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Dog Gone
« on: November 08, 2018, 09:27:34 am »

Saw where the voters in Florida voted to end greyhound racing closing 11 tracks by 2020.  That's a lot of dogs that'll need to find a new home.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2018, 10:59:02 am »

They will be coming after horse racing next.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2018, 01:37:36 pm »

Saw where the voters in Florida voted to end greyhound racing closing 11 tracks by 2020.  That's a lot of dogs that'll need to find a new home.

Not only that but I used to go to Daytona before it became so easy to bet online.  There is a lot of money run through the poker room and the simulcast of horse racing there.  Now that was 10+ years ago but with all the retired northeasters living there it is an older crowd that likes to bet on site.

So Southland will be one of 6 left when the 11 in Florida close..





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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2018, 06:16:02 pm »

They will be coming after horse racing next.

Nah.  We had a lot of dog abuse down here, and the tracks are dying.  Dog racing doesnít have a breeding industry center like Ocala, which will prevent anyone down here from going after horse racing.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2018, 07:00:58 pm »

Nah.  We had a lot of dog abuse down here, and the tracks are dying.  Dog racing doesnít have a breeding industry center like Ocala, which will prevent anyone down here from going after horse racing.

Down here, so I take it that you live in FLorida?

If so, did you vote?  Vote on the amendment for sports betting?  Did you even understand it?  The former Miami Marlins president or whatever he was voted for it by accident, he didn't realize until afterwards that the way it was worded he was voting for it instead of against it. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2018, 03:14:59 am »

1st time I went to see the dogs was 1971 at Caliente,  Horse racing in the day and dogs at night.  I have been to many tracks but it was not hard to see the decline over the last 20 years.  Used to be popular because of the .50 cent and $1 bets available when racing only had $2+ tickets.  When I went to Phoenix there were less than 100 people at the track and same with Tucson.  I remember the days when Sodrac, Gulf Greyhound and West Memphis were full escpecially on Fridays and Saturdays and would run 2 cards a day sometimes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2018, 09:05:44 am »

Nah.  We had a lot of dog abuse down here, and the tracks are dying.  Dog racing doesnít have a breeding industry center like Ocala, which will prevent anyone down here from going after horse racing.

Dog racing is the most misunderstood game in the world. Those dumbasses at PETA will try to ruin everything they possibly can. And I still say, they are coming after horse racing. If horse racing industry had ANY brains at all, they would have fought for dog racing. But of course, they didn't.

EDIT: Not saying horse racing is done because it won't be. But those morons are insane.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2018, 12:10:28 pm »

Not only that but I used to go to Daytona before it became so easy to bet online.  There is a lot of money run through the poker room and the simulcast of horse racing there.  Now that was 10+ years ago but with all the retired northeasters living there it is an older crowd that likes to bet on site.

So Southland will be one of 6 left when the 11 in Florida close..
The sport was declining, but still accounted for 25 percent of FL pari-mutuel revenue. It also allowed the tracks to operate poker rooms and casinos. They will go after horses next, although it will be here for the rest of my lifetime
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2018, 03:15:58 pm »

Down here, so I take it that you live in FLorida?

If so, did you vote?  Vote on the amendment for sports betting?  Did you even understand it?  The former Miami Marlins president or whatever he was voted for it by accident, he didn't realize until afterwards that the way it was worded he was voting for it instead of against it.

Yes, I live in St Pete.  And I did not vote for gambling amendment.  Not a big fan of amending constitution anyway because it allows legislators to abdicate their jobs.  And, all too frequently, ballot titles and descriptions are confusing for even the average voter.  I knew, however, what amendment was.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2018, 03:20:58 pm »

The sport was declining, but still accounted for 25 percent of FL pari-mutuel revenue. It also allowed the tracks to operate poker rooms and casinos. They will go after horses next, although it will be here for the rest of my lifetime

Poker rooms and simulcasting are the money makers for dog tracks and few of them pay serious attention to the racing product they put on.  It was a precipitous decline and, coupled with some recent stories of abuse, pretty well sealed the fate of the sport.  I wonít miss it in the least.  I am guessing they will be delighted to have poker rooms and simulcast centers and not have to deal with the racing. 

