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MuskogeeHogFan:

I found this interesting. Apparently there are some schools in the SEC that want to do away with the permanent cross divisional opponent scheduling and move to scheduling on a rotational basis. We all know we have one cross divisional opponent that we rotate through every two years, but this group wants both cross division opponents to be rotated every two years. If they are successful in getting this done, it might put the "Battle Line Rivalry" (or whatever it is called) on hold for several years at a time.

Each SEC team currently plays the six others in their division with one rotating opponent and another permanent opponent from the opposite division. The scheduling was set up after the Aggies and Missouri Tigers joined the conference in 2012 and displayed a desire maintain some of the SEC's traditional long time rivalries such as Alabama and Tennessee or Auburn and Georgia.

However, in the process, the "permanent" cross division rivals of some schools have been considered an impediment to those programs being able to compete for division titles. For example, while the game between LSU and Florida makes for great football,  it's also a difficult game for both programs. As a result, some schools want to go to change to a format that calls for two rotating opponents from the opposite division, eliminating the permanent opponent. Others have traditional rivals across the division that they want to continue to schedule.

Several of us, we’d rather see more rotation, and really that’s for student-athlete well-being.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Article/Texas-AM-South-Carolina-SEC-schedule-cross-division-opponents-130177371/

Personally, I would be all for it but this would eliminate annual games like Tennessee-Alabama, Auburn-Georgia, LSU-Florida and of course, Arkansas-Missouri.

What are your thoughts on scheduling both SEC East teams each year (or two years) on a rotational basis?

Snouty:

I'd like to see the SEC go to a 9 game conference schedules every year.  That would eliminate one cupcake game each year and maintain the cross division rivalries.  As little as I care for the Battle Line Rivalry, we need to play Missouri in football every year.  Can't see Alabama-Tennessee or Georgia-Auburn games going not being played every year.  Too much tradition.

Doofus:

“Student-athlete well-being”....

Riiiight.   ;)

Yamahog:

I'll be glad when we're good enough to actually have cupcake games....

Großer Kriegschwein:

Then we won’t have Auburn-Georgia/Tenner-Alabama etc.....

That’s pretty much a non-starter.

Won’t happen

scaldedhog:

Agreed. If they figure out how to make more money they will do it otherwise it stays as is.

East TN HAWG:

What does Alabama want?  Thats what the SEC will do.  Nothing else matters. 

LZH:

If we went to a nine game conference schedule, I could see where a couple of teams would miss out on a bowl game....one less cupcake to play.

As for what the OP is about, I'd rather keep it as it is.

HiggiePiggy:

I would like to see them do away with the divisions and start scheduling based on a teams ranking the year before. If the team won the league the year before then they should have the hardest schedule the next year. Just like the worst team should have the easiest schedule the next year. 

DeltaBoy:

 Poppycock leave it alone!

MuskogeeHogFan:


--- Quote from: LZH on March 17, 2019, 09:49:14 am ---If we went to a nine game conference schedule, I could see where a couple of teams would miss out on a bowl game....one less cupcake to play.

As for what the OP is about, I'd rather keep it as it is.

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I'd rather see both SEC East games be on a two year rotational basis.

rtr:

I always thought Arkansas fans enjoyed playing Tennessee.  I know I did. 

go hogues:


--- Quote from: East TN HAWG on March 17, 2019, 09:36:12 am ---What does Alabama want?  That what the SEC will do.  Nothing else matters. 

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oldhawg:


--- Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on March 17, 2019, 06:50:46 am ---
Personally, I would be all for it but this would eliminate annual games like Tennessee-Alabama, Auburn-Georgia, LSU-Florida and of course, Arkansas-Missouri.

What are your thoughts on scheduling both SEC East teams each year (or two years) on a rotational basis?

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If they wanted to maintain these rivalries during the years that they are not scheduled to play, couldn't the schools still play each other as an out of conference game so that it would not impact on conference standings?

chaz:

Damn fine idea.  We need to lose mo.

