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Al Boarland

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Position Group Stock
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:39:47 am »

Up or Down?

Offense:
QB
RB
WR
TE
OL

Defense:
S
CB
LB
DL
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hawgwash

Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 12:31:55 pm »

All stocks should be up.  We are emerging (hopefully) from bankruptcy.
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 01:45:43 pm »

All stocks should be up.  We are emerging (hopefully) from bankruptcy.

True, but the likelihood of every group improving seems like a stretch.
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Boarmonger

Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 04:20:27 pm »

Clearly, QB and Wr is up.  TE is also up.  OL has no where to go but up because of a lack of depth last year.  DL may be about the same.  Tough for freshmen to improve on Armon Watts though depth may be better there.  DE may also be better because of more depth.  LB may be about the same as we have not improved depth there to this point.  CB are up and S is up.  We have more players in both groups.  LB’s appear to me to be the only questionable group and we may be able to develop depth over the rest of the spring and over the summer.
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 04:33:14 pm »

The most important position on the field has improved significantly, QB. .

LBer is the only position group not improved.
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2019, 04:37:33 pm »

Clearly, QB and Wr is up.  TE is also up.  OL has no where to go but up because of a lack of depth last year.  DL may be about the same.  Tough for freshmen to improve on Armon Watts though depth may be better there.  DE may also be better because of more depth.  LB may be about the same as we have not improved depth there to this point.  CB are up and S is up.  We have more players in both groups.  LB’s appear to me to be the only questionable group and we may be able to develop depth over the rest of the spring and over the summer.


I'm not sold on either of the secondary groups being up.  A lot of experience and talent is leaving.   Yeah, they looked bad at times, but a lot of that was a function of being on the field so much.     We can put up slightly better numbers, and still see a drop off in play, just because the offense should be more effective across the board.
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 05:55:00 pm »

Up or Down?


Offense:
QB - up
RB - up
WR - up
TE - down
OL - up

Defense:
S - down
CB - down
LB - down
DL - up
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2019, 06:19:56 pm »

Offense: Very likely to be up a little bit, but how far up the stock has gone remains to be seen.
QB: With Hicks we basically get to see Ty Storey if he was with Morris for 3 years, though Hicks will still have to adjust to the speed of the SEC. Starkel has more talent than Hicks and higher level experience, though less and not with Morris. KJ offers high level physical tools but has zero collegiate experience. Probably a plus, but too early to say for sure.
RB: Slight plus? Boyd returns, but even he only had about half a season of playing due to being new first and then injury later. Hayden returns but has also been injury bitten. Whaley returns as the back with the most experience, but still waiting on everything to come together mentally for him. Didn't really add any new backs that will likely make a big impact.
WR: Stock is definitely up. Added some talented freshmen and that could be what the also very talented upperclassmen need to get them to play at the level they can.
TE: Up. O'Grady comes back, Gunter comes back for hopefully his first fully healthy season, and we add young Henry.
OL: We added some good players in this class, we return some experience, but we lose Froholdt. Hard to say if it will be any better or not.

Defense: Probably about the same for now.
S: Not really adding any new players to the two deep this year and we lose the talented Ramirez. Curl gets more experience, Smith provides quality depth, and Foucha and Mason likely battle it out for the remaining spot.
CB: Probably down. Losing Pulley and Ramirez hurts, coupled with the transfers of Calloway and Dalton, and the moving of Curtis to RB and suddenly we are scrounging to find warm bodies to play there. Extremely likely that we continue the tradition of being forced to start true freshmen at CB.
LB: Stock is probably up. Harris's return and Pool, McClure, Morgan, and Henry's development all probably cancel out the departure of Greenlaw and then some.
DL: Stock is questionable. How many years including under Petrino have we had a killer DL on paper only for it to peter out when the season starts? We have enough talent there to have a very good two deep but there is at least one significant question for each player there.
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2019, 07:12:30 pm »

Offense:
QB - up
RB - same
WR - way up
TE - same
OL - up

Defense:
S - same
CB - same
LB - same
DL - same

Defense will improve if the offense improves...common sense.

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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2019, 07:48:57 pm »


Defense will improve if the offense improves...common sense.

Yep there were games the D started out good or OK then fell apart after umpteenth time the O went 3 and out or worse.

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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2019, 08:15:08 pm »

Up or Down?

Offense:
QB- Buy, upside ahead
RB- Hold, need to revisit stable health after spring
WR- Buy, major upside ahead with young talent and QB improvement
TE- Hold, good talent but rating a Hold due to WR upside being better
OL- Hold, need more info before buying

Defense:
S- Hold, need a bit more info but better effort alone should have this a buy soon
CB- Buy, building depth via solid recruiting
LB- Sell, every stock analyst has to have a sell rating; thin depth is the why
DL- Buy, good returning depth plus inbound recruits make this a solid buy

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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 02:54:52 pm »


I'm not sold on either of the secondary groups being up.  A lot of experience and talent is leaving.   Yeah, they looked bad at times, but a lot of that was a function of being on the field so much.     We can put up slightly better numbers, and still see a drop off in play, just because the offense should be more effective across the board.


If the effort is there, the group will be up.  We were severely lacking in effort at times last year.  The guys may be young but I think they’ll be willing and that will be a step forward.
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 02:57:19 pm »

I just hope our corners have corner speed and our safeties have safety speed. Playing safeties with linebacker speed is really bad.

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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 07:50:41 pm »


Offense:
QB Buy
RB  Hold
WR Buy
TE Buy
OL Hold

Defense:
S   Sell
CB Sell (longterm buy)
LB Hold
DL Buy
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Re: Position Group Stock
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2019, 10:07:31 am »

I just hope our corners have corner speed and our safeties have safety speed. Playing safeties with linebacker speed is really bad.

What is "corner speed" or "safety speed"?

For example, the average NFL All-Pro corner 40 time was a 4.50. Tevin Mitchel, Henre Toliver, and likely Ryan Pulley have all had NFL level "corner speed". The only major starter we've had in a while that didn't was Kevin Richardson III, and he had NFL level explosiveness and agility, just not NFL top end speed.

A lot of people only have vague ideas of the athleticism required based on guys who become top 10 NFL draft picks and think that is what is required. Heck, back in the day if you mentioned that Alex Collins didn't elite top end speed and was probably a 4.5's runner, you might was well have said he didn't deserve to have a scholarship to play in the SEC based on how people reacted. Of course, I don't know what you mean when "corner/safety speed" so I'm curious. Is anything less than All-Pro level speed good enough? Can they be a bit slower and "merely" be NFL speed? Or do you think you can be a very good college player and be yet another tier slower than mere NFL speed?
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