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Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« on: January 07, 2019, 10:01:47 pm »

Lol

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 10:12:25 pm »

I remember when we turned Down venabkes.... twice
« Last Edit: January 07, 2019, 11:05:43 pm by onebadrubi »
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 10:12:53 pm »

We got the guy that saved Dabo's job though!

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 10:15:14 pm »

Yeah, this is Chadís offense.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 10:24:20 pm »

Clemson's success is an amazing recruiting tool for Chad Morris.  They aren't recruiting the same players for the most part and every recruit is going to be excited about what Clemson is doing.  Dabo has openly praised Morris and Morris can legitimately recruit that he is building the same thing using the same formula.  Considering what Dabo built from where Clemson was as a program, it isn't too much of a reach to say it can't be done in the minds of the recruits. 

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 10:54:51 pm »

Actually no I donít remember anyone saying that.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 11:00:51 pm »

Someone at Clemson had a good eye for talent and saw.what Dabo could do.  If Jeff Long had been the AD at.the time, they would not have promoted Dabo.  He was a risk at the time - it is judgment and knowing CFB

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 11:07:40 pm »

We got the guy that saved Dabo's job though!

And fans went frickin berzerk, too.

Let's be honest... Morris wouldn't be here if we hadn't struggled so much in recent years.  Arkansas wouldn't haven't hired Dabo when Clemson did, either.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2019, 11:11:58 pm »

Someone at Clemson had a good eye for talent and saw.what Dabo could do.  If Jeff Long had been the AD at.the time, they would not have promoted Dabo.  He was a risk at the time - it is judgment and knowing CFB

That would be our former Sr.  Associate AD under Broyles, who got tired of waiting for Broyles to retire.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2019, 11:19:11 pm »

Yeah.   I believe he went to law school at Arkansas too.  Wish he'd of stuck around but oh well.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2019, 02:51:51 am »

We got the guy that saved Dabo's job though!
Thatís some Arkansas stuff right there 😂

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2019, 04:07:10 am »

Clemson's success is an amazing recruiting tool for Chad Morris.  They aren't recruiting the same players for the most part and every recruit is going to be excited about what Clemson is doing.  Dabo has openly praised Morris and Morris can legitimately recruit that he is building the same thing using the same formula.  Considering what Dabo built from where Clemson was as a program, it isn't too much of a reach to say it can't be done in the minds of the recruits.

Agreed. It's like we just won half a championship.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2019, 08:34:26 am »

Lol

No.  I remember when Dabo went 6-7 and hired Morris.  I remember at the end of that first season with Morris when Clemson lost 70-33 to WV and Dabo fired Steele and hired Venables.  LOL at Bob Stoops for bringing his brother back and letting Venables get away to Clemson. 

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2019, 08:43:14 am »

Yep Terry Don rolled the dice and got back nothing but 7 and 11's.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 08:43:50 am »

We royally screwed up by not Keeping Terry Don.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 10:10:46 am »

Actually no I donít remember anyone saying that.

There were quite a few saying it. Usually something along the lines of "he's a choker." This was about the time that Clemson was good, but couldn't quite get over that hump.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 10:30:02 am »

Well, also remember when most Clemson fans wanted him fired too.  It was dicey for the first 3 years.  He sounded like a goofier Houston Nutt with worse results. 
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 10:30:51 am »

Thatís some Arkansas stuff right there 😂

Well, he was going to be fired if he had another lackluster year or 2, he cleaned house with his coaches and hired Morris as OC.
The next season (and all subsequent seasons) have been 10+ win seasons for them.

Saying he "saved" Dabo's job is a little bit of hyperbole, but there is a grain of truth to it.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2019, 04:15:04 pm »

Well, also remember when most Clemson fans wanted him fired too.  It was dicey for the first 3 years.  He sounded like a goofier Houston Nutt with worse results.
Which goes to show you no one has an ounce of PATIENCE.
Those Clemson knee-jerk reaction people look stupid now.

By the way, Broyles's age had nothing to do with it. He wasn't even running the AD the last 10 years. John White was. If Broyles had been calling the shots by himself as the previous 30 years, we would have been better off.

