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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2019, 03:28:20 pm »

I don't think bowl game stats counted back then.  That is a fairly recent development.

Ah, did not realize that. Thank you.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2019, 03:29:08 pm »

He only got three seasons because back then freshmen were ineligible.

They were 10 game regular seasons.  They didn't have 11 game seasons until around 1970.  But yes, counting the bowl games, he played in 11 games two of his three years.

My point is that he set the record playing in fewer games than most of the others mentioned.
Didn't he play under a different rule of player substitution?
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2019, 07:56:33 pm »

Atwater, Hampton, and Billy Ray Jr. all belong in the conversation.  The various depths of the defense are all so different and require such different skill sets that it's hard to say who is the best.

If we are talking about their accomplishments on both the college and pro levels, Trey Flowers has a great chance to work his way into the conversation before it's all said and done.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2019, 10:25:48 pm »

Shocked that no one has mentioned Lloyd Phillips.

Outland trophy winner, two time consensus All-American, and College Football Hall of Famer.

The most decorated defender in Hog history.


And I guess you have to be as old as me to remember Bud Brooks, also an Outland Trophy winner in 1954.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2019, 09:22:39 pm by TexasTransplant »
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2019, 01:29:39 am »

To me, it would have to be one of the following three (no particular order).

Lloyd Phillips
Wayne Martin
Steve Atwater

Just very difficult to decide which one of those three.  They all were extraordinary defensive players.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2019, 10:14:59 am »

Billy Ray Smith - Only two time All American defensive player that I can find
Billy Ray Smith - Only two time All American defensive player that I can find
You are immediately discredited and banned from further conversation on this topic.
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elviscat

Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2019, 01:40:15 pm »

Wayne Harris, the Thumper.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2019, 01:41:22 pm »

Dirt Winston, I was scared to death of him.  He could take over a game.

First name that came to mind when I read the thread title, closely followed by Danimal. Way easy to leave someone out (Atwater etc). Arkansas has had some great ones
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2019, 11:12:52 pm »

Atwater
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2019, 05:49:56 am »

Dan Hampton. Chicago Bears Super Bowl.

Nuf said. Danimal!
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2019, 12:47:19 pm »

Jimmy walker was a 2 time all american

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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2019, 08:28:34 pm »

Ronnie Caveness, a tackling machine if there ever was one.
thats my guy. And Atwater.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2019, 10:31:21 pm »

Kenoy Kennedy. That guy was a killer.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2019, 11:24:30 pm »

Billy Ray Smith Jr.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2019, 01:15:08 pm »

I think Billy Ray Smith Jr and Dan Hamption are both right answers. I can't separate them.

Tougher over the past 20 years. Ken Hamlin, Kenoy Kennedy, Martrell Spaight, and Jamaal Anderson all come to mind. Anderson was a freak his last season campus.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2019, 05:22:45 pm »

« Last Edit: March 24, 2019, 08:40:41 pm by FASTEST 40 »
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2019, 05:26:31 pm »

Billy Ray, TDP, or Cliff Powell........my votes.

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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2019, 01:11:44 pm »

Billy Ray Jr.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2019, 03:24:32 pm »

Wayne Harris  The Thumper
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2019, 04:00:24 pm »

Watch some film of Loyd Phillips as a Hog. He was very quick, great on his techniques,
strong and just flat out naturally born MEAN! A clip of Phillips playing would be a great
instructional video for young incoming Hogs. If we had 3 players his caliber player we
would win 9 next year!

Loyd was the first name that came to mind when I saw the subject question.  About Loyd being "mean", I have heard some legendary stories about the fights he got in while on campus.  Nothing necessarily out of line - young men DO have disagreements from time to time.  But Loyd was "that guy" that no one on his teams wanted to tangle with.  That might surprise some that knew him later, when he was a principal. 

I'd say it is among these 4 - Loyd, Billy Ray Smith (Junior), Ronnie Caveness and Cliff Powell.  You can't really go wrong with any of those four. (I only leave out the great Wayne Harris because at something like 180-85 lbs. - though listed a bit bigger - he was just so small that I just don't think he belongs with the others).

There are, of course, many others who could get some consideration (as mentioned in this thread).  But I believe among those old enough to have seen these players actually on the field, it comes down to them.  Obviously, I can understand younger (and that is a relative term!) voters rating others who they actually saw ahead of those 4.  Just as it's hard for me to accurately "rate" Clyde Smith against some of our later backs, although several veteran observers whose opinions I trust absolutely believe he is still at or near the top of our all-time offensive threats. 
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2019, 05:58:00 pm »

Jake Bequette just because he hasn't been mentioned.

Actually though, Dan Hampton would have started for any team we've ever had.

Period.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2019, 11:26:48 am »

Loyd was the first name that came to mind when I saw the subject question.  About Loyd being "mean", I have heard some legendary stories about the fights he got in while on campus.  Nothing necessarily out of line - young men DO have disagreements from time to time.  But Loyd was "that guy" that no one on his teams wanted to tangle with.  That might surprise some that knew him later, when he was a principal. 

I'd say it is among these 4 - Loyd, Billy Ray Smith (Junior), Ronnie Caveness and Cliff Powell.  You can't really go wrong with any of those four. (I only leave out the great Wayne Harris because at something like 180-85 lbs. - though listed a bit bigger - he was just so small that I just don't think he belongs with the others).

There are, of course, many others who could get some consideration (as mentioned in this thread).  But I believe among those old enough to have seen these players actually on the field, it comes down to them.  Obviously, I can understand younger (and that is a relative term!) voters rating others who they actually saw ahead of those 4.  Just as it's hard for me to accurately "rate" Clyde Smith against some of our later backs, although several veteran observers whose opinions I trust absolutely believe he is still at or near the top of our all-time offensive threats. 

Cliff Powell may be the most underrated Razorback defender of all time.  He was a first team All-American, but as the years have passed he is almost never mentioned.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2019, 11:44:34 am »

Both my Dad and Grandpa, God rest their souls, would tell you Lloyd Phillips.  And they saw all that have been mentioned thus far.
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Re: Who's the greatest defensive player in Razorback history?
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2019, 09:12:11 pm »

The Smiling Assassin.
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