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navyhog24

Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #100 on: March 15, 2019, 05:12:39 pm »

Isn't Howland an Adidas guy? How would he do with no Adidas money coming in for him?

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #101 on: March 15, 2019, 05:13:24 pm »

There is nothing quite like a potential coaching search to energize a fan base. New coach, new hope. Right now we have none b/c we all know how it will end next year. But a new coach ... well, that could change everything. WPS
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #102 on: March 15, 2019, 05:13:35 pm »

This is the only niggle I have with anything Porkatarian has said.   The coaching rumor part hasn't been held up so far by any of my sources,  but it may just be a blind spot.    That said, I sure as heck hope they have a plan for after the trigger pulling-- because without it, it may be a long few years.

It has been a long 23 years.  It may be a long few more if we don't change. 

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #103 on: March 15, 2019, 05:14:57 pm »

It has been a long 23 years.  It may be a long few more if we don't change. 

If a new hire doesn't retain two of the three players, it may be the worst basketball we've seen since before Sutton.  Its that level of dire, hence, why there is actual pressure for a coaching change.    John Wooden might not be able to coach what we have left to 12 wins.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #104 on: March 15, 2019, 05:15:35 pm »

This is the only niggle I have with anything Porkatarian has said.   The coaching rumor part hasn't been held up so far by any of my sources,  but it may just be a blind spot.    That said, I sure as heck hope they have a plan for after the trigger pulling-- because without it, it may be a long few years.
It has been a pretty long 8 years. 3 NCAAT in 8 seasons, 0 sweet 16s. I will take my chances.

The only issue is, if we fire Mike there is a good chance we are doing a coaching search with UCLA, LSU, A&M, and possibly KU after the latest reports all having openings.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #105 on: March 15, 2019, 05:16:58 pm »

IF Mike stays, next season will be a mess. His stock as a coach is going to plummet and cost him more money when he goes to another school versus if he left now. He could stay and make what he does and get fired or leave with class and take a job that pays a little less but isn't nearly as tarnished.

Do the right thing Mike.

Seriously something for CMA to consider.  If these transfers happen, even if they don't, next year ain't gonna be purdy.

Of course, he will go to a mid-major and take them to the Sweet 16, a la UAB.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #106 on: March 15, 2019, 05:17:24 pm »

100/1 odds?
lol no thanks...no telling what's gonna happen. Absolutely nothing about our basketball and football programs would surprise me anymore
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #107 on: March 15, 2019, 05:17:37 pm »

Jones and Chaney are two of the three or four most important things for this team next year.  10 wins might be ambitious without both of them.

You see how bad the recruiting class is coming in Erie? Yikes!

Btw I'm going to see your twolves play the nuggets on April 10
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #108 on: March 15, 2019, 05:18:00 pm »

It has been a pretty long 8 years. 3 NCAAT in 8 seasons, 0 sweet 16s. I will take my chances.

The only issue is, if we fire Mike there is a good chance we are doing a coaching search with UCLA, LSU, A&M, and possibly KU after the latest reports all having openings.

We'd be one of the only ones with no scandal hanging over our heads.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #109 on: March 15, 2019, 05:18:47 pm »

My opinion is you donít wait. If itís time to let him go, he should go now. Another year proves nothing. All I ask is let him go gracefully! Heís never done a thing to embarrass the university or state.

We need to do this with some decorum and class.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #110 on: March 15, 2019, 05:18:54 pm »

If a new hire doesn't retain two of the three players, it may be the worst basketball we've seen since before Sutton.  Its that level of dire, hence, why there is actual pressure for a coaching change.    John Wooden might not be able to coach what we have left to 12 wins.

Irrelevant is irrelevant.  BWA is half full for most home games.  5 of our 8 conference wins came against the 11-14 teams in the SEC.  We just scored 50pts when trying to play an up tempo system.  Others may care if it gets worse.  I'd rather take the chance it will get better in a short amount of time. 

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #111 on: March 15, 2019, 05:19:28 pm »

You see how bad the recruiting class is coming in Erie? Yikes!

Btw I'm going to see your twolves play the nuggets on April 10

We tend to be a little more late recruiting anyways; its not that terrible, its just small, and without any actual certainty as to how many spots we're going to have to be filling, its hard to get a good fix on how bad the class will be.  If you replace 4,  that 3rd and 4th guy are going to be multi year development or JUCO prospects,  which won't translate to quick wins.

I would say you get to see KAT v. Jokic, but I doubt KAT will play much.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #112 on: March 15, 2019, 05:21:01 pm »

Irrelevant is irrelevant.  BWA is half full for most home games.  5 of our 8 conference wins came against the 11-14 teams in the SEC.  We just scored 50pts when trying to play an up tempo system.  Others may care if it gets worse.  I'd rather take the chance it will get better in a short amount of time. 

The team, if it retains its players, even minus Gafford, will be significantly better.  That's the big question, though. Retention, and whether or not a lack of it will lead to a change in leadership--  and if it does, does it change the retention equation.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #113 on: March 15, 2019, 05:21:45 pm »

Seriously something for CMA to consider.  If these transfers happen, even if they don't, next year ain't gonna be purdy.

