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Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« on: September 16, 2018, 02:18:13 pm »

If our season was weather, and we were watching the Weather Channel, this would look like Moore, OK, after that 1999 F5 tornado.

The neighborhoods hit weren't the nicest in town, but they weren't bad (inherited talent).

There was reason to worry but no one saw this coming (forecast of 5-7, rather consistent around here, cannot begin to describe what is happening).

Those trying to make sense out of it are already losing perspective, and struggling with words to describe what has happened (never experienced in UA history, ever, still fails to cover it adequately).

And, you stand in the debris field and there is nothing there. You walk into a pile of rubble, pick up a kitchen chair. Its intact! But, you have no idea if it is your chair, or the neighbor's chair. Worse, there is nothing left of the rest of the table and chair set so having ONE working chair, yours or your neighbor's, really seems a bit silly.

At some point, some talking head will piece it together, and refer to a "perfect storm," a combination of elements that by themselves have meaning but do not signal the overwhelming devastation we see in front of us.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2018, 02:20:14 pm »

I owe a lot of posters an apology, if the first post is allowed to be accurate. If accurate, it means that all the discussions about who should play, and why, and what schemes we use, and tweaks to things that we propose...all of that is wasted energy.

NOTHING was going to prevent this from happening. Who plays is meaningless. Who is QB matters not one lick.  Relative skills and the connection between those skills and scheme or playbook is irrelevant. This was destined to be leveled to the ground well before Bielema was fired last year.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2018, 02:27:13 pm »

I owe a lot of posters an apology, if the first post is allowed to be accurate. If accurate, it means that all the discussions about who should play, and why, and what schemes we use, and tweaks to things that we propose...all of that is wasted energy.

NOTHING was going to prevent this from happening. Who plays is meaningless. Who is QB matters not one lick.  Relative skills and the connection between those skills and scheme or playbook is irrelevant. This was destined to be leveled to the ground well before Bielema was fired last year.

You're probably correct. Nothing was going to stop this mess and it's been heading this way for the last 2 years at least. It's a big and disgusting pill to swallow. 

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2018, 02:31:02 pm »

If remotely accurate, it is not whether CBB (or Long, for that matter; certainly, the inclusion of Jeff Long in these conversations is a distraction, not a contribution to a solution) should have been fired, or whether he should have been retained.

It is HOW he was fired. It was the display of disinterest in the young men in the program. It was the machinations that left young men flapping in the wind. It was replacing one culture that had consistency and vision (even if it failed) with one that is a lot of sound byte and hype.

In the mix had to be the flirtation with Gus Malzahn.

It is the complete miscalculation of how the players would respond to change. Add into the mix the players seeing committed recruits left unable to determine if they were still being recruiting by UA (very different than how many coaches, but not all coaches, treat pre-existing recruits; note that Mike Anderson and Bret Bielema, to name two, honored all commitments made prior to their arrival...even if it wasn't a good fit for their systems).

It is the mismatch of a veteran defensive staff (basically) with a bunch of raw beginners (basically) on offense.

It is not being with your team the first time you travel. it is not moving your family to NWA as a sign of your commitment to UA (imagine if Jen Bielema had lived in Florida, or Chicago, or ? instead of moving to NWA where she was rather miserable). And, to be pre-emptive - you are right! That probably doesn't matter!!! But, EVERYTHING is on the table right now. Nothing can be dismissed as a factor.

Any of these on their own? No big deal, but we are dealing with a "perfect storm" of variables.

We as fans aren't immune - while EIU was not a great first game opponent, and the weather at game time not cooperating, why all the empty seats? Clearly, there was some sort of glitch in the fanbase that hasn't been fully sussed out yet.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2018, 02:34:36 pm »

The defense at least looks functional and well-coached. You can document things going on that indicate professionals with a plan are doing their job.

Can't say that for special teams and the offense. The inexperience as position coaches extends to the inability to manage young men in a position room. John Chavis commands the attention of any defensive player who is worth having on scholarship. Not one of the offensive coaches beyond Barry Lunney has enough of a resume for players to trust.

Another item that is small and doesn't matter on its own, but adds on to the pain: the HC embraces his "high school" side. Remember when that was an insult delivered by Reggie Herring? Supposedly?? We have a coach that oversees a team that makes high school mistakes, and a lot of them.  "High School," indeed.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2018, 02:36:14 pm »

You're probably correct. Nothing was going to stop this mess and it's been heading this way for the last 2 years at least. It's a big and disgusting pill to swallow. 