They arenít going to mount any serious challenge to horse racing in Florida.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2018, 03:21:47 pm »

Dog racing is the most misunderstood game in the world. Those dumbasses at PETA will try to ruin everything they possibly can. And I still say, they are coming after horse racing. If horse racing industry had ANY brains at all, they would have fought for dog racing. But of course, they didn't.

EDIT: Not saying horse racing is done because it won't be. But those morons are insane.

Why is dog racing misunderstood?
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2018, 06:07:45 pm »

Poker rooms and simulcasting are the money makers for dog tracks and few of them pay serious attention to the racing product they put on.  It was a precipitous decline and, coupled with some recent stories of abuse, pretty well sealed the fate of the sport.  I wonít miss it in the least.  I am guessing they will be delighted to have poker rooms and simulcast centers and not have to deal with the racing. 

They arenít going to mount any serious challenge to horse racing in Florida.
The remaining 6 open dog tracks will be the next target. Then what? They will have a little momentum and then go after the horses. I realize horse racing is a much larger entity and they will not stop horse racing. But, any small victory against one business cannot be good for a similar business. What if we have another Eight Belles incident on the largest stage in horse racing?  Or multiple horses breaking down? It will draw a lot of publicity on the "darker side" of animal racing.  Like I say, it won't happen in my lifetime. But rest assured , that is their ultimate objective.
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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2018, 06:36:49 pm »

The remaining 6 open dog tracks will be the next target. Then what? They will have a little momentum and then go after the horses. I realize horse racing is a much larger entity and they will not stop horse racing. But, any small victory against one business cannot be good for a similar business. What if we have another Eight Belles incident on the largest stage in horse racing?  Or multiple horses breaking down? It will draw a lot of publicity on the "darker side" of animal racing.  Like I say, it won't happen in my lifetime. But rest assured , that is their ultimate objective.

Breeding is simply too big an industry in the State - Ocala would collapse if they banned horse racing here - for it to happen in even the long range.  Dog racing had no such similar base. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2018, 12:41:48 am »

Why is dog racing misunderstood?

Dogs have a 99% adoption rate. They arenít drugged out like horses. Horse racing is a thousand times worse when it comes to cruelty. Most tracks take care of the horses but a lot of the minor league circuits donít. Dogs at tracks are very well treated. The same people that bet horses but complaining about dog racing apparently have no problems with horses being kept in a stall 23 hours a day.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2018, 08:12:38 am »

Dogs have a 99% adoption rate. They arenít drugged out like horses. Horse racing is a thousand times worse when it comes to cruelty. Most tracks take care of the horses but a lot of the minor league circuits donít. Dogs at tracks are very well treated. The same people that bet horses but complaining about dog racing apparently have no problems with horses being kept in a stall 23 hours a day.

I have serious doubts about that 99% figure.  And it isnít true to say categorically that horses are drugged and dogs are not or that horse cruelty is 1000 times worse than dog cruelty.  No doubt neglect and unauthorized drug use occurs in both sports but, in horse racing, it isnít nearly as prevalent as people believe it is. 

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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2018, 08:57:26 am »

I have serious doubts about that 99% figure.  And it isnít true to say categorically that horses are drugged and dogs are not or that horse cruelty is 1000 times worse than dog cruelty.  No doubt neglect and unauthorized drug use occurs in both sports but, in horse racing, it isnít nearly as prevalent as people believe it is. 



Have you spent any time around the dog track? I can tell you with 100% certainty that number is accurate. <1% of dog wipeouts end in the Dog being seriously hurt or dead. Horses break down and die every day. In fact, an exercise rider at CD died this morning because of a horse breaking down. Iím not anti-horse Racing by any means and I handle quite a bit of money each year on horses, but dog Racing isnít even on the same planet as cruel as horses.

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Re: Dog Gone
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2018, 07:42:13 pm »

Yes, Derby Lane is 5 miles from me. I just disagree with your generalizations.
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Re: Dog Gone
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2018, 04:16:20 pm »

I noticed alot of bettors were just "number" bettors at the dog track.  I think the % of those who just played their favorite numbers was much higher than in horse racing.  Not a knock on them just an observation
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