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jbcarol:

Florida: Above Boiling Point
 

--- Quote ---QB battle: At this point, flipping a coin might be the best way to determine this race. While it might seem that Jacoby Brissett holds a tiny advantage over Jeff Driskel because of his experience, Muschamp insisted they are still even, and finding the better leader during summer workouts could determine everything. But even that will be tough, he added. Right now, he said, both have the intangibles and the natural leadership skills to be successful, and he thinks players respect and respond to each equally.

"Their competition is going to make each other better, and that's going to make our offense better, which will make our football team better," Muschamp said.

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jbcarol:

98.6o: Auburn quarterback race could go to the final week of fall preseason practice, says Scot Loeffler
 

--- Quote ---Loeffler said Thursday the race between Kiehl Frazier, Clint Moseley and Zeke Pike could last well in preseason practice this fall.

Loeffler indicated he has no problem waiting to name a starter and doesn't see "any significance" in waiting until the last week of August to end the race.

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jbcarol:

The shoes to fill are large after Tannehill's departure and a four headed quarterback race will determine the 2012 starter. Showers has the most experience, though he has very little of it. Redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel is somewhat of a Texas high school football legend and would bring a dynamic dual threat to Kevin Sumlins new offense. Not to be overlooked is Matt Davis who can also run the football while running the air heavy offense. No starters are likely candidates are expected to pan out until later in the A&M offseason.


jbcarol:

Athlon lists top QB battles

jbcarol:

Muschamp: “[Jeff Driskel and Jacoby] are both capable guys to run our football team and to run our offense,” Muschamp said. “Their competition throughout the summer is going to make each other better, make our offense better, and make our football team better. I'm excited about both guys. They each have the intangibles, both have the physical attributes you need to be successful at the position, and we can win with both of them.”

He said he would not name a starter until he sees how things pan out through August camp. But he feels last year's experience will obviously benefit them both heading into another staunch SEC schedule.

“They see the game a lot better now and they have been through the preparation,” he said. “Neither one of them were really ready last year, but that's not a slight on either young man. It's hard to play any position as a freshman in the SEC, much less at the quarterback position. But both guys handled it the right way. I don't think their confidence was hurt at all. They are very realistic with their opportunities, and we need to play better around them. And I think the change with Brent Pease will help both of them.”


jbcarol:

Joker was not ready to name a starting QB coming out of spring practice. Wants someone to act like a starter.

jbcarol:

Also no QB battles settled. UF, A&M, Ole Miss and Auburn still figuring things out. Sorry fans ...

Ed Aschoff, ESPN

jbcarol:

That Bo Wallace was unable to move ahead of Barry Brunetti during spring ball speaks to two things, in my opinion. The first is to the relative complexity of Freeze’s quarterback-based offensive system, which while friendly to the position and simplistic in its overall goals — short, quick, aggressive — remains difficult to grasp over the span of 15 spring practices. The second is to the level of consistency Freeze demands from the position; he was somewhat blessed to have inherited Ryan Aplin, an experienced, dual-threat starter, while running the show at Arkansas State. A third take might reflect well on Brunetti: perhaps he’s put last season’s painful experience to good use, with his SEC and F.B.S. experience standing out against Wallace’s career on the JUCO ranks.

But Ole Miss brought in Wallace to start at quarterback...

jbcarol:

Loeffler's challenge now is to make Keihl Frazier, Clint Moseley or freshman Zeke Pike the next line on his resume. That trio will carry their quarterback competition into the fall, and while the winner will join an impressive line of Loeffler proteges, they aren't being asked to be the next Tom Brady or Tim Tebow or even their predecessor at Auburn, Cam Newton.
       
 "If Kiehl Frazier, Clint Moseley and Zeke Pike are trying to be themselves," Loeffler said, "we've got a chance."

Loeffler is practicing what he preaches. With Newton at the controls, Gus Malzahn's up-tempo offense brought a national title to the Plains for the first time in 53 years. But Loeffler isn't pigeon-holing his style into Malzahn's offense.

jbcarol:

State has stability, promise at quarterback
 

--- Quote ---Tyler Russell heads into his junior season with plenty of confidence now that Chris Relf is out of the mix.
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jbcarol:

Jeff Blake's son said, "The way the offense is run is completely different than Malzahn, so they'll be a lot more chances for our guys to get the ball. It won't be a system like last year where the boundary receiver is the key receiver all the time."
 

--- Quote ---Blake will have his fourth different opening-day quarterback throwing to him...