HiggiePiggy:


--- Quote from: chaz on March 17, 2019, 05:43:38 pm ---Damn fine idea.  We need to lose mo.

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Why?  They are not a good team.  We need to lose Alabama and Auburn and LSU and add South Carolina with Vanderbilt.   

We need to get a schedule of playing ole miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky, Texas A&M and Tennessee. 

Let’s stay away from auburn, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU as much as possible.

LZH:


--- Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on March 17, 2019, 12:36:59 pm ---I'd rather see both SEC East games be on a two year rotational basis.

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I don't care for the Mizzou thing all that much, but do like the idea of a SECE opponent every year.  Truthfully, I miss Carolina every year.

Supermark101:


--- Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on March 17, 2019, 06:50:46 am ---this would eliminate annual games like Tennessee-Alabama, Auburn-Georgia,

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This is why it will.never happen.....

MuskogeeHogFan:


--- Quote from: HiggiePiggy on March 17, 2019, 06:05:40 pm ---Why?  They are not a good team.  We need to lose Alabama and Auburn and LSU and add South Carolina with Vanderbilt.   

We need to get a schedule of playing ole miss, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky, Texas A&M and Tennessee. 

Let’s stay away from auburn, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and LSU as much as possible.

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Huh?

HiggiePiggy:


--- Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on March 17, 2019, 07:51:42 pm ---Huh?

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I am wanting to do away with divisions. I also think that they should make the schedule based on how you played the year before. Making the team that won the conference playing the hardest schedule while the team that had the worst having the easiest schedule.  Would even it out more for the sec instead of being Alabama and Georgia all the time.

Supermark101:


--- Quote from: HiggiePiggy on March 17, 2019, 08:32:10 pm ---I am wanting to do away with divisions. I also think that they should make the schedule based on how you played the year before. Making the team that won the conference playing the hardest schedule while the team that had the worst having the easiest schedule.  Would even it out more for the sec instead of being Alabama and Georgia all the time.

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I don't hate the idea but Bama would still win. They're that far ahead.

pigbacon:

I would like to do away with schedules in general and have them draw the opponent lottery style on a week to week basis. Say Thursday evenings.

ErieHog:

When you know 4 of the old guard are going to be dead set against it, it isn't going to happen.

Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, and Georgia are never going to accept it. 

nationwish:

Permanent opponents helps the top teams a lot more than it hurts them. A game of Alabama-Tennessee gets a lot more exposure than Alabama-Vanderbilt. Recruits also want to play those games more than the easier wins. An easier schedule may benefit you in a particular year, but it does not benefit you over time.

SooieGeneris:

Instead of this the SEC needs to put Auburn in the East and Missouri in the West. Alabama and Auburn could be one another's permanent opponent.

Of course, 'Bama would oppose this so it won't happen. they would lose Tenner as an annual foe. Her's how it would look:

SEC East
GA /permanent opponent: A&M
FL /permanent: LSU (same as now)
TN /permanent: MO (they play every year now)
Aub / permanent: Alabama (who else?)
SC /permanent AR (same as for years, came into the league together)
VAN /permanent: OM (same as now)
KY /permanent: MSU (same as now)

SEC West
AL / permanent: AUB (no way that rivalry dies)
AR / permanent: SC (same as for 20+ years)
LSU / permanent: FL (same as now)
A&M / permanent: GA (somebody has to pick them up)
OM / permanent: VAN (same as now)
MSU / permanent: KY (same as now)
MO / permanent: TN (they play every year now)

The top rivalries in the league would stay with only one exception: Alabama-TN. A&M would whine about having to play GA instead of SC, but as the last to join the SEC, should they get to choose?

