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Title: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: tophawg19 on September 10, 2019, 08:09:18 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: thebignasty on September 10, 2019, 08:10:18 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when the got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back
Can you quote a post where someone has rooted against him or the Razorbacks and post it in this thread?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on September 10, 2019, 08:10:42 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when the got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

I don't agree. Most just want to win and they will adopt whomever produces those wins.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 10, 2019, 08:10:50 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when the got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

That’s ridiculous.

I think some of you are too sensitive to others opinions.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: SeldomHere on September 10, 2019, 08:14:36 pm
I have hope for the offensive line because Kurt is not coaching them. They will get better and we will get better lineman coming in. When that happens we should have a better chance to win. If it does not, we will be looking at a coaching search in year 4 or 5.  I am not rooting for Morris and hogs to lose, but to win.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: David† on September 10, 2019, 08:15:00 pm
I have very little confidence in Chad Morris.

I hope he turns out to be the winningest coach we ever had.

Both statements can be true.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: 26.2Hog on September 10, 2019, 08:24:33 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

Good grief.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 08:26:18 pm
I think 99 percent of hog fans are just upset with state of program since  Petrino last coached.  Some more vocal and extreme than others. I hope though we didn’t lose fans or have fans give up on the program. Talking to a guy recently and their family started following bama just because they win. Hope it’s the extreme end of the Bell chart with that one.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: tophawg19 on September 10, 2019, 08:29:51 pm
Can you quote a post where someone has rooted against him or the Razorbacks and post it in this thread?
pick any thread and read it , mostly negative BS with little facts . with all the changes we have had to make , everyone should have known this was a team who would struggle to find an identity early on. I thought we could beat Ole Miss but am not surprised . The young guys have come on a bit slower and Our qb Starkel needs time to learn more of the playbook but that was expected by many of us . Yet every thread has tons of posts trashing Morris, Craddock , even the water boy. But refusing to grasp that we lack experience all over the field and each injury sets us back more
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: thebignasty on September 10, 2019, 08:31:04 pm
pick any thread and read it , mostly negative BS with little facts . with all the changes we have had to make , everyone should have known this was a team who would struggle to find an identity early on. I thought we could beat Ole Miss but am not surprised . The young guys have come on a bit slower and Our qb Starkel needs time to learn more of the playbook but that was expected by many of us . Yet every thread has tons of posts trashing Morris, Craddock , even the water boy. But refusing to grasp that we lack experience all over the field and each injury sets us back more
If 70% of the posters here are openly rooting against Morris and the team, it seems like it'd be pretty easy to find one post and quote it here.


Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on September 10, 2019, 08:32:00 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail .

Names?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: solitons on September 10, 2019, 08:33:42 pm
I don't agree. Most just want to win and they will adopt whomever produces those wins.
totally agreed with you, +1
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 10, 2019, 08:34:08 pm
Names?

CRICKETS.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: tophawg19 on September 10, 2019, 08:36:51 pm
CRICKETS.
read the posts . too many to name . look and see how many have already written Morris off and it is only two games into the season with an undermanned team
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: tophawg19 on September 10, 2019, 08:38:02 pm
I don't agree. Most just want to win and they will adopt whomever produces those wins.
But won't support the coach trying to build a team to get the  wins .
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: The NewEra on September 10, 2019, 08:39:40 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

You're not getting a lot of support for your opinion so far and I disagree with the percentage, but I do think you are right that there are some who want him to fail and fail soon so that they can hope to get their guy in here.  What they don't understand is that they may not get their guy, there will be another culture change, the same players will be here at O-Line and the other positions.  Plus, the new coach will have to recruit themselves out of this situation.  From what I've seen, I have little doubt that some who come to this board want the coach to fail.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: (notOM)Rebel123 on September 10, 2019, 08:41:10 pm
Names?

Well, you have a 13 page thread on Petrino with ridiculous comments such as...
“Most fans and the U0fA don't want to win, and that is just a fact...”
and I don’t recall you questioning that.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: widespreadsooie on September 10, 2019, 08:42:59 pm
You've manifested this in your head, my guy.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: (notOM)Rebel123 on September 10, 2019, 08:44:35 pm
You've manifested this in your head, my guy.

well, certainly the 70% part. That’s a tad inflated. But you gotta admit, there are some posters on here that would rather the Hogs lose just so they can crow “I told you so!”   ;D
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: pigachu on September 10, 2019, 08:46:17 pm
BS. I’ve been in a sold out RRS with Nutt, then Petrino, And Bret. I’ve also been in bud walton when it was full to the gills with Nolan, Heath, pelphrey(miss st. ‘09), and Mike. Not to mention norm and Dave’s sellouts at Baum.

Hog fans want a winner and will always show up no matter who the coach is
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: tophawg19 on September 10, 2019, 08:47:46 pm
You've manifested this in your head, my guy.
can you read ? every thread is blown up with "Fire Morris people
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Papawhawg on September 10, 2019, 08:48:44 pm
If 70% of the posters here are openly rooting against Morris and the team, it seems like it'd be pretty easy to find one post and quote it here.

That's the key word....
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: thebignasty on September 10, 2019, 08:52:43 pm
That's the key word....
OP says 2/3rd to 70% of the posters here are cheering for Chad Morris to fail.   I feel like that kind of claim would be pretty easy to back up with examples, since quoting one at random would have a 70% chance of being an example that proves his point, but OP seems reluctant or unable to provide any.


Seems bogus to me.

Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: widespreadsooie on September 10, 2019, 08:53:33 pm
can you read ? every thread is blown up with "Fire Morris people

Nope, if I PM you my cell # will you call me to explain all the senseless garbage you've taken the time to wade thru?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: EastexHawg on September 10, 2019, 08:54:27 pm
Here we go again.  Didn't we hear the same thing when Fat Boy was here?  "Some of you want Coach to lose!"

Yes, yes, it is the fans' fault.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: (notOM)Rebel123 on September 10, 2019, 08:55:56 pm
Here we go again.  Didn't we hear the same thing when Fat Boy was here?  "Some of you want Coach to lose!"

Yes, yes, it is the fans' fault.

Well, if you read through enough of the threads, there are plenty of posts to make one seriously consider the possibility. But I really doubt ( and certainly hope) that some fans are really wishing we would lose. But they sure do post things that make you wonder where their allegiance lies.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 08:56:21 pm
OP says 2/3rd to 70% of the posters here are cheering for Chad Morris to fail.   I feel like that kind of claim would be pretty easy to back up with examples, since quoting one at random would have a 70% chance of being an example that proves his point, but OP seems reluctant or unable to provide any.


Seems bogus to me.

Also why would anyone participating on this message board be privately cheering Morris to fail? Don’t think that’s anywhere close to being 70 percent. We live in a world of insecurity, that’s all.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on September 10, 2019, 08:56:51 pm
But won't support the coach trying to build a team to get the  wins .

Well I disagree. I think that many overlook the negative leadership last year that really hurt this team, but there are also many like me that feel like, even giving Morris a pass for last season, that with greater buy-in from the team over the off season, that we could reasonably expect better success and a team that looked like it was more on the same page with one another after all this time.

Do we have all of the talent that we need? No, have to keep recruiting, but if you don't show significant progress, it will be difficult to recruit even as well as last year. If you can do that and you are that persuasive, then you need to be in big-ticket sales instead of coaching. ;)

I guess my point is, I'm all for Morris and sustainability and consistency of the coaching staff, but man you got to step up at some point and demonstrate improvement. For a team that is supposedly "all bought in" and committed to the process, I've not seen this team bear fruit as they should have. I understand that we are playing a lot of young players who are inexperienced, but even the experienced players seem to not be producing (RB?) aside from Boyd.

There are enough experienced players on this team that should be pushing everyone to produce at any level. I'm just not seeing it and that leadership originates with the staff. I have no problem with Chavis and what he is trying to produce, but I have a problem with everyone else at this point.

Maybe that will change? 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 10, 2019, 09:06:14 pm
OP says 2/3rd to 70% of the posters here are cheering for Chad Morris to fail.   I feel like that kind of claim would be pretty easy to back up with examples, since quoting one at random would have a 70% chance of being an example that proves his point, but OP seems reluctant or unable to provide any.


Seems bogus to me.

Well lets make this sort of scientific... Ill pull some random posts here from random.org
1-40 is the seed. I like math I can do this all day.

“« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 01:07:30 pm »
ReplyQuote
2020 we play the Irish correct?  That should be fun”


“« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2019, 06:44:58 pm »
ReplyQuote
Reckonin and wreckoning on this one.  Sometimes thik that there might be answer but not seriously.”


“The new pecking order should be

1.  Starkle
2.  Jones
3.  KJ, and maybe forget the redshirt and move KJ up the ladder. ”


“Quote from: LAHogfan123 on Today at 01:04:37 pm
Welcome to Hogville.   I don't agree with anyone who thinks our football coach needs to be fired now or at the end of the season, that's just people's medication talking is all.  Even though I'll probably die of old age before we win again like during the days of Petrino, I hope Morris can lead us to one SEC win before he leaves.

why not wait until the end of the season to make that determination”



do you think coach can figure it out during this season? I think he may need more time to find who should be the starter, so he is experimenting now, and giving them even time to have first team reps.“



70 percent?


Yeah no.


I think just accept other people have opinions. I can pull more randomly if you want.



Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Swestwill66 on September 10, 2019, 09:07:18 pm
Before the season , I believe most people believed there was a " realistic " chance to win 4-6 games this year. I don't think anyone pictured how ugly it might look getting to 4 wins. Portland state for example. I think most expected a blow out. Didn't happen. Thought we might beat Ole Miss. Close for a sec win, didn't happen.
  Before the season, most expected to see improvements in the coaching staff, I'd have to say it hasn't happened, on the offensive side anyhow.
  A win Saturday and I think most will be talking about how much better they look and there might be a light at the end of the tunnel.


I think we would like to see them put up a fight against our sec opponents and not get hammered by all of them.
  The last two and half to three years has been practically unbearable to watch, but no hog fan will ever cheer against the hogs !
There is a lot of frustration so there will be venting.
  The old saying, winning cures everything. we need a win !
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: thebignasty on September 10, 2019, 09:13:23 pm
Well lets make this sort of scientific... Ill pull some random posts here from random.org
1-40 is the seed. I like math I can do this all day.

“« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 01:07:30 pm »
ReplyQuote
2020 we play the Irish correct?  That should be fun”


“« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2019, 06:44:58 pm »
ReplyQuote
Reckonin and wreckoning on this one.  Sometimes thik that there might be answer but not seriously.”


“The new pecking order should be

1.  Starkle
2.  Jones
3.  KJ, and maybe forget the redshirt and move KJ up the ladder. ”


“Quote from: LAHogfan123 on Today at 01:04:37 pm
Welcome to Hogville.   I don't agree with anyone who thinks our football coach needs to be fired now or at the end of the season, that's just people's medication talking is all.  Even though I'll probably die of old age before we win again like during the days of Petrino, I hope Morris can lead us to one SEC win before he leaves.

why not wait until the end of the season to make that determination”



do you think coach can figure it out during this season? I think he may need more time to find who should be the starter, so he is experimenting now, and giving them even time to have first team reps.“



70 percent?


Yeah no.


I think just accept other people have opinions. I can pull more randomly if you want.

Absolutely love that 1 in 3 randomly selected posts include a Starkel misspelling.

That's the Hogville I know.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 10, 2019, 09:14:34 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

Agree almost totally.
The almost is in the %.
I can't say for certain but many here hate Morris.They hated the hire. They wanted Leach
Norvell, Kiffen and now they want that scumbag Petrino.

They won't come out and say it openly for the most part but they take every opportunity
to trash CCM. 
They trash him because he is not their guy and he hasn't produced a miracle.

They never have a positive thing to say.
Every coach who has ever spoken on the subject has said the only way out is to recruit.
That is a long term process. You don't put freshmen in the SEC and expect great results.
You can sprinkle a few here and there  with lots of experience around them . But that's it.

It's a mob mentality. There is zero rationality in a mob. It adopts the emotional
maturity of a cranky three year old.

An attempt at a rational discussion of the situation gets marginalized by claiming it is just excuses.
You can't have a rational discussion with a three year old.

So I can't say anything about the % and if they openly say they want him to fail,
however they definitely want him gone and will do whatever it takes to see that happen.
They will damage the program to satisfy their selfish immature delusions
I don't go anywhere near twitter but from what I hear it is much worse than here.

Recruits and their parents read and hear this stuff. Other coaches will make sure they do.
It will be a self fulfilling prophecy if they succeed.
I pray they don't but you can't control or reason with a mob
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: thebignasty on September 10, 2019, 09:16:03 pm
Agree almost totally.
The almost is in the %.
I can't say for certain but many here hate Morris.They hated the hire. They wanted Leach
Norvell, Kiffen and now they want that scumbag Petrino.

They won't come out and say it openly for the most part but they take every opportunity
to trash CCM. 
They trash him because he is not their guy and he hasn't produced a miracle.

They never have a positive thing to say.
Every coach who has ever spoken on the subject has said the only way out is to recruit.
That is a long term process. You don't put freshmen in the SEC and expect great results.
You can sprinkle a few here and there  with lots of experience around them . But that's it.

It's a mob mentality. There is zero rationality in a mob. It adopts the emotional
maturity of a cranky three year old.

An attempt at a rational discussion of the situation gets marginalized by claiming it is just excuses.
You can't have a rational discussion with a three year old.

So I can't say anything about the % and if they openly say they want him to fail,
however they definitely want him gone and will do whatever it takes to see that happen.
They will damage the program to satisfy their selfish immature delusions
I don't go anywhere near twitter but from what I hear it is much worse than here.

Recruits and their parents read and hear this stuff. Other coaches will make sure they do.
It will be a self fulfilling prophecy if they succeed.
I pray they don't but you can't control or reason with a mob
This is a weird ass poem.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 10, 2019, 09:16:51 pm
Agree almost totally.
The almost is in the %.
I can't say for certain but many here hate Morris.They hated the hire. They wanted Leach
Norvell, Kiffen and now they want that scumbag Petrino.

They won't come out and say it openly for the most part but they take every opportunity
to trash CCM. 
They trash him because he is not their guy and he hasn't produced a miracle.

They never have a positive thing to say.
Every coach who has ever spoken on the subject has said the only way out is to recruit.
That is a long term process. You don't put freshmen in the SEC and expect great results.
You can sprinkle a few here and there  with lots of experience around them . But that's it.

It's a mob mentality. There is zero rationality in a mob. It adopts the emotional
maturity of a cranky three year old.

An attempt at a rational discussion of the situation gets marginalized by claiming it is just excuses.
You can't have a rational discussion with a three year old.

So I can't say anything about the % and if they openly say they want him to fail,
however they definitely want him gone and will do whatever it takes to see that happen.
They will damage the program to satisfy their selfish immature delusions
I don't go anywhere near twitter but from what I hear it is much worse than here.

Recruits and their parents read and hear this stuff. Other coaches will make sure they do.
It will be a self fulfilling prophecy if they succeed.
I pray they don't but you can't control or reason with a mob

Insecurity can be a disease.

Just accept other people have opinions other than yourself. It’s not a bad thing.

I would be willing to beT you in the 1000 people that post here a day less than 5 ACTUALLY want the hogs to lose Saturday.

That’s just my opinion. We really are not going to bet.


Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 09:18:26 pm
Nm..
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Dr Carl aka Shorthog on September 10, 2019, 09:21:03 pm
This is about the most ignorant post I have ever read. Yea, 7 out of 10 fans want the hogs to lose and Morris to fail. Yay, I love losing. Winning really sucks. Do you hear yourself?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Roadhog82 on September 10, 2019, 09:25:29 pm
Agree almost totally.
The almost is in the %.
I can't say for certain but many here hate Morris.They hated the hire. They wanted Leach
Norvell, Kiffen and now they want that scumbag Petrino.

They won't come out and say it openly for the most part but they take every opportunity
to trash CCM. 
They trash him because he is not their guy and he hasn't produced a miracle.

They never have a positive thing to say.
Every coach who has ever spoken on the subject has said the only way out is to recruit.
That is a long term process. You don't put freshmen in the SEC and expect great results.
You can sprinkle a few here and there  with lots of experience around them . But that's it.

It's a mob mentality. There is zero rationality in a mob. It adopts the emotional
maturity of a cranky three year old.

An attempt at a rational discussion of the situation gets marginalized by claiming it is just excuses.
You can't have a rational discussion with a three year old.

So I can't say anything about the % and if they openly say they want him to fail,
however they definitely want him gone and will do whatever it takes to see that happen.
They will damage the program to satisfy their selfish immature delusions
I don't go anywhere near twitter but from what I hear it is much worse than here.

Recruits and their parents read and hear this stuff. Other coaches will make sure they do.
It will be a self fulfilling prophecy if they succeed.
I pray they don't but you can't control or reason with a mob

100% correct
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Arkansas Hog in Dallas on September 10, 2019, 09:25:35 pm
I absolutely don’t think that’s true. If we go like 8-2 the rest of the way, basically everyone would shut up and would be hardcore Morris supporters. I think a lot of our issues stem from the fact we see the defense playing at a significantly higher level than the offense, so we don’t think it’s just recruiting. I mean, honest to goodness, it seems like many Morris supporters don’t expect a bowl until year 4 if then. I could be totally wrong, but if we go 4-8 this year and 5-7 in year 3 with 2-6 in conference and a loss to Notrw Dame, y’all would be totally fine keeping him for year 4 with only hoping for 6-6 at most.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Swestwill66 on September 10, 2019, 09:25:51 pm
Wouldn't there be threads saying " Let's hire Willie Taggart away from F.S.U. ". Or the guy at Tennessee.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Dr Carl aka Shorthog on September 10, 2019, 09:26:14 pm
Agree almost totally.
The almost is in the %.
I can't say for certain but many here hate Morris.They hated the hire. They wanted Leach
Norvell, Kiffen and now they want that scumbag Petrino.

They won't come out and say it openly for the most part but they take every opportunity
to trash CCM. 
They trash him because he is not their guy and he hasn't produced a miracle.

They never have a positive thing to say.
Every coach who has ever spoken on the subject has said the only way out is to recruit.
That is a long term process. You don't put freshmen in the SEC and expect great results.
You can sprinkle a few here and there  with lots of experience around them . But that's it.

It's a mob mentality. There is zero rationality in a mob. It adopts the emotional
maturity of a cranky three year old.