Of course, he will go to a mid-major and take them to the Sweet 16, a la UAB.


He's 60.   Its likely his last job,  regardless of how he goes.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #114 on: March 15, 2019, 05:22:00 pm »

It has been a pretty long 8 years. 3 NCAAT in 8 seasons, 0 sweet 16s. I will take my chances.

The only issue is, if we fire Mike there is a good chance we are doing a coaching search with UCLA, LSU, A&M, and possibly KU after the latest reports all having openings.

Unless they already have someone lined up like you could imagine would be the case with Kelvin Sampson.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #115 on: March 15, 2019, 05:24:01 pm »

He can step aside this year with a bit of grace, or be unceremoniously fired next year.  I know which option I would take were I him.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #116 on: March 15, 2019, 05:24:12 pm »

The team, if it retains its players, even minus Gafford, will be significantly better.  That's the big question, though. Retention, and whether or not a lack of it will lead to a change in leadership--  and if it does, does it change the retention equation.

You see how bad the recruiting class is coming in Erie? Yikes!

Btw I'm going to see your twolves play the nuggets on April 10

We could have a decent late period.  It will still fall in the bottom half of the classes in the SEC. 
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #117 on: March 15, 2019, 05:25:04 pm »

Unless they already have someone lined up like you could imagine would be the case with Kelvin Sampson.
Or full rogue!  Stay with me, Red!
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #118 on: March 15, 2019, 05:25:29 pm »

We could have a decent late period.  It will still fall in the bottom half of the classes in the SEC. 

Assuming Gafford goes, and we hit our top two targets...maybe 9th.  Maybe.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #119 on: March 15, 2019, 05:25:47 pm »

Unless they already have someone lined up like you could imagine would be the case with Kelvin Sampson.

Why would he leave? He has a top 15 program there. It's not like football where small conference coaches are flying to big schools. Especially when he is in his 60s.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #120 on: March 15, 2019, 05:26:21 pm »

If I had to guess on the guard transferring it would be Simpson. Only players leaving that would really hurt would be Joe and Jones. Harris I would think is staying already has one transfer. For all of you jumping up and down for a new coach, when was the last time Arkansas made a good Coach hire? The girls BB coach looks to be good. After that I don't know. Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #121 on: March 15, 2019, 05:26:41 pm »

Pay what it takes to get Greg Marshall. Make him say "Thanks but no thanks".

People think that Gus Malzahn's wife is crazy would not want Gregg Marshall's wife around. She is a lunatic.

Offer Billy Donovan $4mm a year and make HIM say no. We have the money according to our paychecks from the SEC network. The math will work itself out when we start filling seats and getting donations anyway.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #122 on: March 15, 2019, 05:26:59 pm »

Rick Schaffer just said he heard from source MA will be back. Same thing said by ADG sports writer this morning. Just sayin....

Hope your right but.....

The timing of information is the key.  Do not assume RS and the ADG person had up to the minute info. 
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #123 on: March 15, 2019, 05:27:23 pm »

If I had to guess on the guard transferring it would be Simpson. Only players leaving that would really hurt would be Joe and Jones. Harris I would think is staying already has one transfer. For all of you jumping up and down for a new coach, when was the last time Arkansas made a good Coach hire? The girls BB coach looks to be good. After that I don't know. Be careful what you wish for.

Women's softball was pretty solid.  Women's basketball is starting to turn the corner.   
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #124 on: March 15, 2019, 05:27:45 pm »

This is consistent with what I'm hearing now as well.  Mike has overplayed his hand, by refusing to move on from assistants, and not fixing relationships.

While its still fluid,  Mike may have to do a lot of backtracking to not be pushed out the door.

I dug in deep this year in support of CMA mostly because of how juvenile the anti mike crowd has been and how bad this forum decayed due to a handful of posters. However, I will admit that with you confirming the info I am sitting on the edge of my seat. Im not sure if it is excitement or fear, but it is not indifference.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #125 on: March 15, 2019, 05:29:06 pm »

i still can't believe Mike is 60 holy crap that dude doesn't even look 30

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #126 on: March 15, 2019, 05:29:38 pm »

I dug in deep this year in support of CMA mostly because of how juvenile the anti mike crowd has been and how bad this forum decayed due to a handful of posters. However, I will admit that with you confirming the info I am sitting on the edge of my seat. Im not sure if it is excitement or fear, but it is not indifference.

I'll put it this way.  If they had $10M in hand, to pay off Mike and start paying a new coach, I think this would be done.   

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #127 on: March 15, 2019, 05:30:19 pm »

This is consistent with what I'm hearing now as well.  Mike has overplayed his hand, by refusing to move on from assistants, and not fixing relationships.

While its still fluid,  Mike may have to do a lot of backtracking to not be pushed out the door.

Mike does not strike me as a man who would do a whole lot of backtracking.

