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FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. – Another day, another injury on the offensive line at Arkansas.


The latest is senior Deion Malone. He joins true freshman Ryan Winkel, juniors Colton Jackson and Jalen Merrick along with sophomore Dylan Hays on the sidelines.


On Tuesday, Arkansas coach Chad Morris talked about Malone's injury.


“We really don’t have much to report other than Deion Malone is out and will be out the rest of the year,” Morris said. “He had season-ending surgery last night on his knee.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 02:26:50 pm »

Ouch that hurts.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2018, 02:34:56 pm »

Horrible
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2018, 02:36:17 pm »

And the hits just keep on coming.  This is in and area of severe need to, I hope some freshmen are ready to step up.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2018, 02:41:38 pm »

So, what is Zach Rogers up too? Not too late to register correct?

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2018/jan/18/rogers-leaving-arkansas-football-program/
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2018, 02:45:39 pm »

This is why you sign at least 4-5 OL per year.  After washouts and injuries, you may only have 1-2 legit options.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2018, 02:54:28 pm »

And the hits just keep on coming.  This is in and area of severe need to, I hope some freshmen are ready to step up.

We only signed 3 and 1 is hurt.  2 committed in the current class.  Maybe at some point an Arkansas coaching staff will get it again. 

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2018, 03:41:24 pm »

Not good news.  I hope for a speedy recovery.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2018, 03:41:42 pm »

I have been around High School coaches most of my life.  One of the realities of the job that is different than almost any other level of coaching is that you have to do what you can with what you have. High school coaches can not afford to be slavish to any one philosophy because they may not have the players to be able to execute that philosophy. 

I can honestly tell you that the last place I expected to see such a deficit when Bielema left was on the o-Line, but here we are. I am curious to see if Morris can come up with a game plan to cover for this obvious weak spot on the team.  I am interested to see what he does, because he's going to have to think of something, an I am hoping that this is an area where his previous High School coaching experience comes in handy.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2018, 03:42:18 pm »

It should just be assumed that half the OL you sign aren't going to work out.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2018, 04:13:47 pm »

Again, there should be stud OL that are looking for immediate PT fighting for a spot to come here in this class. I thought Malone was a reach after he had to RS coming from JUCO, but he's been a team player as far as moving where team needs him to due to depth. OL not looking pretty rn...
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2018, 04:14:40 pm »

Bad situation and no depth is the real issue. No question this will be a multiyear fix.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2018, 04:28:35 pm »

Bad situation and no depth is the real issue. No question this will be a multiyear fix.

Needs to start this year.  We have two OL commits, and need at LEAST two more.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2018, 04:43:06 pm »

I know they didn't part on great terms.  Wouldn't surprise me in the least if there was some negative recruiting going on after he left.

I do think he kinda phoned it in his last year here, recruiting-wise.

He definitely did, and he also spent a LOT of time recruiting hard to get kids it seems. Like that Bolles (maybe?) kid that was a JUCO kid that would only be wherever he transferred to for 1 year.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2018, 04:51:25 pm »

Too bad Luke Jones went to Notre Dame. He could contend for PT right now.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2018, 05:36:14 pm »

Needs to start this year.  We have two OL commits, and need at LEAST two more.

OL is going to be the toughest position group to recruit in this system.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2018, 05:43:54 pm »

OL is going to be the toughest position group to recruit in this system.
Proving to be true.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2018, 05:47:57 pm »

This sucks!


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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2018, 06:51:00 pm »


If I were a 4* OL and a SR in high school.

I sure would think I could play early in the SEC at AR which would get me to the league.

It's not a system thing.  The hogs use basically the same offensive system as more than half of the SEC.

There is playing time right on the table.  How can that not lure some great OL to come play next year.

I get it, but I just don't get it.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2018, 07:02:19 pm »

Losing Charlie Partridge was the beginning of Bret’s downfall. Sam leaving, especially the way it went down, was the final blow for Bret. He may have survived losing Charlie but couldn’t afford to lose Sam. Perhaps his tunrover issue with assistants at Wisconsin should have been a hint of something wrong other than simply pay as we were told. Maybe it should have been a red flag so to speak. I guess we’ll never know for sure.

In my opinion, Bielema not retaining Steve Caldwell and Bielema not making Randy Shannon the DC were two aspects that doomed Bielema.

Bielema's failure to have consistent collegiate level Special Teams play was also a problem.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2018, 07:15:12 pm »

If I were a 4* OL and a SR in high school.

I sure would think I could play early in the SEC at AR which would get me to the league.

It's not a system thing.  The hogs use basically the same offensive system as more than half of the SEC.