An attempt at a rational discussion of the situation gets marginalized by claiming it is just excuses.
You can't have a rational discussion with a three year old.

So I can't say anything about the % and if they openly say they want him to fail,
however they definitely want him gone and will do whatever it takes to see that happen.
They will damage the program to satisfy their selfish immature delusions
I don't go anywhere near twitter but from what I hear it is much worse than here.

Recruits and their parents read and hear this stuff. Other coaches will make sure they do.
It will be a self fulfilling prophecy if they succeed.
I pray they don't but you can't control or reason with a mob
I’ll openly admit it. I’d rather have leach, norvell, kiffin or Petrino. I was not and am not a fan of the Morris hire.
IMO you need Years perhaps to rack up players and wins. But I’m a firm believer that you can tell if a guy is a real winner and going to work out pretty quick. Like one max two years quick. They either have it or they don’t and it shows. Frank believed that as well.
But back on topic. To say I want the hogs to lose or Morris to fail is just plain stupid. We all want to win and win big. I just don’t think he’s the guy. I may be wrong and that’s ok.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Locutus_of_Boar on September 10, 2019, 09:29:30 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

It has nothing to do with what fans want. 

It has everything to do with the past as prologue.

If you look back at the last century of Arkansas football coaches some this become obvious:

7% of all Arkansas coaches coach for a long career and retire as a program legend.

7% of all Arkansas coaches leave for a non-football related reason.

33% of all coaches leave for another coaching job of their own free choice.  With one exception all those coaches left before the JFB era.

The remaining 53% are fired, bought out, had their golden handcuffs sawed off or otherwise leave under duress.

The average coaching tenure at Arkansas is 3.9 years.  Since joining the SEC the average is a more tollerant 4.6 years.

Only 9 of 32 coaches made it to their fifth year.   Only three made it to their tenth year.

Assuming for arguments sake Chad Morris was exactly average for an Arkansas coach he will most likely be fired sometime before the end of his fourth year.

That's not an emotional argument for or against CCM, just an acknowledgement of the realities of the job.  Assuming a coach who has yet to win his first power 5 game after 4+ years will finish average might be considered optimistic at best.



 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: sowmonella on September 10, 2019, 09:30:23 pm
A more accurate estimate of the percentage would be around 5-7%. These same 5 to 7% are the ones who seem to have all day access to post their opposition on every other thread.  One person has posted 120 times in the past 3 days and that might make it seems like 70%. They know who they are.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 09:34:24 pm
Agree almost totally.
The almost is in the %.
I can't say for certain but many here hate Morris.They hated the hire. They wanted Leach
Norvell, Kiffen and now they want that scumbag Petrino.

They won't come out and say it openly for the most part but they take every opportunity
to trash CCM. 
They trash him because he is not their guy and he hasn't produced a miracle.

They never have a positive thing to say.
Every coach who has ever spoken on the subject has said the only way out is to recruit.
That is a long term process. You don't put freshmen in the SEC and expect great results.
You can sprinkle a few here and there  with lots of experience around them . But that's it.

It's a mob mentality. There is zero rationality in a mob. It adopts the emotional
maturity of a cranky three year old.

An attempt at a rational discussion of the situation gets marginalized by claiming it is just excuses.
You can't have a rational discussion with a three year old.

So I can't say anything about the % and if they openly say they want him to fail,
however they definitely want him gone and will do whatever it takes to see that happen.
They will damage the program to satisfy their selfish immature delusions
I don't go anywhere near twitter but from what I hear it is much worse than here.

Recruits and their parents read and hear this stuff. Other coaches will make sure they do.
It will be a self fulfilling prophecy if they succeed.
I pray they don't but you can't control or reason with a mob

This is untrue. Most are upset about lack of progress and lack of qb development and selection last year and this year. People coming up with this stuff about rooting against the team that the op stated are fixated on message board extremists and believing that this is actually true. True delusion
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Roadhog82 on September 10, 2019, 09:34:28 pm
I absolutely don’t think that’s true. If we go like 8-2 the rest of the way, basically everyone would shut up and would be hardcore Morris supporters. I think a lot of our issues stem from the fact we see the defense playing at a significantly higher level than the offense, so we don’t think it’s just recruiting. I mean, honest to goodness, it seems like many Morris supporters don’t expect a bowl until year 4 if then. I could be totally wrong, but if we go 4-8 this year and 5-7 in year 3 with 2-6 in conference and a loss to Notrw Dame, y’all would be totally fine keeping him for year 4 with only hoping for 6-6 at most.

I'm a Morris supporter because he's our coach. I think any coach inheriting a dumpster fire should at least have the opportunity to recruit his way out of it. If we are 6-6 in year four, Fire him. I could even entertain the thought after 3 years. But not 14 games in
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: HogPharmer on September 10, 2019, 09:39:32 pm
Pointing out the obvious mistakes and failures of the coaching staff is not the same as wanting said coaching staff to fail.

I prefer to think of it as fans holding this coaching staff accountable to ensure they do their job. When the coaching staff fails to do their job, fans respond by not showing up for games.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on September 10, 2019, 09:39:36 pm
What's more likely is that once we start winning some games, the 70% you're talking about take credit for the wins, thinking they have helped  "hold Morris accountable" and helped him realize he better start working harder and win.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: HogPharmer on September 10, 2019, 09:41:03 pm
What's more likely is that once we start winning some games, the 70% you're talking about take credit for the wins, thinking they have helped  "hold Morris accountable" and helped him realize he better start working harder and win.

Haha your post couldn’t have been placed any more perfectly than 4 seconds right after mine. Touché.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: thebignasty on September 10, 2019, 09:41:38 pm
Pointing out the obvious mistakes and failures of the coaching staff is not the same as wanting said coaching staff to fail.

I prefer to think of it as fans holding this coaching staff accountable to ensure they do their job. When the coaching staff fails to do their job, fans respond by not showing up for games.
Its not like you can hold folks accountable by posting on message boards.  Its just losers like me burning some time talking about the team 30% of us want to see win.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: HogPharmer on September 10, 2019, 09:42:19 pm
Its not like you can hold folks accountable by posting on message boards.  Its just losers like me burning some time talking about the team 30% of us want to see win.

This too.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 09:46:13 pm
What's more likely is that once we start winning some games, the 70% you're talking about take credit for the wins, thinking they have helped  "hold Morris accountable" and helped him realize he better start working harder and win.

Jeez..you think criticism of the program means we are rooting against it? I feel like we learned about this sort of comparison in grade school. I guess we are in extreme times though, either you support everything or you’re something else right?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on September 10, 2019, 09:47:39 pm
Haha your post couldn’t have been placed any more perfectly than 4 seconds right after mine. Touché.

I told Hokie wife, "Come read this. This is epic."
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: LRHawg on September 10, 2019, 09:48:10 pm
I assure you, I’m tired of the hogs sucking.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: HogPharmer on September 10, 2019, 09:50:29 pm
I told Hokie wife, "Come read this. This is epic."

Full disclosure, I will be in attendance this Saturday at the game and I do always want to win. And FWIW, I have been on the Morris train. Haven’t fallen off yet. But the seat is getting slippery.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on September 10, 2019, 09:52:10 pm
Just need to start winning, everything else will work itself out.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: OkieBack on September 10, 2019, 10:02:33 pm
Nah, just 30% will stay mad when we start winning.  When we start winning, the other 40% will claim they supported Coach Morris all along and are happy to have him and the staff in Fayetteville. 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 10:05:20 pm
Nah, just 30% will stay mad when we start winning.  When we start winning, the other 40% will claim they supported Coach Morris all along and are happy to have him and the staff in Fayetteville.

30 percent mad on message board regardless of winning sounds about right.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: depressed_fan on September 10, 2019, 10:19:57 pm
I don't agree. Most just want to win and they will adopt whomever produces those wins.

I think what he is getting at is, Hogville posters and some fans that don't post here, cant endure the emotional roller coaster of being competitive.  They'd rather complain about being bad and know ahead of time they are going to lose but suggest how to fix it, than having a chance to actually win some of these conference games like we saw with Nutt and Petrino. 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: carolinahogger on September 10, 2019, 10:33:16 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail...

This is exactly what I came on to post.  Over the last few days I have come to the realization that there are a large number of 'fans' here who would prefer that we lose so they can be right about their prediction that Morris would fail.  It seems that they hope to gain some sort of internet credibility..."See?  I was right!  I was right!"

What sad and trivial lives these people must lead.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 10:38:15 pm
This is exactly what I came on to post.  Over the last few days I have come to the realization that there are a large number of 'fans' here who would prefer that we lose so they can be right about their prediction that Morris would fail.  It seems that they hope to gain some sort of internet credibility..."See?  I was right!  I was right!"

What sad and trivial lives these people must lead.
Ugh.. who? Point out the post that is hoping we lose? The extremist in you is making this about you then the actual reality of that nobody wants the hogs to lose!
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hawginbigd1 on September 10, 2019, 11:40:37 pm
Well, if you read through enough of the threads, there are plenty of posts to make one seriously consider the possibility. But I really doubt ( and certainly hope) that some fans are really wishing we would lose. But they sure do post things that make you wonder where their allegiance lies.
nah it's not us it's you. If the staff didn't continue to handle things like a circus and the team showed legitimate growth in 14 games the tenor would be way less negative.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: DLUXHOG on September 10, 2019, 11:42:15 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

well... your fricking wrong...   winning heals all things....
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: greenEGnHAWGS on September 10, 2019, 11:48:03 pm
The truth is that there is a very small percentage of people who actually WANT Morris to lose. These aren’t true fans. They want to solely be able to say “I told you so” when their guy wasn’t hired.

