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theFlyingHog

Musk/Tesla
« on: August 17, 2018, 06:41:47 am »

Iím surprised to not find a topic on the front page. Which way are they heading? Fox Business really wants me to think ol Elon canít hack it. Said the Saudis arenít going to bail him out though they have a couple billion at stake
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vandybuff

Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 07:50:03 am »

i m o the company is very overvalued. 
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Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 08:16:54 am »

i m o the company is very overvalued. 

Extremely overvalued in my eyes, too.
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McKdaddy

Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 11:48:09 am »

He's too unhinged.  Probably should take it private, if he can factually secure the funding and get shareholder approval.
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Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2018, 02:26:41 pm »

He's too unhinged.  Probably should take it private, if he can factually secure the funding and get shareholder approval.
Does seem to have a screw or two loose based on some of his public pronouncements. Not sure anyone can honestly believe what the guy says. Look, I get that up to now the original Tesla's have been amazing. However, it's become obvious that the quality of their latest models have slipped noticeably. A number of quality control problems, including (hard to believe) bumpers even falling off.

Sooner or later the company has be begin actually making money rather than constantly bleeding red ink. They've never made a profit; and while it's true their production numbers are APPARENTLY (if you can truly believe what we're being told) going up, one main issue is that virtually EVERY other car company out there is either already producing a line of electric vehicles or will be shortly. And that includes everyone from Chevy and Ford to Mercedes, Jaguar and almost anyone else you can think of. And THEY already have the production capacity and deep pockets to finance such ventures.
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Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2018, 02:28:04 pm »

Musk is a great ďideasĒ guy and his vision is inspiring to many. His weaknesses though lie in execution of the visions. More specifically, his lack of execution is tied to him not being able to delegate certain things, not being able/willing to develop a strong second in command, and lastly, translating his vision into leadership. Itís always him vs the shorts, him vs production estimates, etc. Dude needs to learn the subtle differences between inspiring, leading, and delegating.

Stock wise, TSLA is way overvalued because itís a bit of a cult stock.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2018, 03:43:40 pm »

Musk is a great ďideasĒ guy and his vision is inspiring to many. His weaknesses though lie in execution of the visions. More specifically, his lack of execution is tied to him not being able to delegate certain things, not being able/willing to develop a strong second in command, and lastly, translating his vision into leadership. Itís always him vs the shorts, him vs production estimates, etc. Dude needs to learn the subtle differences between inspiring, leading, and delegating.

Stock wise, TSLA is way overvalued because itís a bit of a cult stock.
Much of what you say is totally "spot on", especially the part concerning his being a great "ideas" guy. Problem is that many such aren't able to actually take those concepts and get them to working PROFITABLY. A huge gulf often times between ideas and execution. Being a public company means you have a TON of outsiders-suppliers, bankers, stockholders, investment managers-etc. perusing the books and the overall operations of the company. They demand and expect a LOT of answers, not evasions, to their questions/concerns.  Besides, Musk is NOT that kind of guy who seems to "play well with others".
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theFlyingHog

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2018, 10:24:15 am »

Musk is a great ďideasĒ guy and his vision is inspiring to many. His weaknesses though lie in execution of the visions. More specifically, his lack of execution is tied to him not being able to delegate certain things, not being able/willing to develop a strong second in command, and lastly, translating his vision into leadership. Itís always him vs the shorts, him vs production estimates, etc. Dude needs to learn the subtle differences between inspiring, leading, and delegating.

Stock wise, TSLA is way overvalued because itís a bit of a cult stock.
This is exactly what it has seemed like to me and why I just donít feel like it will stick around. I mean, look at bitcoin.
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Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2018, 12:54:07 pm »

He is selling idea's and as long as those ideas keep coming with the shock and awe like they have the past so many years, the price soars.  I personally am a believer he can't implement the manufacturing side of the ideas on a scale to be anything different then a high end car manufacturer, ala Lambo, mclaren, etc.  His idea of that price point car was great, however it completely flopped IMO. 

This right here has killed his company.  If he wants to established an idea and thought based company he has something, if he wants to be a tech innovator company, he has something there, however he can't be all along with a manufacturer.  Im kind of shocked a google or apple hasn't swooped up the company for the innovations ideas to sell.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 06:05:45 am »

He is selling idea's and as long as those ideas keep coming with the shock and awe like they have the past so many years, the price soars.  I personally am a believer he can't implement the manufacturing side of the ideas on a scale to be anything different then a high end car manufacturer, ala Lambo, mclaren, etc.  His idea of that price point car was great, however it completely flopped IMO. 

This right here has killed his company.  If he wants to established an idea and thought based company he has something, if he wants to be a tech innovator company, he has something there, however he can't be all along with a manufacturer.  Im kind of shocked a google or apple hasn't swooped up the company for the innovations ideas to sell.
Specifically - what innovations? I am not throwing rocks - I really want to know what innovations.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 07:31:25 am »

Specifically - what innovations? I am not throwing rocks - I really want to know what innovations.

Tesla/spaceX havenít made any innovations?  Was Musk also the man with the idea behind PayPal as well? 
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 08:39:38 am »

Tesla/spaceX havenít made any innovations?  Was Musk also the man with the idea behind PayPal as well? 
Sorry - I wasn't clear - what innovations come with an investment in Tesla?
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 10:11:00 am »

Sorry - I wasn't clear - what innovations come with an investment in Tesla?

Iím not sure any do now.   Not real sure I even understand your question in response to my post. 
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Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 02:34:24 pm »

He is selling idea's and as long as those ideas keep coming with the shock and awe like they have the past so many years, the price soars.  I personally am a believer he can't implement the manufacturing side of the ideas on a scale to be anything different then a high end car manufacturer, ala Lambo, mclaren, etc.  His idea of that price point car was great, however it completely flopped IMO. 

This right here has killed his company.  If he wants to established an idea and thought based company he has something, if he wants to be a tech innovator company, he has something there, however he can't be all along with a manufacturer.  Im kind of shocked a google or apple hasn't swooped up the company for the innovations ideas to sell.
One thing that many are very likely overlooking is that with the alleged ramp up in production of the new Tesla their output will put them over the minimum required by the government for a special financial incentive that's help the company offset some of the costs/cash drain the company has continued to experience. As mentioned earlier there are competitive offerings either being introduced/will be introduced by such manufacturers as Ford, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche and others. Obviously the playing field is going to become ever more crowded and competition increasingly intense.
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Re: Musk/Tesla
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2018, 05:12:58 pm »

So....surprise, surprise ole Elon has decided NOT to take the company private after all (as if THAT was ever a truly viable option). It will be truly interesting now that particular attempt to distract the public from the true future of the company has become clear what lies in store from the standpoint of the stock's performance. Will the shareholders that continue to believe that a company that is selling about 1.5% the number of the cars of someone like GM but losing money like the Titanic taking on water, continue to blindly follow this guy's schtick like the sheep and lemmings they are? And then there's the Board of Directors who generally seem to be content to crown Elon the infallible genius who doesn't know how to run a company or achieve the alleged production goals without continuing to turn the newer Tesla model 3 into an overpriced pile of junk. Reports of bumpers literally falling off, paint/finish issues, noticeable seams in the body where none should exist, elective battery issues, etc. make this once iconic brand into a overpriced bucket of bolts. So if one wants to follow the path of this guy and his pack of merry men over the cliff then best of luck with the parachutes.
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