The only down side is that due to politics, we would probably get stuck with GA, but we would drop Auburn, so it wouldn't be that much tougher most years.

mhsbc59:


--- Quote from: SooieGeneris on March 17, 2019, 11:43:57 pm ---Instead of this the SEC needs to put Auburn in the East and Missouri in the West. Alabama and Auburn could be one another's permanent opponent.

Of course, 'Bama would oppose this so it won't happen. they would lose Tenner as an annual foe. Her's how it would look:

SEC East
GA /permanent opponent: A&M
FL /permanent: LSU (same as now)
TN /permanent: MO (they play every year now)
Aub / permanent: Alabama (who else?)
SC /permanent AR (same as for years, came into the league together)
VAN /permanent: OM (same as now)
KY /permanent: MSU (same as now)

SEC West
AL / permanent: AUB (no way that rivalry dies)
AR / permanent: SC (same as for 20+ years)
LSU / permanent: FL (same as now)
A&M / permanent: GA (somebody has to pick them up)
OM / permanent: VAN (same as now)
MSU / permanent: KY (same as now)
MO / permanent: TN (they play every year now)

The top rivalries in the league would stay with only one exception: Alabama-TN. A&M would whine about having to play GA instead of SC, but as the last to join the SEC, should they get to choose?

The only down side is that due to politics, we would probably get stuck with GA, but we would drop Auburn, so it wouldn't be that much tougher most years.

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Auburn moving to the east and Missouri moving to the west  would solve a lot of scheduling oddity and just makes since

Hogwild:

LSU has brought up ending the permanent cross Div scheduling, Birmingham shot it down.

Auburn offered to move to the East, Birmingham shot it down. 

JackJohnson:

Good- let’s get a team we can beat bc that definitely isn’t Mizzou

avatar:


--- Quote from: East TN HAWG on March 17, 2019, 09:36:12 am ---What does Alabama want?  Thats what the SEC will do.  Nothing else matters.

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Well there is CBS and ESPN to consider

HogPharmer:


--- Quote from: mhsbc59 on March 18, 2019, 08:16:09 am ---Auburn moving to the east and Missouri moving to the west  would solve a lot of scheduling oddity and just makes since

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That would then get rid of the Alabama-Tenn permanent rivalry. I doubt the SEC goes for that. Because you definitely aren't getting rid of the Iron Bowl.

HiggiePiggy:


--- Quote from: Supermark101 on March 17, 2019, 09:04:13 pm ---I don't hate the idea but Bama would still win. They're that far ahead.

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They might would, but I still think they should face every strong team in the league to win it.

Bacons Rebellion:

I don't give a rip about the SEC as a whole or if Alabama plays Tennessee, but I would rather have Missouri every year instead of a Georgia-Flordia-Tennessee on the schedule.

We throw away games to Missouri right now, but in the long term, that series is in our best interest.

Bacons Rebellion:


--- Quote from: Doofus on March 17, 2019, 07:57:50 am ---“Student-athlete well-being”....

Riiiight.   ;)

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We're just doing it to protect our children.

LZH:

The idea of divisions was part of the attraction for the move to the SEC as far as I was concerned.  I'd hate to lose that.

Dark Helmet Hog:

Go to 16 teams with 8 in each division. Eliminate cross division games except for the championship game.

USChog:

Too many traditional rivalries, not going to happen.

redleg:

After the next conference realignment happens, I can see a couple of things possibly happening in the SEC.
1. The SEC could add Oklahoma and North Carolina, or NC State.
2. The SEC could add Oklahoma State and UNC, or NC St.
3. The SEC could add UNC and NC St.
4. The SEC could lose Missouri to the Big Ten, and the SEC could add OU and Ok St and UNC, or NC St.
5. The SEC could add OU and Ok St.

Either way, I see the SEC eventually with 16 teams.
Once that happens, I would love to see the SEC do something that has never been done in college football. Break up into four divisions of four teams each, and have two semi-final games, the winners of which would play in the SEC Championship Game.