Like those destroyed neighborhoods in Moore (or Puerto Rico, following Maria; or, fill in the blank natural disaster) you can't just rebuild. You have to doze the area clean and start over. Dangerous territory because you will be relying on the coach who is contributing to the destruction to be the one to rebuild it.
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2018, 02:55:31 pm »

It is very difficult to quantify failure from the last season of a coach to the first season of a new coach. Systems change, coaching styles change, etc.

One good place is on special teams, where kickers are largely left on their own, and play design is pretty standard across the sport.

We have returning kickers and punters who are substantially worse, year/year. And, instead of being the team dinking around with special teams gimmicks we are the team letting those plays work. Ouch.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2018, 03:25:45 pm »

If we want to focus on players, we'll continue to divide behind QBs and fret about "who sucks less."

Kind of like telling a family that loses a family member in the F5 tornado with 300 MPH winds that if they just would have gone to an interior closet they would have survived...in a house that was leveled to the ground.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 03:38:48 pm »

For those who are a part of the "you just don't fire a guy after one year" crowd, I respect that position. The standard line says a coach gets four years, three if it is really bad, to turn things around.

The silver lining for that mind set is this: Morris really IS bulldozing this to the ground and we are experiencing the leveling of all the debris that is left over from Nutt, Petrino, and Bielema. Kind of an odd way to do it, but running off marginal talent or those that might be functional players but not in your system...that is bold, to say the least. If in four years we can look back and say "aha, he did it his way" then I'll be the first to admit I didn't get it at first.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2018, 04:26:19 pm »

Oklahawg youre a smart guy and supported Bret longer than most. There is truth in this rant but also a lot of butt hurt. The team that needed last second heroics to beat Coastal Carolina was all Bret's. Bielema was substance but Morris is hype? Do you need to see the "Let the Freaks out Border Line Erotic Video" again? Morris is going to level this program and a lot of kids will leave. It needs to happen. The process of going from the most methodical offense in the country to the HUNH made this a high probability.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 04:32:40 pm »

The defense at least looks functional and well-coached. You can document things going on that indicate professionals with a plan are doing their job.

Can't say that for special teams and the offense. The inexperience as position coaches extends to the inability to manage young men in a position room. John Chavis commands the attention of any defensive player who is worth having on scholarship. Not one of the offensive coaches beyond Barry Lunney has enough of a resume for players to trust.

Another item that is small and doesn't matter on its own, but adds on to the pain: the HC embraces his "high school" side. Remember when that was an insult delivered by Reggie Herring? Supposedly?? We have a coach that oversees a team that makes high school mistakes, and a lot of them.  "High School," indeed.


Not a missed tackle that I saw on Saturday..


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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 05:28:24 pm »

If our season was weather, and we were watching the Weather Channel, this would look like Moore, OK, after that 1999 F5 tornado.

The neighborhoods hit weren't the nicest in town, but they weren't bad (inherited talent).

There was reason to worry but no one saw this coming (forecast of 5-7, rather consistent around here, cannot begin to describe what is happening).

Those trying to make sense out of it are already losing perspective, and struggling with words to describe what has happened (never experienced in UA history, ever, still fails to cover it adequately).

And, you stand in the debris field and there is nothing there. You walk into a pile of rubble, pick up a kitchen chair. Its intact! But, you have no idea if it is your chair, or the neighbor's chair. Worse, there is nothing left of the rest of the table and chair set so having ONE working chair, yours or your neighbor's, really seems a bit silly.

At some point, some talking head will piece it together, and refer to a "perfect storm," a combination of elements that by themselves have meaning but do not signal the overwhelming devastation we see in front of us.

Well, where to begin given several posts of statements you made in this thread?

I guess I am of a different mindset in all of this, though I don't have the benefit of the perspective/insight of Chad Morris at this point.

I am of the belief that if you have to burn everything to the ground and start over completely, you aren't looking at a 2-3 year revival of winning at a higher level within your system, you are looking at a 5 year rebuild and I'm not o.k. with that. I wasn't ok with it from Bielema and I'm not ok with it from Morris. I can see having to get a couple of seasons under your belt with good recruiting classes and doing more in year 3 (assuming that you haven't screwed up your recruiting classes somehow), but 5 years...uh, no. And that is what a coach is saying if he feels he has to burn everything to the ground, clean house and totally rebuild.

I think that we have underrated talent on this team that can be molded to fit what Morris needs to get done. Certainly enough to go to bowls each year and if not year 1, certainly ensuing years. Now that talent may not perfectly align with his offensive schemes but there is enough there to do more with than what we have seen so far in the first 3 games.