Chad Morris's blueprint for success is Dabo. Neither are considered football savants like a Saban or Belichick. Dabo has simply built a 'family' culture at Clemson based on solid values and recruits want to play for him. Likewise, if Chad has any success at all, it will be built in a similar way. His first recruiting year was fantastic, for a 2-10 team. That's encouraging, because obviously guys are buying into him and his values. They're sure not looking at results right now.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2019, 04:33:36 pm »

The Dabo has become very popular ...potent for sure
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2019, 05:28:37 pm »

Clemson's success is an amazing recruiting tool for Chad Morris.  They aren't recruiting the same players for the most part and every recruit is going to be excited about what Clemson is doing.  Dabo has openly praised Morris and Morris can legitimately recruit that he is building the same thing using the same formula.  Considering what Dabo built from where Clemson was as a program, it isn't too much of a reach to say it can't be done in the minds of the recruits.

We actually got quite a few kids with a clemson offer this year. More so than ever before.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2019, 05:31:40 pm »

Lol

Heís not ďan offensive geniusĒ tho
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2019, 06:11:22 pm »

Clemson's success is an amazing recruiting tool for Chad Morris.  They aren't recruiting the same players for the most part and every recruit is going to be excited about what Clemson is doing.  Dabo has openly praised Morris and Morris can legitimately recruit that he is building the same thing using the same formula.  Considering what Dabo built from where Clemson was as a program, it isn't too much of a reach to say it can't be done in the minds of the recruits. 


Clemson has way more talent surrounding them than Arkansas.


High school seniors were like in the 8th grade when Morris was OC at Clemson.


I think Morris will be successful here. I highly doubt he turns us into the next Clemson.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2019, 11:00:50 pm »

Wasn't Spurrier winning 10 games a year at SC when Dabo took over and started the Clemson rebuild?
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2019, 11:09:08 pm »

Wasn't Spurrier winning 10 games a year at SC when Dabo took over and started the Clemson rebuild?
No, Spurrier wasn't much more successful at SC than Lou Holtz was.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2019, 08:56:07 am »

No, Spurrier wasn't much more successful at SC than Lou Holtz was.

Spurrier was a much better coach at USC e than Holtz was.

To answer the earlier question he had 11 win seasons in 2011, 12, and 13.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2019, 10:14:16 am »

No, Spurrier wasn't much more successful at SC than Lou Holtz was.

Correct! They had pretty comparable tenures...

Holtz: 33-37 (.471)
Spurrier: 86-49 (.637)

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2019, 10:32:52 am »

Holtz did a good job at South Carolina.  He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season and left Spurrier a chance to be competitive. 

Clemson has dominated the series with USCe.  They were the football power in the state of SC before the two NC's.  Spurrier has been the only coach to challenge them.  USCe has not been a hindrance to Clemson.  Clemson choking and underachieving was their hindrance till Dabo brought in Morris and then Venables and got them to where they should be.

Clemson leads the series 70-42-4

In the 80s, Clemson won the series 7-2-1.
In the 90s, Clemson 7-3.
2000s Clemson 7-3.
Clemson has won the last 5 after SC won 5 straight from 2009 - 2013. 
39 seasons: Clemson is 26-12-1 vs SC. 

SC has never even played in what is considered the major bowl games.  Never an Orange, Cotton or Sugar.  No Fiesta since it bought its way in during the 80s.  None of what is now the New Year's 6. 
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2019, 10:42:37 am »

Correct! They had pretty comparable tenures...

Holtz: 33-37 (.471)
Spurrier: 86-49 (.637)



Funny how actual numbers never lie..........

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2019, 10:45:18 am »

Funny how actual numbers never lie..........

63% and 47% are comparable?
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2019, 11:12:59 am »

If Burks didnt choose Arkansas it was gonna be Clemson or LSU. We need to keep getting these type of kids.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2019, 11:15:16 am »

Yep Terry Don rolled the dice and got back nothing but 7 and 11's.

Uncanny how big of a gamble that was and how it has played out. It came very close to getting both ran out of town.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2019, 11:16:01 am »

63% and 47% are comparable?

No they arenít. Thus I think Busta was being sarcastic and proving a point.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2019, 11:37:19 am »

No they arenít. Thus I think Busta was being sarcastic and proving a point.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2019, 11:45:49 am »

We got the guy that saved Dabo's job though!

Yes, and I like that guy, and I sure hope he can save his own job.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2019, 12:28:54 pm »

Actually no I donít remember anyone saying that.

 Really..? I remember the buffoonery abounding, on this very board, regarding what a stupid hire he was at Clemson.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2019, 02:59:18 pm »

Really..? I remember the buffoonery abounding, on this very board, regarding what a stupid hire he was at Clemson.

