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mj4president

Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« on: January 22, 2019, 10:46:41 am »

I never thought I'd see the day that something like this is even possible.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2019, 10:52:19 am »

It was a terrible call but I seriously doubt anything will come of it.  Whenever the NFL robs you of a game, they apologize and if they are feeling real nice, maybe they send a fruit basket lol

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 10:53:01 am »

I tried clicking the link but it didn't work 

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 10:55:13 am »

It was a bad call and a bad break for NO. Quit whining about it Saints.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 11:05:46 am »

It was a bad call and a bad break for NO. Quit whining about it Saints.
Borderline egregious...

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 11:06:05 am »

It was a bad call and a bad break for NO. Quit whining about it Saints.
The crazy part is how 1 play can define a potential legacy of a player.  If that call is made correctly and the Saints go on to win the SB, Brees would even more be considered one of the greatest to play with multiple SB championships and records. 

The same can be true for Pats/KC game.  If the interception on the last drive had not been taken away because of offsides (Which he was offsides) Brady's stats would have been something like 265 yards 1 Td and 3 int the last coming on potential game winning drive.  People would have been saying that he is over the hill and losing it.  Instead he leads a game winning drive ending with around 345 yards passing.  The GOAT talk continues.  That is what makes sports so fun to watch.   

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 11:07:25 am »

It was a bad call and a bad break for NO. Quit whining about it Saints.

If it were the Hogs losing a chance to play for the National Championship HV would be whining for the next 25 years...

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 11:20:18 am »

If it were the Hogs losing a chance to play for the National Championship HV would be whining for the next 25 years...
Man, you ain't even kiddin'.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2019, 11:23:11 am »

Saints fans should whine and groan. They were hosed.

The rest of us (except the rams fans) should shake our heads and feel some momentary sympathy.

Rams fans should pretend like nothing happened.

This lawsuit should be dismissed.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2019, 11:51:28 am »

Imagine the Impact on Vegas and other betting venues, if for some wild reason, the results from last Saturday are nullified or reversed.  Will they have to payout to those who initially lost?

Would they send out Vinnie the Ice pick and Guido the Hammer to collect back the money already paid out?

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2019, 11:52:52 am »

Imagine the Impact on Vegas and other betting venues, if for some wild reason, the results from last Saturday are nullified or reversed.  Will they have to payout to those who initially lost?

Would they send out Vinnie the Ice pick and Guido the Hammer to collect back the money already paid out?

I bet that once the game is finalized the issue is closed. We have had games invalidated before so it's not without precedent.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2019, 12:00:37 pm »

This is the part I have always hated about competitive sports. The worst is when they miss a game-deciding call + immediately after the game confess. It is like the way a school administration protects a bad teacher then quietly ushers the teacher out in the summer. Meanwhile, the affected kids get to live with their botched grades and missed opportunities. Why not do the right thing when it can be done?
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2019, 12:01:47 pm »

This is the part I have always hated about competitive sports. The worst is when they miss a game-deciding call + immediately after the game confess. It is like the way a school administration protects a bad teacher then quietly ushers the teacher out in the summer. Meanwhile, the affected kids get to live with their botched grades and missed opportunities. Why not do the right thing when it can be done?

Disagree- Apples and Oranges....
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2019, 12:05:07 pm »

If it were the Hogs losing a chance to play for the National Championship HV would be whining for the next 25 years...

Absolutely. Some people still cry about the hogs not being given some title in the 60s or 70s.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2019, 12:05:42 pm »

Those refs should never ref again.

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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2019, 12:07:12 pm »

If it were the Hogs losing a chance to play for the National Championship HV would be whining for the next 25 years...
Some people still complain about 1964.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2019, 12:08:32 pm »

Those refs should never ref again.

Have you ever made a serious error at your job?

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2019, 12:11:05 pm »

I never thought I'd see the day that something like this is even possible.

I don't think it's unprecedented. Not on the pro level anywhere before that I recall, but I seem to recall a similar suit or two in the past on small college or maybe high school level about such stuff (playoffs maybe, request injunction and replay, etc). In our litigious society I would be surprised if it hasn't happened before. It will get tossed, as it should, and life and football will go on. Does suck for the Saints though. Now if it had been the longwhorns ……  ;)



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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2019, 12:18:58 pm »

Have you ever made a serious error at your job?

In my profession there is zero room for “serious error”. So no.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2019, 12:19:19 pm »

Those refs should never ref again.


At least the ones that were in the position to make the call. We can agree on that.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2019, 12:19:49 pm »

At least the ones that were in the position to make the call. We can agree on that.

Agreed.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2019, 12:22:07 pm »

In my profession there is zero room for “serious error”. So no.

Some professions and jobs can have life threatening consequences when a serious mistake is made. Quite a lot actually. However referring a game is not one of them.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2019, 12:24:00 pm »

In my profession there is zero room for “serious error”. So no.