Clint Moseley, who was slowed by a sore shoulder in the spring, is healthy again. Blake said Moseley "can be a successful quarterback in the SEC."

Kiehl Frazier "had a great spring. I'm very proud how he's stepped up and how much a leader he has grown into. You can tell he's very comfortable in this offense."

"I commend Zeke Pike coming here early and trying to grind with us," he said. "That's not an easy thing to do coming straight out of high school. It had to be kind of a shock for him when he first got here. He's grown up a lot since he's been here." 

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jbcarol:

The flip side of QB controversy is having ESPN project a 3,000 yard passing season
 

--- Quote ---The SEC gets a bad rap when it comes to throwing the football, but the reality is that the league has produced a first-round selection at quarterback in eight of the past 10 NFL drafts. And we’re talking six different teams.

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jbcarol:

ex-Gator QB Doug Johnson shed some light on the current starting battle between UF sophomore quarterbacks Jacoby Brissett and Jeff Driskel.

“I think they'll both become the players they want to be,” Johnson said. “They're both working on different things right now, but what they really both need is to mature.

“They need a string of games where they play well so that they can build that confidence. At Florida, you have to have it if you want to stop all the bullets coming your way. Because at that position (quarterback), you're going to see them.”


jbcarol:

Miles is confident that junior Zach Mettenberger, the Georgia transfer, will perform better than the senior tandem, Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee, that he backed up a year ago. “We’ll move the football more in the air with Zach than we did in the past. His strength is the ability to throw," Miles said. "Certainly we want to throw the football better. I think our quarterback’s skill set will be such that we’ll throw the football more and more efficiently than we did a year ago.”

Buff:

How come that great throwing QB didn't log time in the big game last year if he's that much better?

Pudgepork:

how much time does Muschamp have before his chair gets warm?

WILL CLINTON:


--- Quote from: Pudgepork on June 22, 2012, 07:10:20 pm ---how much time does Muschamp have before his chair gets warm?

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about 70 days

jbcarol:

Freshman quarterback Nick Schuessler and freshman receiver Adarrius Perkins will not be on MSU’s roster this season, a team spokesman confirmed this morning.
 

--- Quote ---Only two quarterbacks — starter Tyler Russell and backup Dak Prescott — are on scholarship for the 2012 season. MSU added a well-recruited walkon, Jamil Golden, at the start of the summer and might suddenly be a factor in the fall.

The Bulldogs were in dire need of an extra quarterback following the departure of Dylan Favre in December, and got a late start on the recruiting trail.

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jbcarol:

Only six of the 14 schools are sending a quarterback to SEC media days in Hoover. Only three of those are named "Tyler".
 
Tyler Wilson
Zach Mettenberger
Tyler Russell
Connor Shaw
Tyler Bray
Jordan Rodgers

jbcarol:

How to decide who Kentucky should start at QB.

jbcarol:

Joker mentioned yesterday at SEC Media Days that the QB position is deep and the starting position is potentially up for grabs. Maybe Joker’s comments were just ”coach-speak” to keep all of the QB’s motivated...
 

--- Quote ---Although Smith is the overall fan-favorite to take over the position this year on a full-time basis, there’s a small but loud minority of fans pulling for incoming freshman Patrick Towles. The 4-star recruit out of Fort Thomas, KY wasn’t mentioned by Phillips yesterday in the particular comment he made above when discussing the QB position, but almost certainly Towles was simply an error of omission, someone who Joker intended to talk about but did not. Or possibly, the omission of Towles was not a mistake at all and Joker has plans of redshirting his top recruit of the incoming class this season.

I don’t actually think that there is a real competition for the #1 starting spot this season. Max Smith should end up being the starting quarterback without much controversy on Sept. 2nd.

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jbcarol:

Neither Jeff Driskel nor Jacoby Brissett was able to separate himself from the other during spring practice and summer workouts, so Florida’s quarterback situation is still unsettled heading into the first day of practice Aug. 4.
 

--- Quote ---Jeff Driskel

Driskel played in five games and completed 16 of 34 passes for 148 yards and two interceptions. We broke the stats down from the 17 drives in which he either threw a pass or carried the ball. In those 17 drives, the Gators managed just 21 first downs, scored only 10 points, and turned the ball over four times. Driskel accounted for three of those (two interceptions and a fumble).

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jbcarol:

In College Station, Sumlin's decision will be between three young, inexperienced signal-callers: redshirt sophomore Jameill Showers, redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel and sophomore Matt Joeckel.
 