But that doesnít mean they wanted him later or though we could get him. I donít think the OP was about when Clemson hired him. Even so IF it was about when we hired a coach it would obviously have to have been when Bret was hired. At that time Dabo had not done as well at Clemson and I can understand if someone didnít think he would be a good hire. I simply donít remember his name even coming up. But Iím not as young as you and could have forgotten.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2019, 11:29:56 pm »

I remember when we turned Down venabkes.... twice

Not for sure why we did not hire him in 2007 or 2012 (we interviewed him in 2012).

Venables has now out-coached Saban twice in the last 3 seasons, and Venables now has 3 National Championship rings.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2019, 01:39:13 am »

Thatís some Arkansas stuff right there 😂

 You're not very observant are you? Dabo himself said as much in an interview on Finebaum when Morris was hired by Arkansas. Keep laughing...

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2019, 01:42:36 am »

But that doesnít mean they wanted him later or though we could get him. I donít think the OP was about when Clemson hired him. Even so IF it was about when we hired a coach it would obviously have to have been when Bret was hired. At that time Dabo had not done as well at Clemson and I can understand if someone didnít think he would be a good hire. I simply donít remember his name even coming up. But Iím not as young as you and could have forgotten.

 Yeah, I don't remember him being mentioned for our job either, but I do remember people laughing at Terry Don Phillips and lauding "The Carpetbagger" When Clemson hired Dabo... I also remember people waiting for him to fail when they started getting that thing turned around too.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2019, 07:53:26 am »

Yeah, I don't remember him being mentioned for our job either, but I do remember people laughing at Terry Don Phillips and lauding "The Carpetbagger" When Clemson hired Dabo... I also remember people waiting for him to fail when they started getting that thing turned around too.

All true.  I recall watching an early Dabo-coached team and wondering, "Now why did Clemson hire him?"

Historically, look at Arkansas's best football coaches (in our lifetimes):
Frank Broyles: hired following a single five win season at Missouri.
Lou Holtz: coming off a three win season with the New York Jets.
Ken Hatfield: an over all losing record (26-32-1) after five seasons at the Air Force Academy.
Bobby Petrino: hired after a disastrous one season with the Atlanta Falcons.
Houston Nutt: Hired following a losing season at Boise State. (Difficult for me to include Nutt because I have little
                      respect for him as a coach or person.  However, he did have a winning record at Arkansas).

Compared to hires that had national prominence:
Danny Ford
Bret Bielema

Makes me willing to have a bit of patience with Morris.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2019, 08:15:23 am »

Uncanny how big of a gamble that was and how it has played out. It came very close to getting both ran out of town.

And Dabo hiring Morris was juat as big a gamble.

When Dabo told Terry Don his intention to hire Morris Terry Don said "You sure you want to hire a guy with only one year on the college level?" Dabo said yes and Terry Don responded "Well you better be right about this or we are both gonna be fired."
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2019, 08:21:40 am »

And Dabo hiring Morris was juat as big a gamble.

When Dabo told Terry Don his intention to hire Morris Terry Don said "You sure you want to hire a guy with only one year on the college level?" Dabo said yes and Terry Don responded "Well you better be right about this or we are both gonna be fired."

Interesting insight.  I had not seen that comment before.  Insider information?
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2019, 11:50:55 am »

Yeah, I don't remember him being mentioned for our job either, but I do remember people laughing at Terry Don Phillips and lauding "The Carpetbagger" When Clemson hired Dabo... I also remember people waiting for him to fail when they started getting that thing turned around too.

Terry Don gambled his whole job on Dabo. If he hadnít turned it around both would have been gone just like Jeff and Bret here. Of course he caught some flack for the hire since Dabo wasnít even a Coordinator. He was a position coach. Actually both were lucky they were given the year Dabo turned it around.
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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2019, 11:52:44 am »

And Dabo hiring Morris was juat as big a gamble.

When Dabo told Terry Don his intention to hire Morris Terry Don said "You sure you want to hire a guy with only one year on the college level?" Dabo said yes and Terry Don responded "Well you better be right about this or we are both gonna be fired."

Dabo has made some interesting hires other than Chad as well. The only really big known name heís hired is Brent.

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Re: Remember when a lot of people didnt want Dabo
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2019, 11:56:47 am »

The Dabo Coaching Tree will look good is CCM can turn our program into a contender and the Ven goes on to be a solid head coach (which he will) ...I'm almost sure there are more guys that will get plucked from his staff. If he can keep things going there and assistants keep getting better jobs the Dabo tree will get big quick.

I like his offensive style for sure....we need the Jimmy's and Joe's to go with the offense we are trying to run and it will be very fun to watch
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