There is playing time right on the table.  How can that not lure some great OL to come play next year.

I get it, but I just don't get it.

It is a system thing. There are several articles out there about OL not being ready for the NFL because they block every play like a run play and use zone schemes. Throw in the fact that there are very few elite OL and you find yourself with the hardest recruiting job in CFB.
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2018, 07:29:23 pm »

It is a system thing. There are several articles out there about OL not being ready for the NFL because they block every play like a run play and use zone schemes. Throw in the fact that there are very few elite OL and you find yourself with the hardest recruiting job in CFB.

Doesn't the UA now have the same OL recruiting issues as Auburn, Alabama, Miss St, OMU, Florida, Kentucky, OU, Tex, A/M (not sure), Clemson, Nebraska, Ohio St., FL St., Washington, UCLA, Oregon  etc etc.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2018, 07:29:45 pm »

It is a system thing. There are several articles out there about OL not being ready for the NFL because they block every play like a run play and use zone schemes. Throw in the fact that there are very few elite OL and you find yourself with the hardest recruiting job in CFB.

Well, if it is any consolation, we just had a system that should be the epitome of pro-preparation, and that clearly did us a lot of good.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2018, 07:42:32 pm »

Zach Rogers and Heinrich quitting football really hurt now.

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2018, 07:49:08 pm »

Doesn't the UA now have the same OL recruiting issues as Auburn, Alabama, Miss St, OMU, Florida, Kentucky, OU, Tex, A/M (not sure), Clemson, Nebraska, Ohio St., FL St., Washington, UCLA, Oregon  etc etc.

Some of those recruit better than others, but there are few elite recruits to go around.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2018, 08:15:58 pm »

So what’s the solution?
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2018, 08:25:34 pm »

This is a reason I think Hogs will struggle big time, and could lose at Colorado State.

Remember Hog run plays getting stuffed and QBs getting clobbered last year?

How will O-lin be different this year, except without NFL draft pick Ragnow?

All the "Chad is offensive genius" talk will surely make up for depleted O-line this year, right?

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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2018, 08:34:59 pm »

So what’s the solution?

I'm concerned because there's playing time next season for decent OL.  It used to be that's what mattered to players.

Everybody is running similar systems now so it's not a system problem.  The hogs just lost 2 instate OL to schools that run the same or similar systems.

The hogs have former OL players in the NFL so by going to the UA doesn't keep a player from making it to the NFL.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2018, 09:00:23 pm »

Wow.  The one position that held us back more than any other last season, is the one suffering the most from attrition and injuries right when it needs to be getting back on track.  Then we somehow miss on the two D-1 in state recruits that could have at least helped us down the road, and now we're left in shambles. 

Geez...talk about poop in your cornflakes.  That sucks.   :puke: 
We are going to have to suck it up and endure.  Things will get better.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2018, 09:04:37 pm »

Well thanks to Bert, it is all we got.  You are really too easy.

There were certainly mistakes made in recruiting the O-Line in the past, but Bielema has nothing to do with the rash of injuries that we have suffered along the O-Line this year. Best case scenario, maybe some of you will cut Morris and Fry some slack, or give them greater accolades, with the results that we experience this season? Or maybe you will find a way to blame the new S&C Coach for these injuries? Rinse, repeat. Gotta find someone to blame, right?

This isn't a good situation but they will find a way to deal with it. It certainly isn't an ideal situation but continuing to find blame for a coach who is no longer associated with the program when it comes to a rash of injuries this season is really silly.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2018, 11:47:19 pm »

Maybe FANOFTHILL's son will reconsider giving up football.  :)  Pretty sure he was an o-lineman.

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2018, 11:52:48 pm »

When is Merrick gonna get in there?
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2018, 05:36:51 am »


Bert left this program in a bad way. No way to polish a turd MHF. Where's Ty Clary, BB''s X factor of the OL last year as a true freshman.

The OL is a cluster even before the injuries.

It is what it is, BB screwed us everyway from Sunday, you can spin it however you wish.

If we win 5, I'll be impressed with Coach Chad.

Not trying to "polish" anything. It is what it is and as I said above, there were mistakes made in recruiting. The rash of injuries to that position group this year has nothing to do with the past and until the injury bug reared its head recently, most everybody thought we were thin, but were going to be able to get by this year with the kids that we had on the O-Line. Morris said he liked to shoot for 15 scholarship O-Linemen and I think we have 14. This is just a ridiculously high number of O-Linemen to have significant enough injuries as to keep them completely out of action but it is no ones fault. It could happen to any team.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2018, 06:24:32 am »

ya know, I get ill when I see posts like the above...comparing Petrino to "My 600 lb Life" is a joke...Petrino was a winner in the SEC, "My 600 lb Life" went ofer one year and in his LAST season had one W in the SEC...so before you run your mouth about Petrino, think 'wins v losses'

It wasn’t a comparison. The lack of Oline number started with Petrino. David Hurd was starting at left tackle.