The VAST majority of our fans are just tired of losing. Petrino spoiled us and we are STARVING to get back...regardless of facts. Facts that show the mess our program was in. Morris hasn’t brought us back as far as we think we COULD/SHOULD be...so they bellyache cuz they want SO BADLY to be a dominant team once again.

There is another very similar to this that remembers where we have been and CRAVES it also, but are simply more level headed and willing to give a current staff every opportunity until is CLEAR that he will NOT be able to get it done.

The PROBLEM is that both sides don’t handle it well. If you’re not negative and hate the belly-aching, then you’re labeled a “sunshine pumper”. If you aren’t happy and just want to complain, you’re labeled a Morris hater and want him to lose. Most of the time, neither are true.

I’d prefer if everyone was more level-headed and didn’t throw out the “Morris sucks!” after every bad played, but that’ll never happen. But we need to face it that most likely Morris isn’t going anywhere after this year and will be given a 3rd year. THEN he could see the door...but maybe we could just see what happens, eh?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: BeaverHog on September 10, 2019, 11:54:22 pm
The truth is that there is a very small percentage of people who actually WANT Morris to lose. These aren’t true fans. They want to solely be able to say “I told you so” when their guy wasn’t hired.

The VAST majority of our fans are just tired of losing. Petrino spoiled us and we are STARVING to get back...regardless of facts. Facts that show the mess our program was in. Morris hasn’t brought us back as far as we think we COULD/SHOULD be...so they bellyache cuz they want SO BADLY to be a dominant team once again.

There is another very similar to this that remembers where we have been and CRAVES it also, but are simply more level headed and willing to give a current staff every opportunity until is CLEAR that he will NOT be able to get it done.

The PROBLEM is that both sides don’t handle it well. If you’re not negative and hate the belly-aching, then you’re labeled a “sunshine pumper”. If you aren’t happy and just want to complain, you’re labeled a Morris hater and want him to lose. Most of the time, neither are true.

I’d prefer if everyone was more level-headed and didn’t throw out the “Morris sucks!” after every bad played, but that’ll never happen. But we need to face it that most likely Morris isn’t going anywhere after this year and will be given a 3rd year. THEN he could see the door...but maybe we could just see what happens, eh?
Great post.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Formula Hog on September 11, 2019, 12:05:58 am
I'm 100% for that logo. I support this team. It's just gonna take a lot more from this coach and staff for me to believe that they are the solution, and the savior of Razorback Football he was built up to be when he was hired.

And if we didn't care, we wouldn't be posting, we wouldn't be watching, and we wouldn't be unhappy.

I will gladly credit this staff when it is warranted. But the kids have my full support.

Just get rid of the white helmets.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: jkstock04 on September 11, 2019, 12:45:46 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back
2/3rds of the posts are negative because at least 2/3rd of anything to do with Razorback football is negative right now and has been for a long time. People don't want the Hogs to fail.

I swear some of you guys just live in a fantasy land where the off-season never ends and it's nothing but rainbows and sunshine completely ignoring recent past results.

Beat Colorado State convincingly by 20 plus points like what should be and you will see 99% plus positive posts.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 05:07:43 am
This is what happens when you spend all off season building up the team on the message board. So many thought all the guys coming back would improve drastically and the new guys would come in and light the world on fire. So many thought the QB room was greatly improved.

So, as they watch the offense sputter and defense get gashed by bad teams they can't check those boxes. That's why you see all the posts. It's because they are up in arms as to why the team doesn't perform like they pictured it in their head knowing the team hasn't even played any decent to good teams.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Muleriderhog on September 11, 2019, 05:23:54 am
As of right now I want Morris fired at the end of this year because I dont think he is the answer. If he starts winning I'll 100% change my opinion. I dont give a crap who the coach is, I just want the hogs to get back to winning and put the last 7 years behind us.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: (notOM)Rebel123 on September 11, 2019, 06:24:05 am
nah it's not us it's you. If the staff didn't continue to handle things like a circus and the team showed legitimate growth in 14 games the tenor would be way less negative.

This staff has done very little to convince me they are right for the job.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 06:29:36 am
This is a weird ass poem.
Clearly you are not an English major
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 06:38:59 am
As of right now I want Morris fired at the end of this year because I dont think he is the answer. If he starts winning I'll 100% change my opinion. I dont give a crap who the coach is, I just want the hogs to get back to winning and put the last 7 years behind us.

Now here it is.
This is the cognitive dissonance that disguises the fact that
there are people who want the Razorbacks to lose.

The first thing you say is you want him fired.
Well duh if the Razorbacks win then we are then talking about
fired for crashing a motorcycle with a young woman not his wife and then
lying and trying to cover it up.

Ya know for cause.
I don't think that is going to happen so to get your
highly desired result the Razorbacks would have to lose.

I know logic is hard but maybe if you tried using rational thought instead
of emotional reactions things might look differently.

I  have no expectations of such an outcome but I do thank you
for actually making the OP"s point.

Btw here is the definition of cognitive dissonance.

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
nounPSYCHOLOGY
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 06:54:41 am
Now here it is.
This is the cognitive dissonance that disguises the fact that
there are people who want the Razorbacks to lose.

The first thing you say is you want him fired.
Well duh if the Razorbacks win then we are then talking about
fired for crashing a motorcycle with a young woman not his wife and then
lying and trying to cover it up.

Ya know for cause.
I don't think that is going to happen so to get your
highly desired result the Razorbacks would have to lose.

I know logic is hard but maybe if you tried using rational thought instead
of emotional reactions things might look differently.

I  have no expectations of such an outcome but I do thank you
for actually making the OP"s point.

Btw here is the definition of cognitive dissonance.

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
nounPSYCHOLOGY
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.

No, he said he wants him fired because in his estimation Morris will continue to lose.  If he wins he's not losing and the OP would be very pleased with that outcome.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 06:55:11 am
This is what happens when you spend all off season building up the team on the message board. So many thought all the guys coming back would improve drastically and the new guys would come in and light the world on fire. So many thought the QB room was greatly improved.

So, as they watch the offense sputter and defense get gashed by bad teams they can't check those boxes. That's why you see all the posts. It's because they are up in arms as to why the team doesn't perform like they pictured it in their head knowing the team hasn't even played any decent to good teams.

I believe you make some excellent points.

But I don't think the defense has been gashed by inferior teams.

We dominated PSU defensively. We had three interceptions, and stopped their running game.
They had 2 field goals and one TD late in the game on a busted play.

Ol Miss is an SEC team and may or may not be an "inferior team"
Arkansas is a young (I know you and all the Morris Haters despise hearing it) inexperienced team.
Otis wrote an article detailing those facts.
We also lack depth. We started an undersized freshman on the oline. We had a freashman
with a broken hand playing d end.

I know no one thinks the qb room is improved and you all hate Ben Hicks
but we are not having presnap penalties and we are in the correct formations
This is a very big improvement over last year
We so far are not throwing 4-6 interceptions in a game.
Now I can't see the improvement for you but an objective assessment
would clearly we are better at the qb position..

The offense is not performing up to our desired standards
mainly because the oline is still a work in progress. An oline needs to function as a unit.
We have had injuries and cross training and we do not have experienced depth.
This is not your microwave

Lacking more injuries I would expect the offense to perform better as the season goes on

Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 06:56:07 am
No, he said he wants him fired because in his estimation Morris will continue to lose.  If he wins he's not losing and the OP would be very pleased with that outcome.
Sure.
Ya got any bridges to sell?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Pork Twain on September 11, 2019, 07:34:14 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

I think that we saw the same thing with CBP and CBB and if CCM starts winning, everyone will jump onboard.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hobhog on September 11, 2019, 07:48:33 am
Message boards don't represent the masses. Do you read the letters to editors in newspapers? Some real interesting "posts" there too.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on September 11, 2019, 07:57:00 am
I think that we saw the same thing with CBP and CBB and if CCM starts winning, everyone will jump onboard.