I call BS. I don't care what your job is, you have made a major mistake. Just because that mistake didn't lead to the disaster it could have doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2019, 12:26:36 pm »

 I think the best way to solve this is allow the coach to throw the challenge flag on “missed” or not called penalties just like on other things. Allow one per half and then one in OT.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2019, 12:30:23 pm »

There are numerous calls throughout a game that impact the outcome.  Just because this one was made late, is it any worse than the images of Saints players grabbing Rams' players facemasks at different points?  If you open this can of worms, it's going to become routine.  The rule is in place for a reason, but applying it to an error in judgment rather than "club action, non-participant interference, or calamity" ain't happening.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2019, 12:38:14 pm »

Saints had 2 different opportunities to stop the Rams from scoring and THEY failed both times.  Play some defense and the call is a non-issue.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2019, 12:38:38 pm »

Imagine the Impact on Vegas and other betting venues, if for some wild reason, the results from last Saturday are nullified or reversed.  Will they have to payout to those who initially lost?

Would they send out Vinnie the Ice pick and Guido the Hammer to collect back the money already paid out?

Heard on the radio yesterday that some Vegas bookie services were issuing refunds to betters because the blown call had caused those betters to lose money ... first time that's ever happened.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2019, 12:40:48 pm »

I call BS. I don't care what your job is, you have made a major mistake. Just because that mistake didn't lead to the disaster it could have doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Call it all you want. But I have not made a major mistake. Common errors, sure. Major, nope.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2019, 12:41:37 pm »

Some professions and jobs can have life threatening consequences when a serious mistake is made. Quite a lot actually. However referring a game is not one of them.

Correct.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2019, 12:46:22 pm »

Call it all you want. But I have not made a major mistake. Common errors, sure. Major, nope.

I just don't buy it. I know plenty of surgeons. They have all made mistakes. I know lots of cops. They have all made mistakes. I know some pilots. They all have made mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes come and go and no major consequence occurs. But everybody makes mistakes.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2019, 12:46:33 pm »

I call BS. I don't care what your job is, you have made a major mistake. Just because that mistake didn't lead to the disaster it could have doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I know what his job is...He can't afford to make major mistakes.......
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2019, 12:48:33 pm »

I know what his job is...He can't afford to make major mistakes.......

I am outvoted. Apparently he is in fact the only person in the world to never make a professional mistake.

Keep it up.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2019, 12:50:08 pm »

I know what his job is...He can't afford to make major mistakes.......

Thank you.

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2019, 12:52:03 pm »

I just don't buy it. I know plenty of surgeons. They have all made mistakes. I know lots of cops. They have all made mistakes. I know some pilots. They all have made mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes come and go and no major consequence occurs. But everybody makes mistakes.

Then the issue is what do you consider a mistake or a serious or major mistake.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2019, 12:56:11 pm »

Then the issue is what do you consider a mistake or a serious or major mistake.

Serious mistake is any mistake that could lead to someone saying "that guy should be fired."

For a doctor it could be prescribing the wrong medicine (literally happens every day). A pharmacist generally catches it but the doctor still made the wrong call.

For a airline pilot it could be coasting through the pre flight inspection. Literally happens every day. but with the multiple checks issues are generally found.

For a bus driver it could be failing to look both ways before entering an intersection.


These are all mistakes that could get you fired or killed. And they happen every day. The difference between most important jobs (not airwarrens, mind you) and regular jobs is that in jobs where death is possible, we put in multiple checks. So the mistakes that everybody except airwarren make get caught and corrected.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2019, 12:59:20 pm »

Serious mistake is any mistake that could lead to someone saying "that guy should be fired."

For a doctor it could be prescribing the wrong medicine (literally happens every day). A pharmacist generally catches it but the doctor still made the wrong call.

For a airline pilot it could be coasting through the pre flight inspection. Literally happens every day. but with the multiple checks issues are generally found.

For a bus driver it could be failing to look both ways before entering an intersection.


These are all mistakes that could get you fired or killed. And they happen every day. The difference between most important jobs (not airwarrens, mind you) and regular jobs is that in jobs where death is possible, we put in multiple checks. So the mistakes that everybody except airwarren make get caught and corrected.

I suggest you find better physicians.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2019, 12:59:55 pm »

IF the game is not restarted- I do think the future will allow challenges for judgement calls, a watershed moment in the nature of the game.

I think it gets a restart.
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2019, 01:00:49 pm »

Then the issue is what do you consider a mistake or a serious or major mistake.

That’s the thing. I’ve made errors, I’ve admitted it. Everyone has. But serious or major mistakes...cat doesn’t know what he is talking about. Unless his idea of a major mistake deals with forgetting to put the Big Mac in the bag for a Big Mac meal.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2019, 01:01:52 pm »

I suggest you find better physicians.