--- Quote ---Sumlin and offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury are installing their Air Raid offense with which Houston had so much success.

The offense, which was popularized by Hal Mumme and Mike Leach, involves heavy use of the shotgun, lots of passing and in Sumlin and Kingsbury's version, a breakneck tempo.

More than anything, the pace at which the offense will be the key mission for whomever wins the quarterback job. In the last four years at Houston, the Cougars averaged more than 78 plays per game. That tempo helped the Cougars find advantages against defenses not accustomed to moving at that pace.
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jbcarol:

Dooley: if you could give me the stats for Florida's quarterbacks at the end of the season right now, I could give you Florida's record...

they have to be able to manage the game and avoid turnovers. If one or both of them does that, Florida has a chance to have a really good season. If they don't, it's going to be difficult. Not to put any pressure on the sophomores.


jbcarol:

Auburn will open fall football practice Wednesday with the same lingering question that followed the Tigers in spring practice.

Who's going to be the starting quarterback?
 

--- Quote ---The contenders are Kiehl Frazier and Clint Moseley. The judges are offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler and head coach Gene Chizik. The decision could come a week into fall practice. Or maybe it has been made? If so, Loeffler and Chizik aren't telling, so the race for the starting quarterback job will soak up much of the focus early on.

But there are other questions -- like who replaces 1,000-yard rusher Mike Dyer...
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jbcarol:

Frazier, Moseley discuss offense, fast-starting rookies

jbcarol:

Jacoby, Jeff Driskel continue battle for Florida's starting quarterback job

 

--- Quote ---"Everyone wants to ask me about the quarterback position," Muschamp said. "I feel really good about that position because we have two players that are competing that are going to make each other better, our offense better and our team better."

Muschamp reiterated throughout the spring and summer that time won't be a factor when it comes to making a decision.

"We'll know when the time is right," Muschamp added.

For Brissett, that time was week five of last season, when he stepped into the starting role after starter John Brantley was injured. He started back-to-back games. The first start was a trial by fire, with Brissett matching up against No. 1 LSU in Baton Rouge. He finished the season by completing 46 percent of his passes for 206 yards and two touchdowns.

Driskel saw action in five games last season, but he never started. He completed 47 percent of his passes for 148 yards and two interceptions.
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jbcarol:

'No separation whatsoever,' says coordinator Scot Loeffler
 

--- Quote ---"It's still too early to say. We're still in the installation phase," Chizik said.

Loeffler, Chizik, Frazier and Moseley all said Saturday most of the offense has been devoted to developing the run game.
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aristotle:

Thanks for the updates, JB

jbcarol:


--- Quote from: aristotle on August 05, 2012, 09:35:03 am ---Thanks for the updates, JB

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Some of the SEC programs are taking this down to the wire.

A few like not naming a starter and drawing it out for some reason.

jbcarol:

UK QB is up for grabs.

“I wish the decision was already made,” Phillips said, “but it’s not because of the competition that we have.”
 

--- Quote ---In that there is a quarterback competition, this interested observer puts the opening pecking order as such:

■ No. 1 is sophomore Maxwell Smith, who finished last season as the starting quarterback, if you don’t count the win over Tennessee in which a wide receiver (Matt Roark, now graduated) started at quarterback.

■ No. 2 is Morgan Newton, who began last season as the starting quarterback, more or less lost the job, was later injured but is now healthy again. More or less.

■ No. 3 is true freshman Patrick Towles, who played in 45 games as a high school quarterback and happened to win 44.
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jbcarol:

Neither Barry Brunetti [n]or Bo Wallace has leapt out to the front of the quarterback competition through three days of practice, as both struggle with inconsistency.

"We'll go in lapses," Freeze said. "We'll have four good plays in a row where they do good things that don't create negative plays, and then we'll have two or three that are disastrous that you just can't have and be successful."

Though both were impressive during seven-on-seven drills (without a pass rush)...

jbcarol:

Dak Prescott is not Mississippi State's starting quarterback, but he could be.

Coaches expect the redshirt freshman to play this season behind Tyler Russell, who has bided his time, prepared and earned the job as the Bulldogs' starting quarterback over the last three years.

Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen wants two quarterbacks capable of starting in the SEC by the time the Bulldogs open the season Sept. 1 against Jackson State.

Prescott is the Bulldogs' quarterback of the future, and ramping up his production - and building his confidence - this season appears to be Mullen's goal in 2012.