There has never been a majority of posters favoring firing of a coach in year 2.......never.........TCTWF and BB both had a lot of "dark side" posters....but not in year 2.  The original poster here wrongly, imo, equates  unhappiness with the current state of the program with the desire to see CCM fail......I think nothing could be farther from the truth.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Redhogs on September 11, 2019, 08:08:14 am
read the posts . too many to name . look and see how many have already written Morris off and it is only two games into the season with an undermanned team
I think you are confusing disappointment with desired outcome.....everybody wants and loves a winner for whatever team they root for....in our case it is the Razorbacks.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: CoastalHawg on September 11, 2019, 08:09:51 am
I have been a consistent critic of Morris for the past few weeks. I think the program is bigger than the HC and do not think Morris showed enough growth as a HC from year 1 to year 2. Running an SEC program is a huge job and it’s not about offensive genius or lack thereof. It also isn’t only about recruiting although critical. I am for whatever puts the program back on track to relevance in the shortest amount of time. Personally I think I’ve seen enough of Morris and staff to say they aren’t the answer. But my opinion means jack squat. Hunter Yurachek is actively making that determination and my sense is he will make it happen with or without Morris.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Hogmatic on September 11, 2019, 08:14:00 am
pick any thread and read it , mostly negative BS with little facts . with all the changes we have had to make , everyone should have known this was a team who would struggle to find an identity early on. I thought we could beat Ole Miss but am not surprised . The young guys have come on a bit slower and Our qb Starkel needs time to learn more of the playbook but that was expected by many of us . Yet every thread has tons of posts trashing Morris, Craddock , even the water boy. But refusing to grasp that we lack experience all over the field and each injury sets us back more

I think we saw it go off the tracks for a while which has allowed the crazies to take over.  It made me mad to see so many people be allowed to trash our program, coach and players.  We have some posters that have some severe bias that were able to say whatever they wanted.  All of this created an atmosphere, that looked like 70% of the posts were bad BUT the reality is that about 15 NEGATIVE posters were able to dominate the board the last 2 weeks.  I sense that is changing this morning with some of the moderation I see....I hope.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Hogmatic on September 11, 2019, 08:17:40 am
The truth is that there is a very small percentage of people who actually WANT Morris to lose. These aren’t true fans. They want to solely be able to say “I told you so” when their guy wasn’t hired.

The VAST majority of our fans are just tired of losing. Petrino spoiled us and we are STARVING to get back...regardless of facts. Facts that show the mess our program was in. Morris hasn’t brought us back as far as we think we COULD/SHOULD be...so they bellyache cuz they want SO BADLY to be a dominant team once again.

There is another very similar to this that remembers where we have been and CRAVES it also, but are simply more level headed and willing to give a current staff every opportunity until is CLEAR that he will NOT be able to get it done.

The PROBLEM is that both sides don’t handle it well. If you’re not negative and hate the belly-aching, then you’re labeled a “sunshine pumper”. If you aren’t happy and just want to complain, you’re labeled a Morris hater and want him to lose. Most of the time, neither are true.

I’d prefer if everyone was more level-headed and didn’t throw out the “Morris sucks!” after every bad played, but that’ll never happen. But we need to face it that most likely Morris isn’t going anywhere after this year and will be given a 3rd year. THEN he could see the door...but maybe we could just see what happens, eh?

A very good post.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 08:26:30 am
I have been a consistent critic of Morris for the past few weeks. I think the program is bigger than the HC and do not think Morris showed enough growth as a HC from year 1 to year 2. Running an SEC program is a huge job and it’s not about offensive genius or lack thereof. It also isn’t only about recruiting although critical. I am for whatever puts the program back on track to relevance in the shortest amount of time. Personally I think I’ve seen enough of Morris and staff to say they aren’t the answer. But my opinion means jack squat. Hunter Yurachek is actively making that determination and my sense is he will make it happen with or without Morris.

Tough to know.  Watching a little bit of the practice vid yesterday I did not see great effort.  It looked like a lot of guys were just going through the motions.  The game day performances could be clouding my view and it was just a few moments in time, but who knows?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Hogmatic on September 11, 2019, 08:27:15 am
It all depends on what you choose to see and sometimes that shows the poster's intent.  What do you choose to see?
- Morris took over an 0-12 team that won 2, then 5, then 7 games and went to a bowl in 3 years.  He turned around the program.
- Morris's losing record because you penalize him for the first 2 years of bad records to get to a Bowl game in Y3.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 08:37:15 am
It all depends on what you choose to see and sometimes that shows the poster's intent.  What do you choose to see?
- Morris took over an 0-12 team that won 2, then 5, then 7 games and went to a bowl in 3 years.  He turned around the program.
- Morris's losing record because you penalize him for the first 2 years of bad records to get to a Bowl game in Y3.

What if he only wins 6 games in year 3?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Pork Twain on September 11, 2019, 08:38:22 am
There has never been a majority of posters favoring firing of a coach in year 2.......never.........TCTWF and BB both had a lot of "dark side" posters....but not in year 2.  The original poster here wrongly, imo, equates  unhappiness with the current state of the program with the desire to see CCM fail......I think nothing could be farther from the truth.
Like I said, we saw the same thing we are seeing now, with the last two coaches...  Nobody wants him to fail (except jackasses), but people want to see marked improvement on the field and on the scoreboard and they will fall in line.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: CoastalHawg on September 11, 2019, 08:41:58 am
Tough to know.  Watching a little bit of the practice vid yesterday I did not see great effort.  It looked like a lot of guys were just going through the motions.  The game day performances could be clouding my view and it was just a few moments in time, but who knows?
I have watched many practice clips too and found little of it encouraging... compared to clips from other SEC west teams that I follow. (I’m recently semi-retired so I have been able to invest an embarrassing amount of time on this football season).  But I think I am biased and it is logical that clips are not an accurate view.  On the topic of practice though, I questioned the split practices to increase reps on the basis that I thought 1s and 2s should’ve been grouped instead of the 1s with 3s and 2s with 4s. Just felt like it wasn’t creating enough competition for 1s and 2s... and I got ripped on here for questioning. Against PSU our 1s competed to what I would think was a level of our 3s. Coincidence?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: The Hogfather on September 11, 2019, 08:44:23 am
Like I said, we saw the same thing we are seeing now, with the last two coaches...  Nobody wants him to fail (except jackasses), but people want to see marked improvement on the field and on the scoreboard and they will fall in line.

Hell, I started as the first person in line to jump behind him when he was hired.  I was very excited to see last year's recruiting class.  However, the play on the field has been terrible, if we're honest, and I think they took the incorrect "safe route" by naming Hicks QB to start this season.  I'm still behind coach Morris, but some changes are likely going to have to happen for him to remain here long enough to have some success.  I think he made one of them for this week by naming Starkel the starter (a guy who will provide continuity because he will be here next season, excitement, and improved play from the QB position).  I'm anxious and excited to see what our team can look like for the remainder of the season with him under center.  It might just be the thing Morris needed to start getting everybody back on-board.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 08:59:24 am
What if he only wins 6 games in year 3?

What if the New Madrid fault slips and the entire state of Arkansas is left in ruins?

You can play what if till you die.

It isn't too hard to see all your what ifs are negative.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 09:00:26 am
Hell, I started as the first person in line to jump behind him when he was hired.  I was very excited to see last year's recruiting class.  However, the play on the field has been terrible, if we're honest, and I think they took the incorrect "safe route" by naming Hicks QB to start this season.  I'm still behind coach Morris, but some changes are likely going to have to happen for him to remain here long enough to have some success.  I think he made one of them for this week by naming Starkel the starter (a guy who will provide continuity because he will be here next season, excitement, and improved play from the QB position).  I'm anxious and excited to see what our team can look like for the remainder of the season with him under center.  It might just be the thing Morris needed to start getting everybody back on-board.

LOL
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 09:02:08 am
I have watched many practice clips too and found little of it encouraging... compared to clips from other SEC west teams that I follow. (I’m recently semi-retired so I have been able to invest an embarrassing amount of time on this football season).  But I think I am biased and it is logical that clips are not an accurate view.  On the topic of practice though, I questioned the split practices to increase reps on the basis that I thought 1s and 2s should’ve been grouped instead of the 1s with 3s and 2s with 4s. Just felt like it wasn’t creating enough competition for 1s and 2s... and I got ripped on here for questioning. Against PSU our 1s competed to what I would think was a level of our 3s. Coincidence?

So you are semi retired?
Are you now a consultant for an SEC team?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: justmakeit2thebcs on September 11, 2019, 09:05:12 am
pick any thread and read it , mostly negative BS with little facts . with all the changes we have had to make , everyone should have known this was a team who would struggle to find an identity early on. I thought we could beat Ole Miss but am not surprised . The young guys have come on a bit slower and Our qb Starkel needs time to learn more of the playbook but that was expected by many of us . Yet every thread has tons of posts trashing Morris, Craddock , even the water boy. But refusing to grasp that we lack experience all over the field and each injury sets us back more
I'll give you some facts.

1. 1-11 against FBS schools with losses to a 3-9 Colo St and N Texas
2. 14-22 record at SMU (make all the excuses you want, I have heard them all)
3. Horrible record of developing players, compare recruiting rankings to All conference teams. (yeah, I know who Courtland Sutton an Trey Quinn are)
4. Turnarounds don't take years with consitent top 30 recruiting classes which the Hogs have had.  2019 Maryland & UNC are doing it with much less.
5. Arkansas' player experience is above average, expecially compared to Ole Miss.
6. Our offensive coaching experienceant the FBS is the lowest in all of football and they are trying to get it done in the SEC West. Not one of the offensive coaches has anything even close to an overll winning record as a college coach.  Only two have ever been part of a team that has won 8 gmaes in a single year.   Stepp in his first year at App St and  Lunney in 2015. 
& Morris had seen Starkel and Hicks all summer.  What everyone saw at Ole Miss was not an anomaly, it's been that way everyday in practice.  Yet, Morris put it in the right lane and put his hazard lights on.   

You hear BS and negativity, I hear nothing but excuses.   
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 09:08:37 am
What if the New Madrid fault slips and the entire state of Arkansas is left in ruins?

You can play what if till you die.

It isn't too hard to see all your what ifs are negative.

"It all depends on what you choose to see and sometimes that shows the poster's intent.  What do you choose to see?"