He prides himself in being a HS Coach. That's fine and all, but most HS HC's evaluate their roster and tweak their schemes to match the talent that is available to them year to year. Don't have a great passing QB? Better shore up the run game. Don't have a great O-Line? You better scheme around it with mis-direction and getting the ball out of the QB's hands quickly so that you don't take a lot of negative yards and you doggone better be sure that your receivers are all running their routes to the end.

I don't see this as being a "burn it to the ground" situation. I do see it as being a challenge to Morris to mold this offense to something that can consistently gain yards. The defense is trying to do their part but you can't spot an opponent 24 points off of turnovers and expect your defense to work a miracle.

If Morris needs 5 years to rebuild a team that is mostly stocked with offensive players who have played a similar offense in HS, then he isn't the guy we need and though it would hurt the program for the short run, it might hurt it more greatly to languish for 4-5 years until he feels he has had enough time to get everything just perfect and then maybe not get it perfect in the end.

We aren't UNT. We are capable of more, have more talent on campus and we just need someone who has the know-how to put it all together and continue to rebuild at the same time. JMO

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2018, 09:50:47 pm »

Oklahawg youre a smart guy and supported Bret longer than most. There is truth in this rant but also a lot of butt hurt. The team that needed last second heroics to beat Coastal Carolina was all Bret's. Bielema was substance but Morris is hype? Do you need to see the "Let the Freaks out Border Line Erotic Video" again? Morris is going to level this program and a lot of kids will leave. It needs to happen. The process of going from the most methodical offense in the country to the HUNH made this a high probability.

This is not about CBB vs Morris, this is the complete incapacity to find one redeeming thing that has grown since last year with the offense or special teams. This is not a sideways step while in a learning curve. This is about getting substantially worse. This is about a coach committing virtually every gaffe that a good HS coach should know to not make.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2018, 09:55:00 pm »

You're probably correct. Nothing was going to stop this mess and it's been heading this way for the last 2 years at least. It's a big and disgusting pill to swallow.
It's not a pill.  It's a suppository...

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2018, 11:07:11 pm »

It's not a pill.  It's a suppository...

Yeah, for an elephant. And UA fans are fresh out of lubricant or sedatives.

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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2018, 11:21:17 pm »

Yeah, for an elephant. And UA fans are fresh out of lubricant or sedatives.
These next three games are gonna hurt a little...
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2018, 11:24:34 pm »

The tsunami is coming.
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2018, 11:25:31 pm »

These next three games are gonna hurt a little...

Indeed.

I'll say this - if Morris can somehow turn things in his favor and get the team buzzing as a team, even if we lose all three by decent margins, then he has something I don't see right now.
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2018, 11:30:33 pm »

In the spirit of the thread, we, as Razorback fans, must weather the storm.
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2018, 11:37:18 pm »

In the spirit of the thread, we, as Razorback fans, must weather the storm.
better find a storm shelter
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2018, 11:37:45 pm »

OPs posts come off as very pro-bielema and anti-morris. For sure some of this going  around from fans and probably players too. Morris deserves criticism right now, but if it is displaced because of jadedness over Bielema being fired it's wrong.
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2018, 11:48:36 pm »

better find a storm shelter
Unfortunately, we are at SE SEA-C.
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2018, 09:00:07 am »

The defense at least looks functional and well-coached. You can document things going on that indicate professionals with a plan are doing their job.

Agreed.  One recalls the criticisms that Chavis has taken for running a simple defense.  Simplicity has its benefits.
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2018, 09:03:32 am »

You're probably correct. Nothing was going to stop this mess and it's been heading this way for the last 2 years at least. It's a big and disgusting pill to swallow. 

I agree but since it been so long since Bobby left this is a very bitter pill to swallow.
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Re: Weather Channel Version of Our Season
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2018, 11:15:05 am »

OPs posts come off as very pro-bielema and anti-morris. For sure some of this going  around from fans and probably players too. Morris deserves criticism right now, but if it is displaced because of jadedness over Bielema being fired it's wrong.

Not at all. I was all for Bielema being let go.

The players are a family and their coach gets fired the way CBB was fired. Its like a family member dying and there being no funeral. Mourning is a necessary part of grieving and recovery. The brilliant plan that found CBB fired as he exited the field vs Mizzou did just that to the players.

One of my most enduring criticisms was CBB's failure to embrace UA completely. He always felt like he was still thinking "what if" when he'd talk about his "time at that other school." If Morris didn't initiate the conversation someone should do it for him - spell out the problems with the last guy so that you don't repeat the same mistakes.
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