What makes Prescott a threat and a complement to Russell is his body. He is a hulk running the ball at 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, and has the arm strength to keep defenses honest.

As a reserve, the prevailing thought is that he could be a situational quarterback, a role player and running threat in the red zone like on-again, off-again starter Chris Relf in 2011.

jbcarol:

UGa's Hutson Mason has played his true freshman and sophomore seasons as Aaron Murray's backup yet plans to redshirt this season to put a year between him and Murray, who is a redshirt junior. Bulldogs coach Mark Richt said last week that if something happens to Murray before the season that Mason would be elevated, but at what point this fall would Richt feel comfortable with redshirt freshman Christian LeMay if Murray went down?

"I think it really just depends on how we're doing," Mason said. "If we're undefeated and Murray gets hurt and he's out for the season, that's quite the opportunity to step in and hopefully lead the team to an SEC championship. I'll obviously have to sit down with Coach Richt at some point and determine when is too late.

"If he gets hurt for one game, it probably wouldn't make much sense for me to lose a redshirt, but it depends on what that game is. If he gets hurt in the SEC championship game and we're going to play in the national championship game -- those are things you can't really get a feel for right now."

Richt's dismissal of Zach Mettenberger, now the starting quarterback at LSU, in the spring of 2010 put Mason on a fast track when he arrived that summer.


3BoarsDown:


--- Quote from: jbcarol on August 06, 2012, 07:44:05 am ---A few like not naming a starter and drawing it out for some reason.

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Auburn is trying to keep Clint Moseley from transferring when he's not named the starter so they'll wait until he is enrolled in classes before announcing Frazier.

jbcarol:

Freeze, to put it nicely, wasn't pleased with the QB play today. Said both Wallace and Brunetti had their share of "awful" decisions.

Spirit Ben

jbcarol:

Sumlin on the presumed starter, sophomore Jameill Showers: “Jameill has got an extremely strong arm and an extremely quick release. He’s got the ability to throw balls into tight coverage. He’s got a cannon, but he still has the ability to move around. He’s (also) strong in there – he’s 215 pounds or something like that. He’s put together.”

Sumlin on freshman Johnny Manziel, the presumed No. 2 at this point: “Johnny is a creator. He can throw it, and I think he’s become a better passer in the last six or seven months, and since the spring. He’s worked on his motion and from what we saw in the spring he’s able to move around and extend plays, and create some other offense after that. In the spring that got him in trouble some, too. What he’s worked on is his ability to sit in there a little bit more and make decisions. The key between those two guys is decision making.”

Sumlin on sophomore Matt Joeckel, twin brother of standout left tackle Luke Joeckel: “He’s probably thrown some of the best deep balls of anybody in camp. He’s more of a pocket guy, and he knows that. He’s a bigger guy and not a run-around guy, and that plays to his strength. That’s probably why he’s such a deep-ball thrower. He’ll sit in there and let it rip.”

jbcarol:

Jeff Sentell: "I'd like to see who's the quarterback after Auburn starts out 0 and 2".
 

--- Quote ---When will Gene Chizik name a starting quarterback for this season? Auburn players talk and act like they know Kiehl Frazier will be the starter for the Tigers.

Doug Segrest makes the assessment that if he looks like the starter, talks like a starter then Frazier must be No. 1 for the Tigers. Jeff says that Clint Moseley was the incumbent and wonders what Frazier did to win the job last season.
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jbcarol:

John Clay: I'll admit I was surprised that Joker Phillips didn't name Maxwell Smith as his starting quarterback during his meeting with the media this afternoon. All signs after Saturday's scrimmage seemed to point toward the sophomore getting the nod. Phillips was a little more coy on Saturday, saying he needed to look at the tape to see if there was “enough separation” to make a decision. Offensive coordinator Randy Sanders was more blunt, without going all the way to making his pick. Sanders praised Smith, said Morgan Newton was still trying to overcome his off-season shoulder surgery and that the two true freshmen (Patrick Towles and Jalen Whitlow) were significantly behind the two veterans.

jbcarol:

http://www.mrsec.com/2012/08/driskel-injury-at-uf-shines-light-on-bigger-problem-with-fans-media/

jbcarol:

Quarterback controversy. Quarterback competition. Quarterback luxury. However one labels the traditional camp question across the land, it's at full throttle at Texas A&M with kickoff a little more than two weeks away.
 