I guess you choose to see 6 wins as a negative.  Some might say that's improvement.  Especially considering the schedule gets much harder next season.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 09:09:40 am
This very same thing happened with Mike Anderson who got 8 years  btw.

The mob was relentless calling for his head.
I was not happy with the job he did but it was after 7 years

I went to all the games and not once wanted them to lose.
But Dudley Dawson commented on the radio how unbelievable it was
that fans were actually wanting the Razorbacks to lose.
That is a fact. How many I don't know, but if you want to get rid of a coach
you root against him. It is simple logic.

The same thing is happening here except we haven't even finished
season 2.

Every negative real or not is dragged out to criticize.
The fact is people here hated the hire to begin with are hypercritical
and want him to fail.

I tell you what for every negative thing you post try to find a positive.

I'll not be holding my breath.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hogsanity on September 11, 2019, 09:15:47 am
I'm starting to think 90% of our fan base is one serious meds that suspend all reality. Every year they think signing the 8th or lower recruiting class in the SEC is going to somehow make the team BETTER than 8th or worse on the field.

It's pretty easy to figure out, 8th or worse player, you finish 8th or worse most of the time.

If Nick Saban had come here instead of going to Bama, he would not have won a single SECW title in that time frame because he would not have been able to get nearly the same calibre of players, nor anywhere near the volume of them either.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 09:19:21 am
I'm starting to think 90% of our fan base is one serious meds that suspend all reality. Every year they think signing the 8th or lower recruiting class in the SEC is going to somehow make the team BETTER than 8th or worse on the field.

It's pretty easy to figure out, 8th or worse player, you finish 8th or worse most of the time.

If Nick Saban had come here instead of going to Bama, he would not have won a single SECW title in that time frame because he would not have been able to get nearly the same calibre of players, nor anywhere near the volume of them either.

You nailed it.  Everyone points to recruiting as a positive.  It's not going to make us competitive in our conference.  Also, to expect to recruit even at the current level not reaching a bowl game is foolish.  CM and Co sold a vision last cycle.  If this season goes as many project how to you sit in a blue chip recruit's living room and use the same pitch?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: NaturalStateReb on September 11, 2019, 09:20:01 am
The truth is that there is a very small percentage of people who actually WANT Morris to lose. These aren’t true fans. They want to solely be able to say “I told you so” when their guy wasn’t hired.

The VAST majority of our fans are just tired of losing. Petrino spoiled us and we are STARVING to get back...regardless of facts. Facts that show the mess our program was in. Morris hasn’t brought us back as far as we think we COULD/SHOULD be...so they bellyache cuz they want SO BADLY to be a dominant team once again.

There is another very similar to this that remembers where we have been and CRAVES it also, but are simply more level headed and willing to give a current staff every opportunity until is CLEAR that he will NOT be able to get it done.

The PROBLEM is that both sides don’t handle it well. If you’re not negative and hate the belly-aching, then you’re labeled a “sunshine pumper”. If you aren’t happy and just want to complain, you’re labeled a Morris hater and want him to lose. Most of the time, neither are true.

I’d prefer if everyone was more level-headed and didn’t throw out the “Morris sucks!” after every bad played, but that’ll never happen. But we need to face it that most likely Morris isn’t going anywhere after this year and will be given a 3rd year. THEN he could see the door...but maybe we could just see what happens, eh?

Just part of the tribalism that's taken over the country.  Everybody's got to be opposed to some imaginary "other."
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Grizzlyfan on September 11, 2019, 09:22:50 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back
this post is how many people today respond to realism.  My projection for the season was 5 wins. 4 noncon and an Ole Miss win.  It would have shown progress and I would have been satisfied with that.  The caveat was that the noncon wins should be blowouts.  To this point we have blown both of those criteria.  We didn't look that much better than 1AA Portland State.  And the Ole Miss loss proved that we haven't made all that much progress. 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 11, 2019, 09:27:53 am
Just part of the tribalism that's taken over the country.  Everybody's got to be opposed to some imaginary "other."


It’s becoming global too. Every country I’ve been to recently exhibits this same crap. Maybe I’m just getting old and want to shake my fist at young people.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: SemperHawg on September 11, 2019, 09:29:08 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back
There  are literally fans on here that would be in favor of bringing a guy back to coach here who hired his side piece, miss-appropriated university funds and lied to his boss about it before taking a flame thrower to the place, just because they want the team to win that badly.  I dunno what else you’re looking for? There may be a lot of misplaced passion on here but I can promise, we all want the team to win.  The frustration you are describing is based on a portion of the fan base that thinks Morris is in over his head. To  which he has yet to show us otherwise so far
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hogsanity on September 11, 2019, 09:50:10 am

  Everyone points to recruiting as a positive.  It's not going to make us competitive in our conference. 


I just do not get how people ignore this point. If other teams consistently get players that are better than your players, then they are going to consistently be better than you. Yes, upsets happen, teams have bad days, a bad bounce happens. However, counting on those things can not be your strategy to win. In no SEC game this year will the Hogs have, as a team, the better talented roster. Also, it's matchups. It does not matter if my wr's are better than yours. It matters if my wr's are better than your db's. It matters if your DL is better than my OL.

Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 11, 2019, 09:53:05 am
I just do not get how people ignore this point. If other teams consistently get players that are better than your players, then they are going to consistently be better than you. Yes, upsets happen, teams have bad days, a bad bounce happens. However, counting on those things can not be your strategy to win. In no SEC game this year will the Hogs have, as a team, the better talented roster. Also, it's matchups. It does not matter if my wr's are better than yours. It matters if my wr's are better than your db's. It matters if your DL is better than my OL.

Well to be fair that is how they did it at Clemson . In the beginning they were just better at finding the three star players that they could teach and develop into bad asses.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 09:58:49 am
I just do not get how people ignore this point. If other teams consistently get players that are better than your players, then they are going to consistently be better than you. Yes, upsets happen, teams have bad days, a bad bounce happens. However, counting on those things can not be your strategy to win. In no SEC game this year will the Hogs have, as a team, the better talented roster. Also, it's matchups. It does not matter if my wr's are better than yours. It matters if my wr's are better than your db's. It matters if your DL is better than my OL.

You are in the wrong place.
Do not ever try to use logic here.
Facts will not penetrate the dense layer of hardened irrational opinions
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Pork Twain on September 11, 2019, 09:59:51 am
I just do not get how people ignore this point. If other teams consistently get players that are better than your players, then they are going to consistently be better than you. Yes, upsets happen, teams have bad days, a bad bounce happens. However, counting on those things can not be your strategy to win. In no SEC game this year will the Hogs have, as a team, the better talented roster. Also, it's matchups. It does not matter if my wr's are better than yours. It matters if my wr's are better than your db's. It matters if your DL is better than my OL.

People that ignore this, me included, realize that outside of the top 3-4 teams in all of the SEC, not a lot really separates 5-10 in actual rankings.

Now while I have never been a recruit evaluator, I was in the Air Force for 21 years (I know you are tired of hearing about it but I think the process applies here) and throughout that time we had a much more codified performance evaluation system and I saw firsthand how flawed a system like that could be, while based on much more than the eye test.  My last job was a super and part of my job was to review past performance reports to see whether or not we would accept applicant A vs applicant B.  I would see dirtbags rated high and solid citizens rated low.  Now if you take that and apply it to recruiting, you have to wonder about the level of accuracy when it comes to comparing a low 5 to a high 4 and a low 4 to a high 3 and they have similar ht/wt/40 and tapes.  I am in no way saying these guys do not know what they are talking about, obviously they do.  I am merely questioning the actual quantifiable difference in those instances.  Lucky for us, we actually have a couple of guys on here that have been a part of that application.

I do have a hard time with some of these recruits, because the difference between a high 4 and a low 5 or a high 3 and a low 4 can be down to the 10th of a decimal and these ratings are based off of an eye test performed by an "expert", no offense Otis.  Is that really that much difference?  Then you take those and spread them over an entire class and the difference can look much greater than it actually is.  That difference is not as significant when comparing the top class to the bottom class, because the difference is clear, but as you get towards the middle, say 4-12 (or 4-10 before the additions of aTm and Mizzou), the teams are separated by very little.  Especially when you divide that difference over a class of ~25 kids.

Everyone makes a big deal about finishing 10th in the SEC, but there is not that much difference between 10th and 4th.

Average Difference between the 4th and 12th (4th and 10th before aTm and Mizzou) place SEC class (divide the numbers below by the average numbers of players signed by those teams and the difference shrinks)
2018    4.56/25 players = .1824 difference per player
2017    5.01/25 players = .2004 difference per player  (you get the jist of it)
2016    3.34
2015    3.35
2014    5.19
2013    4.88
2012    5.52
2011    4.98
2010    5.73
2009    5.27
2008    6.29
2007    8.14   
2006    8.62
2005    9.47

All this is significant when the recruiting services are only using whole numbers on their scale.

From 24/7
110 - 101 = Franchise Player. One of the best players to come along in years, if not decades. Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has "can’t miss" talent.

100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation. This player has excellent pro-potential and should emerge as one of the best in the country before the end of his career. There will be 32 prospects ranked in this range in every football class to mirror the first round of the NFL Draft.

97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation. This prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. He is an All-American candidate who is projected to play professionally.

89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential.