Which I respect.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #128 on: March 15, 2019, 05:31:03 pm »

Why would he leave? He has a top 15 program there. It's not like football where small conference coaches are flying to big schools. Especially when he is in his 60s.

Birdís the word, man. Donít shoot the messenger. Weíre in the SEC and probably present a pay raise. Definitely more visible stage for a final run. AAC is a 2-3 bid league (could be wrong there).
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #129 on: March 15, 2019, 05:32:43 pm »

Mike should take the Razorback foundation job he has been offered. It wonít be on the table next season.

I hear it may not be on the table anymore.  Mike isn't doing himself any favors by defying the offers and reality that he isn't getting the job done.   He may be cutting his own throat.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #130 on: March 15, 2019, 05:33:19 pm »

darn just got real.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2019, 05:33:49 pm »

I'll put it this way.  If they had $10M in hand, to pay off Mike and start paying a new coach, I think this would be done.   

I donít get this excuse.  How can they not budget for paying off coaches.  Itís a very common thing in big time athletics.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2019, 05:34:14 pm »

Why would he leave? He has a top 15 program there. It's not like football where small conference coaches are flying to big schools. Especially when he is in his 60s.

Hold up. Houston isnít a top 15 program. Top 15 team at the moment. There is a big difference
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2019, 05:34:38 pm »

I'll put it this way.  If they had $10M in hand, to pay off Mike and start paying a new coach, I think this would be done.

You are assuming that money is STILL the problem.  I hear it isn't as big of a problem after yesterday.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2019, 05:34:48 pm »

His biggest flaw has always been stubbornness.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #135 on: March 15, 2019, 05:35:44 pm »

Mike does not strike me as a man who would do a whole lot of backtracking.

Which I respect.

He is about to burn bridges if he keeps denying that he has not met expectations.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #136 on: March 15, 2019, 05:36:29 pm »

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2019, 05:37:06 pm »

He is about to burn bridges if he keeps denying that he has not met expectations.

Perhaps a sense of entitlement at work ?
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2019, 05:38:28 pm »

Does anyone think Nolan may be advising him to stand his ground?
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2019, 05:38:42 pm »

Hold uo. Houston isnít a top 15 program. Top 15 team at the moment. There is a big difference

Correct.. typing to fast, the point remains he turned them into a Top 15 team. And was a buzzer beater away from going to the Sweet 16 last year.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #140 on: March 15, 2019, 05:41:17 pm »

Does anyone think Nolan may be advising him to stand his ground?
By his own admission he talks to Nolan for advice every day.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #141 on: March 15, 2019, 05:44:05 pm »

Perhaps a sense of entitlement at work ?

The boosters and 2 BOTs were talking about him getting rid of 2 assts in January.  Supposedly their view was that he would not accept cutting 2 assts so he would retire or make changes immediately.   He did neither one and stubbornly continued to do what he wanted to do on the court.  The players that want to transfer see what we see.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #142 on: March 15, 2019, 05:47:37 pm »

Does anyone think Nolan may be advising him to stand his ground?

Maybe the UA can just "pay him his money". I believe that Nolan is familiar with the gesture.
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #143 on: March 15, 2019, 05:48:06 pm »

He's 60.   Its likely his last job,  regardless of how he goes.

Possibly but several guys are coaching past that mark these days and having success.  Kermit Davis is same age as Mike.  Ben Howland is 61.  Lon Kruger is 66.  Kelvin Sampson is 63.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #144 on: March 15, 2019, 05:49:01 pm »

Dear Mike,

We wish you the best in your future endeavors. Please accept your buyout according to the terms and conditions outlined in your contract.

Thanks for everything,

The U of A

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #145 on: March 15, 2019, 05:49:28 pm »

Iím most interested in who the ďbig timeĒ coach is?

Fred Hoiberg?
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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #146 on: March 15, 2019, 05:52:43 pm »

Hoiberg would be a great hire

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #147 on: March 15, 2019, 05:53:47 pm »

Take this with a grain of salt, but someone I know thats very "in the know" with the BOT has confirmed that Mike is gone and that the front runner for the position is Rick Pitino. This is the same guy that told me 48 hours before it was announced that Bielema is gone...

He did say that they are working out the details to keep Anderson happy. Anderson is expected to remain with the team until after NIT so it won't be announced until after the season is officially over.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #148 on: March 15, 2019, 06:00:17 pm »

The boosters and 2 BOTs were talking about him getting rid of 2 assts in January.  Supposedly their view was that he would not accept cutting 2 assts so he would retire or make changes immediately.   He did neither one and stubbornly continued to do what he wanted to do on the court.  The players that want to transfer see what we see.
Yep and anybody who doesn't see what is clearly obvious is either a...wearing CMA colored glasses or b....not very knowledgeable about basketball.

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Re: Buckle up, the winds of change are back in full force
« Reply #149 on: March 15, 2019, 06:06:02 pm »

Everyone wants to be first vs first to be right.
Marines want to be first to the fight. Mike might have a little marine in him. He won't get punked in any deal.
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