If you think your doctor has never made an error that could have killed a patient you are incorrect. That is why we have multiple checks in the medical industry.

Doctors get a reputation for thinking they are god. I assure you, they are not.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2019, 01:02:33 pm »

That’s the thing. I’ve made errors, I’ve admitted it. Everyone has. But serious or major mistakes...cat doesn’t know what he is talking about. Unless his idea of a major mistake deals with forgetting to put the Big Mac in the bag for a Big Mac meal.

You got me. I just work at McDonalds so I don't know what responsibility is.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2019, 01:04:12 pm »

IF the game is not restarted- I do think the future will allow challenges for judgement calls, a watershed moment in the nature of the game.

I think it gets a restart.

If the game is restarted, I would be completely shocked. Sure would make for a fun ending.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2019, 01:04:19 pm »

For a doctor it could be prescribing the wrong medicine (literally happens every day). A pharmacist generally catches it but the doctor still made the wrong call.


What if you were the pesron administering that medication to the patient?  You don't have anyone to "catch the mistake", so you can't afford to err.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2019, 01:04:46 pm »

If the game is restarted, I would be completely shocked. Sure would make for a fun ending.

Never going to happen..
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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2019, 01:06:05 pm »

Never going to happen..

I’m sure you’re right. It was just a bad bad miss.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2019, 01:08:05 pm »

If it were the Hogs losing a chance to play for the National Championship HV would be whining for the next 25 years...

Kind of like a missed pop fly...........

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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2019, 01:08:22 pm »

What if you were the pesron administering that medication to the patient?  You don't have anyone to "catch the mistake", so you can't afford to err.

Pharmacies have audits and back up checks all the time. Pharmacists make mistakes. In the course of a pharmacy career, there is no single person (except airwarren) who hasn't made a mistake that could get them fired. Everybody does something boneheaded at some point. Except airwarren.

Even if a person is the last check, there has been a time when they didn't thoroughly check everything. There was a day when they were saved by everybody before them doing their job right. Except airwarren. He is always 100% in the game.

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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2019, 01:12:52 pm »

A non-televised clip of the 'egregious play' is making its rounds on the "system of tubes". It shows that one of the line judges was ready to throw a pass interference flag only to be harshly waved against doing so by an upfield judge.  Interesting.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2019, 01:13:01 pm »

Pharmacies have audits and back up checks all the time. Pharmacists make mistakes. In the course of a pharmacy career, there is no single person (except airwarren) who hasn't made a mistake that could get them fired. Everybody does something boneheaded at some point. Except airwarren.

Even if a person is the last check, there has been a time when they didn't thoroughly check everything. There was a day when they were saved by everybody before them doing their job right. Except airwarren. He is always 100% in the game.

You need to take it easy. I’ve already admitted that I’ve made errors in my career. Just not major or serious. What more do you want me to say?

Seems like you got it figured out. From planes. To trains. To physicians. To pharmacists. You work in HR? Or do you read a lot of stories on bookface?

Are you one of those whiny take my ball and go home millennials? You sure are acting like a baby.

Regardless. I can honestly go to bed at night knowing no sentinel event that led to Major or serious outcomes has ever been on my hands. Praise God.
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Re: Law suit is in- possible restart of the Saints Rams game.
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2019, 01:23:06 pm »

Regardless. I can honestly go to bed at night knowing no sentinel event that led to Major or serious outcomes has ever been on my hands. Praise God.

I am not going to get into generational name calling nonsense with you. Since you have already decided that I work at McDonalds and am a baby it wouldn't mean much anyhow.

The fact that you haven't had anybody die because of your error is great. That doesn't mean you haven't made one that could have gone that way. But I cannot argue from ignorance. There are two of you telling me that you have a job where any major error would go unchecked and lead to some serious situation. I don't know what that job is or how it is allowed to exist without multiple checks. But my ignorance is not a strong argument.

I have already acknowledged your truth that you are a man who has never made a major professional mistake.

I have erred in continuing this conversation to long. I hope your winning streak continues.

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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2019, 01:24:05 pm »

I am not going to get into generational name calling nonsense with you. Since you have already decided that I work at McDonalds and am a baby it wouldn't mean much anyhow.

The fact that you haven't had anybody die because of your error is great. That doesn't mean you haven't made one that could have gone that way. But I cannot argue from ignorance. There are two of you telling me that you have a job where any major error would go unchecked and lead to some serious situation. I don't know what that job is or how it is allowed to exist without multiple checks. But my ignorance is not a strong argument.

I have already acknowledged your truth that you are a man who has never made a major professional mistake.

I have erred in continuing this conversation to long. I hope your winning streak continues.

See ya. And it’s “too”. :D.
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