79 - below = Two-star prospect. This player makes up the bulk of Division I rosters. He may have little pro-potential, but is likely to become a role player for his respective school.

Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hogsanity on September 11, 2019, 10:00:21 am
Well to be fair that is how they did it at Clemson . In the beginning they were just better at finding the three star players that they could teach and develop into bad asses.

1. The ACC isnt, top to bottom, the SEC. 2. Clemson has much better in state talent, and is much closer to places like ATL.

I still can not fathom how people, not saying you, think Arkansas is ever going to recruit well enough to CONSISTENTLY win here. In state talent is still vital to even the top level programs. Where would Bama be without in state kids? LSu? Even Om and Miss St?

And before anyone brings up OU, OU is 190 miles from DFW, Fay is 336, AND OU is in, and OU has been a huge presence in North Texas for decades, but even OU would be less than they are without getting kids from OKC and Tulsa areas.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: CoastalHawg on September 11, 2019, 10:01:16 am
So you are semi retired?
Are you now a consultant for an SEC team?
Not at the moment but I’m open to working with Morris and Craddock if they are ready to accept some constructive criticism. Is that you Hunter?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 10:02:20 am
Well to be fair that is how they did it at Clemson . In the beginning they were just better at finding the three star players that they could teach and develop into bad asses.

They had and still have a significant more forgiving schedule.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Dropkick on September 11, 2019, 10:02:42 am
I don't think "mythical" 70% has anything to worry about anytime soon.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 11, 2019, 10:03:32 am
1. The ACC isnt, top to bottom, the SEC. 2. Clemson has much better in state talent, and is much closer to places like ATL.

I still can not fathom how people, not saying you, think Arkansas is ever going to recruit well enough to CONSISTENTLY win here. In state talent is still vital to even the top level programs. Where would Bama be without in state kids? LSu? Even Om and Miss St?

And before anyone brings up OU, OU is 190 miles from DFW, Fay is 336, AND OU is in, and OU has been a huge presence in North Texas for decades, but even OU would be less than they are without getting kids from OKC and Tulsa areas.

Well what I alluded to in my post is that the only way we can win consistently in Arkansas is by doing it the way Clemson started. Finding the diamond in the rough three stars and developing the hell out of them. It’s how Kentucky has turned their program around. So in that sense I’m glad we have Chad because he has been a part of doing it like that before.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 11, 2019, 10:04:25 am
People that ignore this, me included, realize that outside of the top 3-4 teams in all of the SEC, not a lot really separates 5-10 in actual rankings.

We aren't 5-10. We are 20-30.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hogsanity on September 11, 2019, 10:07:14 am
People that ignore this, me included, realize that outside of the top 3-4 teams in all of the SEC, not a lot really separates 5-10 in actual rankings.


I do not need to look at rankings, I can look at the players. old misses, while not a good team, was bigger, faster, stronger. Hog wr's could not get off the line against their db's. Hog Ol could not handle their dl. Hog db's could not stop om wr's from getting inside.

This idea that " you just coach em up " has been fabricated to soothe the burn from the fact that the better players do not want to come play here. So fans say things like " fine, we only want players that want to be Hogs anyway!". The " coach me up " mantra really means " we know your players are better ".

Its like the game I am working Friday night. I know, unless several weird things happen, it will be a mercy rule. I have seen both teams play, and one team just has better players and more of them.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 10:07:27 am
Pointing out the obvious mistakes and failures of the coaching staff is not the same as wanting said coaching staff to fail.

I prefer to think of it as fans holding this coaching staff accountable to ensure they do their job. When the coaching staff fails to do their job, fans respond by not showing up for games.
Normally I enjoy your perspective but this one is hilarious.
You are going to say that a bunch of people on a message board are qualified to know
whether the coaches are doing their job.

BWAHAHAHA.
This is HV you are kidding right?

The only barometer available is w/l
Morris said it would take time. Nobody listened. (well I did)
There are other barometers which people do not want to acknowledge

I am not going to reiterate  all that he had to deal with nor
am I going to reiterate all the positive things he has done.

I will simply get back on track here and say there are people who don't
know what they are talking about that want Morris to fail.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 10:10:51 am
Not at the moment but I’m open to working with Morris and Craddock if they are ready to accept some constructive criticism. Is that you Hunter?
What I have found in my line of work that when its busy
and there is demand good people are working
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Dropkick on September 11, 2019, 10:18:03 am
I was against the hire. I like the guy but I still don't think he is "the guy". But other than I told you so I would like to be able to say, man I was wrong about Morris he is the real deal!

In my opinion it would be ludicrous to fire him in less than 3 years. He has to have more than these last 14 games under his belt here before we know what we have.

Not sure what percentile this puts me in.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hogsanity on September 11, 2019, 10:27:14 am

. I like the guy but I still don't think he is "the guy".



Just who is " the guy "? " The guy " that is going to convince top notch SEC calibre players to come here, in sufficient numbers, to CONSISTENTLY win 8+ games a year? " the guy ' who is going to finally have the guts to say " Man, Ar HS football sucks, there are not more than 3 or 4 players a year that come out of this state that belong in the SEC. " The guy " that is going to go out year after year and get 18-20 player from out of state that are at least as good as what teams like om, A&M, SC, and Aub are getting? Because that is what it is going to take just to win 7 or 8 games ever year.

Personally, in the current college football world, I do not think that guy exists.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: a shady hog on September 11, 2019, 10:29:10 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

Just remember that the majority of Razorback fans don't post on Hogville or call into radio shows.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Muleriderhog on September 11, 2019, 10:35:37 am
Now here it is.
This is the cognitive dissonance that disguises the fact that
there are people who want the Razorbacks to lose.

The first thing you say is you want him fired.
Well duh if the Razorbacks win then we are then talking about
fired for crashing a motorcycle with a young woman not his wife and then
lying and trying to cover it up.

Ya know for cause.
I don't think that is going to happen so to get your
highly desired result the Razorbacks would have to lose.

I know logic is hard but maybe if you tried using rational thought instead
of emotional reactions things might look differently.

I  have no expectations of such an outcome but I do thank you
for actually making the OP"s point.

Btw here is the definition of cognitive dissonance.

cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance
nounPSYCHOLOGY
the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.
Completely misinterpreting what I said and putting words in my mouth.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hogsanity on September 11, 2019, 10:43:10 am
Just remember that the majority of Razorback fans don't post on Hogville or call into radio shows.

True, a majority of Razorback fans go/watch the games then get on with their lives, the outcome does not impact how they live. They do not derive their self worth from the actions of 18-22 year olds on 12 Saturdays every fall.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Redhogs on September 11, 2019, 10:44:59 am
I'll give you some facts.

1. 1-11 against FBS schools with losses to a 3-9 Colo St and N Texas
2. 14-22 record at SMU (make all the excuses you want, I have heard them all)
3. Horrible record of developing players, compare recruiting rankings to All conference teams. (yeah, I know who Courtland Sutton an Trey Quinn are)
4. Turnarounds don't take years with consitent top 30 recruiting classes which the Hogs have had.  2019 Maryland & UNC are doing it with much less.
5. Arkansas' player experience is above average, expecially compared to Ole Miss.
6. Our offensive coaching experienceant the FBS is the lowest in all of football and they are trying to get it done in the SEC West. Not one of the offensive coaches has anything even close to an overll winning record as a college coach.  Only two have ever been part of a team that has won 8 gmaes in a single year.   Stepp in his first year at App St and  Lunney in 2015. 
& Morris had seen Starkel and Hicks all summer.  What everyone saw at Ole Miss was not an anomaly, it's been that way everyday in practice.  Yet, Morris put it in the right lane and put his hazard lights on.   

You hear BS and negativity, I hear nothing but excuses.   
Good factual post..BTW...I was 100% supportive of Morris until the OM game, very disappointing on so many levels.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Pennywise on September 11, 2019, 10:54:37 am
Our fan base will always have inner anger issues that stem from struggling with what we WANT to be vs what we ACTUALLY are. It won’t matter if we win or lose, there will be belly aching about games whether we lose by 1 or win by 101.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 11, 2019, 10:56:37 am
Our fan base will always have inner anger issues that stem from struggling with what we WANT to be vs what we ACTUALLY are. It won’t matter if we win or lose, there will be belly aching about games whether we lose by 1 or win by 101.

Lol, do you really believe this? Just asking
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: CoastalHawg on September 11, 2019, 10:58:40 am
What I have found in my line of work that when its busy
and there is demand good people are working
Same, and if you work your tail off and are smart with your money you can move to the coast, scale back and fish more.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Pennywise on September 11, 2019, 11:00:39 am
Lol, do you really believe this? Just asking

Yes. We won game 1. While it wasn’t sexy or a blowout. We won. Immediately following here come the angry already calling coach Morris’s head.

Been on here long enough that when we win games, the belly aching occurs because we did not pass enough, run enough, should have put the 4th string stud quarterback in to see what he can do and so on.

The fan base poisons it’s own through its own toxins.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: CoastalHawg on September 11, 2019, 11:02:13 am
I'll give you some facts.

