would you hire

From just a coaching standpoint, the following are the best options.

Bill Self   3 Final Fours
Ben Howland   3 Final Fours
Lon Kruger   2 Final Fours
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2019, 10:56:48 pm »

Fertitta has already given $20 million to their basketball program.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2016/8/25/Fertitta_Pledges_20_Million_to_Basketball_Arena_Renovation.aspx

You think he is going to sit back and let their successful basketball coach go?

You are guessing for the sake of guessing. 
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2019, 10:59:04 pm »

So now it's who would I hire instead of Sampson's guy at Houston wouldn't pony up to keep him?

Stay on subject. The people I would hire won't even be considered. You would do well to get ready for a flavor of the week up and comer or a has been.

Man, you twisted that one smoothly, NOT. 

Houston does not have the money or revenue Arkansas does.  It makes sense for Arkansas to have a higher paid coach than Houston, especially in basketball. 
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2019, 11:00:01 pm »

Give me some names. You piss on every message board candidate mentioned. Give me you list of who would be a good hire. Heck one name

You’ve already said Sampson won’t get hired because we have never hired a cheater. So it’s is relevant

Actually I only piss on the bs candidates. Look around the SEC and show me the hires that have worked out at the level you want the program to be. Check their backgrounds.

Check a candidate's current salary. If they make 3 mil or less we have a shot. If not, don't bring them up.

I will take an up and comer as long as he has truly done things no one at his school has ever accomplished or not accomplished in a long time. We should be able to pay them ok.

Guys that don't fit the above bill, Musselman at Nevada. He isn't doing anything Mark Fox didn't in the recent past. Matt McMahon at Murray St. Same thing.

Nate Oats at Buffalo. He was on staff when Hurley turned the program around. He has taken the program beyond where he found it and beyond anything they have ever achieved on a national scale as a program. His base salary is 600k, his buyout would be 1 million.

That's just an example. There are others but this should be enough for you start pissing on.

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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2019, 11:00:05 pm »

From just a coaching standpoint, the following are the best options.

Bill Self   3 Final Fours
Ben Howland   3 Final Fours
Lon Kruger   2 Final Fours

We ALL know who you’d hire.

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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2019, 11:01:27 pm »

Man, you twisted that one smoothly, NOT. 

Houston does not have the money or revenue Arkansas does.  It makes sense for Arkansas to have a higher paid coach than Houston, especially in basketball.

They built there new arena for Sampson. Money will not be an issue in keeping him as long as he is earning it.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2019, 11:01:47 pm »

Actually I only piss on the bs candidates. Look around the SEC and show me the hires that have worked out at the level you want the program to be. Check their backgrounds.

Check a candidate's current salary. If they make 3 mil or less we have a shot. If not, don't bring them up.

I will take an up and comer as long as he has truly done things no one at his school has ever accomplished or not accomplished in a long time. We should be able to pay them ok.

Guys that don't fit the above bill, Musselman at Nevada. He isn't doing anything Mark Fox didn't in the recent past. Matt McMahon at Murray St. Same thing.

Nate Oats at Buffalo. He was on staff when Hurley turned the program around. He has taken the program beyond where he found it and beyond anything they have ever achieved on a national scale as a program. His base salary is 600k, his buyout would be 1 million.

That's just an example. There are others but this should be enough for you start pissing on.

You just listed guys you wouldn’t hire other than maybe Oats but if his name was mentioned among people that may actually know something you’d probably piss on him too. That wasn’t the question.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2019, 11:02:39 pm »

Actually I only piss on the bs candidates. Look around the SEC and show me the hires that have worked out at the level you want the program to be. Check their backgrounds.

Check a candidate's current salary. If they make 3 mil or less we have a shot. If not, don't bring them up.

I will take an up and comer as long as he has truly done things no one at his school has ever accomplished or not accomplished in a long time. We should be able to pay them ok.

Guys that don't fit the above bill, Musselman at Nevada. He isn't doing anything Mark Fox didn't in the recent past. Matt McMahon at Murray St. Same thing.

Nate Oats at Buffalo. He was on staff when Hurley turned the program around. He has taken the program beyond where he found it and beyond anything they have ever achieved on a national scale as a program. His base salary is 600k, his buyout would be 1 million.

That's just an example. There are others but this should be enough for you start pissing on.

I would take Oats tomorrow without even having a search.
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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2019, 11:06:30 pm »

We ALL know who you’d hire.

In major college basketball, up and comers rarely pan out (just see Stan Heath and Mike Anderson).

Self, Howland, and Kruger have shown that they can coach at an elite level.
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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2019, 11:06:46 pm »

Fertitta has already given $20 million to their basketball program.

https://uhcougars.com/news/2016/8/25/Fertitta_Pledges_20_Million_to_Basketball_Arena_Renovation.aspx

You think he is going to sit back and let their successful basketball coach go?

So what. Bud gave the Hogs in the early 90’s fifteen million. Probably worth more time value wise as Fertitta’s twenty.
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« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2019, 11:12:05 pm »

So what. Bud gave the Hogs in the early 90’s fifteen million. Probably worth more time value wise as Fertitta’s twenty.

I don't remember Bud having hired Nolan. That is the case with Houston.
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« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2019, 11:12:24 pm »

I think Nate Oats would be worth a long look myself. Of the up-and-comers, he'd have to be at the top.
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2019, 11:13:22 pm »

Actually I only piss on the bs candidates. Look around the SEC and show me the hires that have worked out at the level you want the program to be. Check their backgrounds.

Check a candidate's current salary. If they make 3 mil or less we have a shot. If not, don't bring them up.

I will take an up and comer as long as he has truly done things no one at his school has ever accomplished or not accomplished in a long time. We should be able to pay them ok.

Guys that don't fit the above bill, Musselman at Nevada. He isn't doing anything Mark Fox didn't in the recent past. Matt McMahon at Murray St. Same thing.

Nate Oats at Buffalo. He was on staff when Hurley turned the program around. He has taken the program beyond where he found it and beyond anything they have ever achieved on a national scale as a program. His base salary is 600k, his buyout would be 1 million.

That's just an example. There are others but this should be enough for you start pissing on.

Musselman took Nevada to a Sweet 16 that is more than Mark Fox did. But I digress. He also had to build Nevada as it was in terrible shape when he took it over.

I don’t have an issue with Nate Oats. I think it’s a fine candidate to mention. However, I am interested your reasons for him and not McMahon. As Oats took over a Buffalo program from Bobby Hurley that was is good shape. Making the NCAAt in his last year. Similar to McMahon taking over for Prohm
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Re: Kelvin Sampson about to start
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2019, 11:14:15 pm »

In major college basketball, up and comers rarely pan out (just see Stan Heath and Mike Anderson).

Self, Howland, and Kruger have shown that they can coach at an elite level.

You realize all three you mentioned were head coaches at a small school or should I say stepping stones before they got the big jobs. In other words they could be considered up and comers at one time. Nobody starts at the top. Our two best coaches ever were up and comers before being hired here.
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« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2019, 11:28:34 pm »

Musselman took Nevada to a Sweet 16 that is more than Mark Fox did. But I digress. He also had to build Nevada as it was in terrible shape when he took it over.

I get sick of hearing about tournament records. Musselman has also been a first round loser twice in 3 tries with basically the same team. That just tells me what we all should already know, the matchup you draw is the most important thing in a tournament environment.

Mark Fox won 74% of his games at Nevada. Musselman is marginally better and won 24 games his first season at Nevada. He hasn't rebuilt anything.
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