For arguments sake, let's say Mizzou stays put, and the SEC adds OU and Ok St. to the fold.
The East Division would be - Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
The South - Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St.
The North - Arkansas, Vandy, UK, Mizzou.
The West - Ok St, OU, LSU, Texas A&M.
The particulars of cross division play could be worked out, but I think a 7 game conference schedule would be easiest. Each team would play their division opponents every year, and would play four teams from another division for two seasons, then another division would roll onto the schedule. That would mean another non-conference team, but so what?! As long as teams don't schedule a Sisters of the Poor type school.
Set the schedule so the regular season is over by the weekend before Thanksgiving. Play the conference semi-finals Thanksgiving weekend, and the SEC Championship the following weekend, when it is currently played. Those three games could rotate between Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It would be gangbuster$!!
The SEC was the first major conference to have a conference championship game. They should be the first conference with semi-finals!
It would work!

Dawgville:


--- Quote from: LZH on March 18, 2019, 07:34:30 pm ---The idea of divisions was part of the attraction for the move to the SEC as far as I was concerned.  I'd hate to lose that.

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Divisions aren't going anywhere. You have to have them in order to host a conference title game under NCAA rules.

RyanMallettsEgo:


--- Quote from: redleg on March 20, 2019, 08:19:48 am ---After the next conference realignment happens, I can see a couple of things possibly happening in the SEC.
1. The SEC could add Oklahoma and North Carolina, or NC State.
2. The SEC could add Oklahoma State and UNC, or NC St.
3. The SEC could add UNC and NC St.
4. The SEC could lose Missouri to the Big Ten, and the SEC could add OU and Ok St and UNC, or NC St.
5. The SEC could add OU and Ok St.

Either way, I see the SEC eventually with 16 teams.
Once that happens, I would love to see the SEC do something that has never been done in college football. Break up into four divisions of four teams each, and have two semi-final games, the winners of which would play in the SEC Championship Game.

For arguments sake, let's say Mizzou stays put, and the SEC adds OU and Ok St. to the fold.
The East Division would be - Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
The South - Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St.
The North - Arkansas, Vandy, UK, Mizzou.
The West - Ok St, OU, LSU, Texas A&M.
The particulars of cross division play could be worked out, but I think a 7 game conference schedule would be easiest. Each team would play their division opponents every year, and would play four teams from another division for two seasons, then another division would roll onto the schedule. That would mean another non-conference team, but so what?! As long as teams don't schedule a Sisters of the Poor type school.
Set the schedule so the regular season is over by the weekend before Thanksgiving. Play the conference semi-finals Thanksgiving weekend, and the SEC Championship the following weekend, when it is currently played. Those three games could rotate between Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It would be gangbuster$!!
The SEC was the first major conference to have a conference championship game. They should be the first conference with semi-finals!
It would work!

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Lol

TheEnemy:

Add 2 more teams to the west....move Bama And Auburn to the east....and you dont need permanent cross rivals...the old rivals ar all in the sam division

ricepig:


--- Quote from: Dawgville on March 20, 2019, 11:28:20 am ---Divisions aren't going anywhere. You have to have them in order to host a conference title game under NCAA rules.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game

Dawgville:


--- Quote from: redleg on March 20, 2019, 08:19:48 am ---After the next conference realignment happens, I can see a couple of things possibly happening in the SEC.
1. The SEC could add Oklahoma and North Carolina, or NC State.
2. The SEC could add Oklahoma State and UNC, or NC St.
3. The SEC could add UNC and NC St.
4. The SEC could lose Missouri to the Big Ten, and the SEC could add OU and Ok St and UNC, or NC St.
5. The SEC could add OU and Ok St.

Either way, I see the SEC eventually with 16 teams.
Once that happens, I would love to see the SEC do something that has never been done in college football. Break up into four divisions of four teams each, and have two semi-final games, the winners of which would play in the SEC Championship Game.