--- Quote ---Asked to evaluate the play of Jameill Showers and Johnny Manziel after last weekend's scrimmage at Kyle Field, first-year coach Kevin Sumlin tossed in another name.

"How about Showers, Manziel and (Matt) Joeckel?" Sumlin said. "You need to evaluate all three."
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jbcarol:

Sullivan: Kentucky football must resolve its QB dilemna
 

--- Quote ---Joker Phillips has too many quarterbacks and not enough. He has more than he can use, but no one he can trust implicitly. He is like the excessively patient pocket passer, dithering so long that he is likely to get sacked.

Less than three weeks away from the start of his third season, the embattled Kentucky football coach — and yes, this may be a redundancy — has not yet designated his starter for the Wildcats’ ominous opener at Louisville.

Some of this may be by design. Every minute Louisville coach Charlie Strong...

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jbcarol:

Clint Moseley’s hurt throwing shoulder limited his play in Auburn’s third scrimmage of the fall Wednesday, but, no that didn’t change the quarterback race.
 

--- Quote ---Chizik talked again of inconsistent play among the quarterbacks.

"We had our moments. There were some good things. I think we’re too sporadic," he said.

Chizik said the game tape would provide "great evaluation for us."

Chizik didn’t budge Wednesday, however. He didn’t name a starter.

"That plays back to the inconsistencies we’re trying to address as a team," he said.

Frazier said the defense had the big plays in the situational scrimmage.
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jbcarol:

A&M named redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel as the Aggies' starter for the Aug. 30 matchup against Louisiana Tech in Shreveport, La.

The 6-foot-1, 200-pound Manziel won an open competition that included redshirt sophomores Jameill Showers and Matt Joeckel and true freshman Matt Davis.

Manziel was a Parade All-American at Kerrville (Texas) Tivy where he earned a state and national player of the year award.

"Johnny has performed the best at this stage and we will proceed until the season opener with him getting the first-team reps," Sumlin said. "My policy is simple really; the best player plays. Competition is a great thing and we need more competition at all of our positions. All of our quarterbacks have competed well and I expect them to continue to push Johnny."


Aston Martin 8 dude:


--- Quote from: jbcarol on August 15, 2012, 10:29:38 pm ---Clint Moseley’s hurt throwing shoulder limited his play in Auburn’s third scrimmage of the fall Wednesday, but, no that didn’t change the quarterback race.

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Perhaps it's time to go to plan b: Make another large and generous donation of (S)Cam's preacher daddy's church and he could play on Saturday's. SN would still be available to play for Carolina on Sundays. Works out great for everyone.

jbcarol:

Auburn scrimmage notebook: Quarterback race stays the same

 

--- Quote ---Auburn scrimmaged in front of its football donors in Jordan-Hare Stadium on Saturday, but a lot of it was for entertainment purposes only.

The first team defense mostly watched the serious work. And it was another scrimmage in which Clint Moseley was limited to the two-minute offense because of  a sore shoulder, which left most of the work for Kiehl Frazier and Jonathan Wallace. Frazier threw a long touchdown pass to Emory Blake. Wallace threw a long TD pass to Ricardo Louis.

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jbcarol:

Chizik's stance on QBs is doing no one any favors

jbcarol:

Maxwell Smith is named Kentucky's starting QB over senior Morgan Newton and true freshman Patrick Towles
 

--- Quote ---When asked what Smith had done well this fall camp, Joker Phillips replied, “He's really accurate.”

“He doesn't always throw the tighest spiral,” admitted Phillips, before quickly adding that many outstanding quarterbacks did not throw bullets with perfect spins.

Leadership. Smith is a laid-back California guy...

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jbcarol:

Goldberg: Auburn, Ole Miss, and Florida are SEC Teams yet to name their starting QB.
 

--- Quote ---Here are the starting QBs in the SEC:

Alabama: AJ McCarron
Arkansas: Tyler Wilson
Auburn: Kiehl Frazier or Clint Moseley
Florida: Jacoby Brissett or Jeff Driskel
Georgia: Aaron Murray
Kentucky: Maxwell Smith 
LSU: Zach Mettenberger
Ole Miss:  Bo Wallace or Barry Brunetti
Mississippi State: Tyler Russell
Missouri: James Franklin
South Carolina: Connor Shaw
Tennessee: Tyler Bray
Texas A&M: Johnny Manziel
Vanderbilt: Jordan Rodgers

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jbcarol:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/48514/sizing-up-the-sec-quarterback-battles-2

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