1. 1-11 against FBS schools with losses to a 3-9 Colo St and N Texas
2. 14-22 record at SMU (make all the excuses you want, I have heard them all)
3. Horrible record of developing players, compare recruiting rankings to All conference teams. (yeah, I know who Courtland Sutton an Trey Quinn are)
4. Turnarounds don't take years with consitent top 30 recruiting classes which the Hogs have had.  2019 Maryland & UNC are doing it with much less.
5. Arkansas' player experience is above average, expecially compared to Ole Miss.
6. Our offensive coaching experienceant the FBS is the lowest in all of football and they are trying to get it done in the SEC West. Not one of the offensive coaches has anything even close to an overll winning record as a college coach.  Only two have ever been part of a team that has won 8 gmaes in a single year.   Stepp in his first year at App St and  Lunney in 2015. 
& Morris had seen Starkel and Hicks all summer.  What everyone saw at Ole Miss was not an anomaly, it's been that way everyday in practice.  Yet, Morris put it in the right lane and put his hazard lights on.   

You hear BS and negativity, I hear nothing but excuses.   

Good post.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Oda Hamunaga on September 11, 2019, 11:08:35 am
Yes. We won game 1. While it wasn’t sexy or a blowout. We won. Immediately following here come the angry already calling coach Morris’s head.

Been on here long enough that when we win games, the belly aching occurs because we did not pass enough, run enough, should have put the 4th string stud quarterback in to see what he can do and so on.

The fan base poisons it’s own through its own toxins.


Right, so the “fan base will belly ache if we win by 101”

Ok. I think this probably ends my replys
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2019, 11:10:18 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

Nope...

I'd absolutely dig it.

I don't care who the head coach is as long as the players are performing up to their peak potential.

It's when they aren't and there are few indications of them getting there that I'm fairly venomous to the coaching staff.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: je100 on September 11, 2019, 11:13:26 am
I just do not get how people ignore this point. If other teams consistently get players that are better than your players, then they are going to consistently be better than you. Yes, upsets happen, teams have bad days, a bad bounce happens. However, counting on those things can not be your strategy to win. In no SEC game this year will the Hogs have, as a team, the better talented roster. Also, it's matchups. It does not matter if my wr's are better than yours. It matters if my wr's are better than your db's. It matters if your DL is better than my OL.



But surely we can deserve this once-in-a-generation coach, who coincidentally longs to be in this recruiting purgatory, who can out-coach 3/4ths of the SEC coaches on a yearly basis for decades to come, to make up for this lack of talent? 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: d3maybe on September 11, 2019, 12:30:18 pm
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

Nah, you'd be surprised how fast folks around here jump bandwagons...
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 12:57:40 pm
Same, and if you work your tail off and are smart with your money you can move to the coast, scale back and fish more.
And wait for an SEC program to hire you off of Hogville.
I think you have a better chance of getting hit by a hurricane
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: avatar on September 11, 2019, 01:01:57 pm
Nope...

I'd absolutely dig it.

I don't care who the head coach is as long as the players are performing up to their peak potential.

It's when they aren't and there are few indications of them getting there that I'm fairly venomous to the coaching staff.
Fascinating.
I get the venom part. the part I am having a little trouble getting
is just how do you know that these players are NOT playing at THEIR peak?
I am sure that freshman DE with the broken hand wasn't at his peak.
I guess we should spit some venom at the coaches for that

Are you at practice?
Who do you see quitting?
Just asking for a friend I'll hang up.
Probably won't be back for the response, I am not feeling up to my peak today
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Pork Twain on September 11, 2019, 01:54:45 pm
We aren't 5-10. We are 20-30.
We are not 20-30 in the SEC...read, then reply...  My post specifically looks at our SEC standing
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: code red on September 12, 2019, 09:52:40 am
Can you quote a post where someone has rooted against him or the Razorbacks and post it in this thread?
Agreed in addition.  What the heck have we seen that would indicate to anyone.  That this team will start "winning"?
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: code red on September 12, 2019, 09:56:45 am
I'll give you some facts.

1. 1-11 against FBS schools with losses to a 3-9 Colo St and N Texas
2. 14-22 record at SMU (make all the excuses you want, I have heard them all)
3. Horrible record of developing players, compare recruiting rankings to All conference teams. (yeah, I know who Courtland Sutton an Trey Quinn are)
4. Turnarounds don't take years with consitent top 30 recruiting classes which the Hogs have had.  2019 Maryland & UNC are doing it with much less.
5. Arkansas' player experience is above average, expecially compared to Ole Miss.
6. Our offensive coaching experienceant the FBS is the lowest in all of football and they are trying to get it done in the SEC West. Not one of the offensive coaches has anything even close to an overll winning record as a college coach.  Only two have ever been part of a team that has won 8 gmaes in a single year.   Stepp in his first year at App St and  Lunney in 2015. 
& Morris had seen Starkel and Hicks all summer.  What everyone saw at Ole Miss was not an anomaly, it's been that way everyday in practice.  Yet, Morris put it in the right lane and put his hazard lights on.   

You hear BS and negativity, I hear nothing but excuses.   

This is awesome....keep it coming. 
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Hawginj on September 12, 2019, 10:07:43 am
Fascinating.
I get the venom part. the part I am having a little trouble getting
is just how do you know that these players are NOT playing at THEIR peak?
I am sure that freshman DE with the broken hand wasn't at his peak.
I guess we should spit some venom at the coaches for that

Are you at practice?
Who do you see quitting?
Just asking for a friend I'll hang up.
Probably won't be back for the response, I am not feeling up to my peak today
facts tells us Arkansas is a P5 SEC school. Common sense tells us that by those facts alone the caliber of athletes that are recruited into the program are better than the teams we are loosing to or barely beating. By the product we see on the field one can confidently see that this team is not playing at peak efficiency.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Al Boarland on September 12, 2019, 10:08:06 am
Agreed in addition.  What the heck have we seen that would indicate to anyone.  That this team will start "winning"?

Starkel completed a few passes at the end of a game.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 12, 2019, 10:20:51 am
facts tells us Arkansas is a P5 SEC school. Common sense tells us that by those facts alone the caliber of athletes that are recruited into the program are better than the teams we are loosing to or barely beating. By the product we see on the field one can confidently see that this team is not playing at peak efficiency.

1st Half against Ole Miss= Not even close to peak efficiency

2nd Half against Ole Miss= Closer

However, if they increased that much over a 20 minute halftime period it's not a stretch to say that they could get much better than what we saw.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Hawginj on September 12, 2019, 10:23:23 am
1st Half against Ole Miss= Not even close to peak efficiency

2nd Half against Ole Miss= Closer

However, if they increased that much over a 20 minute halftime period it's not a stretch to say that they could get much better than what we saw.
I don't disagree looked much better in the second half. Play calling was still pedestrian at best but execution was worlds better. Sad it didn't equate into points but hopefully this week it will
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 12, 2019, 10:27:15 am
I don't disagree looked much better in the second half. Play calling was still pedestrian at best but execution was worlds better. Sad it didn't equate into points but hopefully this week it will

There's a few things they need to shore up if the increased efficiency is going to relate to points on the board.

Was the same way with Bielema and his woes at aTm.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: SkylerKat on September 12, 2019, 10:32:38 am
Had to think through my feelings on this.

Here's the thing. If he's going to fail, I'd rather he fail sooner than later so we can get rid of him and move on to a better coach.

I won't go into why I never liked him. That's a topic more fit for last year.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: hawg1221 on September 12, 2019, 10:48:19 am
The Pig Trail had Ty Clary's mom on for a segment. One thing she said was that she visited a Razorback blog one time and no more afterwards. She said she couldn't handle it. People are pretty rough on these blogs. It's not for the light hearted.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: rhames on September 12, 2019, 10:50:52 am
Good factual post..BTW...I was 100% supportive of Morris until the OM game, very disappointing on so many levels.


I wasn't happy with the Ole Miss performance, however why was it that game for you? A game we were, outside of this message board, supposed to lose?

I think you have to at least let him get to the Kentucky game, see how they play, before you make up your mind.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: wildturkey8 on September 12, 2019, 10:55:22 am
I believe the OP is right, some would be mad because they don't like the coach and many others would be mad because winning would invalidate their argument that Arkansas can't compete.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: The OTR on September 12, 2019, 11:08:34 am
Just reading through posts and at least 2/3 want the Hog's and Morris to fail . He isn't their guy or something , but to cheer against him Doesn't look good for our fan base. 2/3's of the posts on here are totally negative . We knew coming in that CBB left a crap pile but now these same fans are whining . Jones will fill the spot at center next year allowing Clary to move to guard and Cunningham to Tackle . Gatlin's return also helps at the other tackle and Stromberg looks like the steal i thought he was going to be . A fair trade with Oklahoma when they got wilkins . We all hoped to be farther ahead than we are but losing those O-line guys to all sorts of injuries was a set back

I suggested that some (not 70%) of our fans wanted Mike Anderson to lose last year so that he would be fired and I was told I was crazy. 

You're probably right. Don't know if the number is that high or not.
Title: Re: I'm starting to think about 70% of our fan base will be Mad if we start winning
Post by: jhogg on September 12, 2019, 12:32:34 pm
You're not getting a lot of support for your opinion so far and I disagree with the percentage, but I do think you are right that there are some who want him to fail and fail soon so that they can hope to get their guy in here.  What they don't understand is that they may not get their guy, there will be another culture change, the same players will be here at O-Line and the other positions.  Plus, the new coach will have to recruit themselves out of this situation.  From what I've seen, I have little doubt that some who come to this board want the coach to fail.
I want this coach and coaching staff to succeed