For arguments sake, let's say Mizzou stays put, and the SEC adds OU and Ok St. to the fold.
The East Division would be - Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
The South - Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St.
The North - Arkansas, Vandy, UK, Mizzou.
The West - Ok St, OU, LSU, Texas A&M.
The particulars of cross division play could be worked out, but I think a 7 game conference schedule would be easiest. Each team would play their division opponents every year, and would play four teams from another division for two seasons, then another division would roll onto the schedule. That would mean another non-conference team, but so what?! As long as teams don't schedule a Sisters of the Poor type school.
Set the schedule so the regular season is over by the weekend before Thanksgiving. Play the conference semi-finals Thanksgiving weekend, and the SEC Championship the following weekend, when it is currently played. Those three games could rotate between Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It would be gangbuster$!!
The SEC was the first major conference to have a conference championship game. They should be the first conference with semi-finals!
It would work!

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No.

And on what Earth do you think those divisions are even remotely fair from a competition standpoint?

Georgia/Auburn is going nowhere. Nowhere.

Dawgville:


--- Quote from: ricepig on March 20, 2019, 11:56:21 am ---https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game

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They only have 10 teams and got special permission.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/8900124/big-12-wants-ncaa-allow-conference-title-game

PolishPigPower:


--- Quote from: Dark Helmet Hog on March 18, 2019, 09:05:15 pm ---Go to 16 teams with 8 in each division. Eliminate cross division games except for the championship game.

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So, only 7 conference games???

PolishPigPower:


--- Quote from: redleg on March 20, 2019, 08:19:48 am ---After the next conference realignment happens, I can see a couple of things possibly happening in the SEC.
1. The SEC could add Oklahoma and North Carolina, or NC State.
2. The SEC could add Oklahoma State and UNC, or NC St.
3. The SEC could add UNC and NC St.
4. The SEC could lose Missouri to the Big Ten, and the SEC could add OU and Ok St and UNC, or NC St.
5. The SEC could add OU and Ok St.

Either way, I see the SEC eventually with 16 teams.
Once that happens, I would love to see the SEC do something that has never been done in college football. Break up into four divisions of four teams each, and have two semi-final games, the winners of which would play in the SEC Championship Game.

For arguments sake, let's say Mizzou stays put, and the SEC adds OU and Ok St. to the fold.
The East Division would be - Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
The South - Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St.
The North - Arkansas, Vandy, UK, Mizzou.
The West - Ok St, OU, LSU, Texas A&M.
The particulars of cross division play could be worked out, but I think a 7 game conference schedule would be easiest. Each team would play their division opponents every year, and would play four teams from another division for two seasons, then another division would roll onto the schedule. That would mean another non-conference team, but so what?! As long as teams don't schedule a Sisters of the Poor type school.
Set the schedule so the regular season is over by the weekend before Thanksgiving. Play the conference semi-finals Thanksgiving weekend, and the SEC Championship the following weekend, when it is currently played. Those three games could rotate between Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It would be gangbuster$!!
The SEC was the first major conference to have a conference championship game. They should be the first conference with semi-finals!
It would work!

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UNC doesn't come over ever because of basketball.  There's no way they'd split from NC State and Duke.

Mizzou isn't leaving because they love the revenue and they've been competitive.

Bringing in OU and OSU together makes sense, but the SEC adds teams based on TV markets and these two share the same.  Therefore, I don't see it happening.

They'd love to get FSU because it solidifies the Florida market.  If you can get Miami and FSU together, then you've locked up TVs all across the state.  That's a big market.  The only other comparable market within reach is the rest of Texas.

GuvHog:


--- Quote from: redleg on March 20, 2019, 08:19:48 am ---After the next conference realignment happens, I can see a couple of things possibly happening in the SEC.
1. The SEC could add Oklahoma and North Carolina, or NC State.
2. The SEC could add Oklahoma State and UNC, or NC St.
3. The SEC could add UNC and NC St.
4. The SEC could lose Missouri to the Big Ten, and the SEC could add OU and Ok St and UNC, or NC St.
5. The SEC could add OU and Ok St.

Either way, I see the SEC eventually with 16 teams.
Once that happens, I would love to see the SEC do something that has never been done in college football. Break up into four divisions of four teams each, and have two semi-final games, the winners of which would play in the SEC Championship Game.

For arguments sake, let's say Mizzou stays put, and the SEC adds OU and Ok St. to the fold.
The East Division would be - Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
The South - Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St.
The North - Arkansas, Vandy, UK, Mizzou.
The West - Ok St, OU, LSU, Texas A&M.
The particulars of cross division play could be worked out, but I think a 7 game conference schedule would be easiest. Each team would play their division opponents every year, and would play four teams from another division for two seasons, then another division would roll onto the schedule. That would mean another non-conference team, but so what?! As long as teams don't schedule a Sisters of the Poor type school.
Set the schedule so the regular season is over by the weekend before Thanksgiving. Play the conference semi-finals Thanksgiving weekend, and the SEC Championship the following weekend, when it is currently played. Those three games could rotate between Dallas, Atlanta, and New Orleans. It would be gangbuster$!!
The SEC was the first major conference to have a conference championship game. They should be the first conference with semi-finals!
It would work!

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#5 is FAR more likely to happen than the other 4. That would probably set the divisions like this:

Western Division

Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M

Eastern Division

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

The conference would move to a 9 game SEC schedule with 2 rotating games against opponents from the other division.

I'd take having to play OU and Okla State every year over having to play Alabama and Auburn every year anytime.


Snouty:

Several posters have mentioned that if the SEC moved Alabama and Auburn to the Eastern Division, there wouldn't have a problem with eliminating permanent rivals from the opposite division.  Alabama could play Tennessee every year, as could Auburn and Georgia.  Still, Vanderbilt and Tennessee need to be in the same division.  UT v. Vanderbilt is a big rivalry in Tennessee.  I'd just like to see the SEC expand to 16 teams and move  Missouri to the West where it belongs.

Occams Razorback:

I’d rather have taken WVU instead of Mizzou and still think the Big 10 is a better fit for the Tigers

The Mountaineers are much better suited for the ACC or SEC

Bringing in A&M was bad for us and the greatest thing that could have ever happened to the Aggies

If we bring in OU and/or OSU, the entire interstate system south and east of I70 will break down entirely - have you seen Okies drive?

j-mann:

the SEC will get to 16 Teams  i see the choices as assume  the big 12 is disbabed in 24-25

1 VA Tech 
2 Louisvillie 
3 okle okle st
4 Kansas K-st
5 West Vri  louisvillie 

1 VA Tech east Louis East Weat vri East

my guess East UF UGA TENN VANDY  S CAR UK VA TECH WEST VRI  i think the SEC wouild rather have louisvillie  but UK will block them

west ALA ARK LSU MISS MISS ST ATM AUB MIZZOU

9- Game sch  here is each team cross opp  ALA-TENN ARK S-CAR LSU-UF MISS-VANDY AUB- UGA  UK-MISS ST  VA TECH WEST VRI   TEXAS ATM MIZZOU   

ErieHog:


--- Quote from: Snouty on March 20, 2019, 04:05:03 pm ---Several posters have mentioned that if the SEC moved Alabama and Auburn to the Eastern Division, there wouldn't have a problem with eliminating permanent rivals from the opposite division.  Alabama could play Tennessee every year, as could Auburn and Georgia.  Still, Vanderbilt and Tennessee need to be in the same division.  UT v. Vanderbilt is a big rivalry in Tennessee.  I'd just like to see the SEC expand to 16 teams and move  Missouri to the West where it belongs.

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The problem is that the Alabama-Auburn-Tennessee-Georgia-Florida core would argue that the divisions are permanently out of balanced by that arrangement.

You can't satisfy those people who have a vested interest in keeping things as they are.

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