As I mentioned Bielema had more than enough time to fix those numbers
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2018, 07:25:35 am »

A question by the unknowing:

I have read that Arkansas has strength in numbers on the defensive line side of the ball.  Is it feasible, or desirable, to move a couple of them to the offensive side of the ball?
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2018, 07:39:03 am »

Might also be time to cross train Cantrell as a backup OL
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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2018, 08:14:49 am »

A question by the unknowing:

I have read that Arkansas has strength in numbers on the defensive line side of the ball.  Is it feasible, or desirable, to move a couple of them to the offensive side of the ball?

I would thnk they will certainly look into that.
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2018, 10:03:06 am »

The OL situation was the main reason I am not as optimistic about our season as some. No depth and unproven talent is a bad combination in the SEC. If not for that I think new schemes and better coaching we could make a little noise.

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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2018, 10:08:09 am »

We know why we are in this situation as we could see this potentially coming.  At this point, more interested in how and when it gets fixed.  In the short term, the staff is going to have to figure out depth: walkons, moving players, crosstraining.  Will be interesting to see what the plan is they try.  Long term, got to recruit better and in larger numbers.  So far, this current staff isn't giving me much confidence with their start on this fix. 
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2018, 10:14:49 am »

Seems like  we have some Cbb drinking buddies on here

Seems like we need some moderation in the thread with the dumbass one liners and weak jokes.  Forum was supposed to have been cleaned up.  Yet threads like this end up going to darn because some can't move on from their personal love or hate for past coaches.  Can't have an honest discussion about the program.  That is frustrating posters. 

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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2018, 10:17:03 am »

We know why we are in this situation as we could see this potentially coming.  At this point, more interested in how and when it gets fixed.  In the short term, the staff is going to have to figure out depth: walkons, moving players, crosstraining.  Will be interesting to see what the plan is they try.  Long term, got to recruit better and in larger numbers.  So far, this current staff isn't giving me much confidence with their start on this fix.
I think we need to sign six OL for 2019.
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2018, 10:30:49 am »

OL is going to be the toughest position group to recruit in this system.

I understand what you are saying.  I've never held back on my disdain for the spread offenses and the olines in them.  But there are some positives to this for college programs.

Practice time and thus development time is very limited.  It is difficult to develop linemen who can both pass and run block in pro style offensive schemes with the limited time given how undeveloped they are now coming out of these ridiculous 7 on 7 HS offenses.  We discussed this back when Petrino was here and we would have issues.  OL has always been one of the hardest positions for coaches to project recruits anyway.  I'm not convinced kids even want to learn how to be an olineman in a pro style offense any longer.  The less contact the better it seems for many.  Just zone block.  If nobody is front of them just drift downfield (oversimplifying I know).  So I don't know we will have a system issue with recruiting OL.  We have the program issue we can't fix which is a limited amount of SEC level players including olinemen in our state.  Losing 2 in one class is bad (not blaming anyone for it). 

This time it takes to develop offensive linemen physically and technique-wise is why going the JC route so often is dumb along with signing only 1-2 high school ol in a class. 

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2018, 11:08:06 am »

Is it too late to track down some graduate transfers as a stop-gap?
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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2018, 11:13:34 am »

honest discussion,  the program is in poor shape.  who put it there? there is only one answer. the former head coach, period.
this staff will have to work like heck to get out of it.

I don't think the program is in poor shape. There are a lot of high quality players on this team that will contribute well this season.  The OL position group is in poor shape no debate there. Whether or not it is is poor enough shape to completely hamstring the offense this season remains to be seen.  The overall roster is not nearly in as bad a shape as it has been in some years.   

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Re: Kirk: O-Line Depth Takes Another Hit with Malone's Knee Injury
« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2018, 11:20:19 am »

I apologize for not getting this thread under control yesterday. It has been purged and discussion can continue ue .

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2018, 11:30:16 am »

Seems like we need some moderation in the thread with the dumbass one liners and weak jokes.  Forum was supposed to have been cleaned up.  Yet threads like this end up going to darn because some can't move on from their personal love or hate for past coaches.  Can't have an honest discussion about the program.  That is frustrating posters. 
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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2018, 11:31:16 am »

Proving to be true.
That makes no sense at all.... Look at Oklahoma and the way they put linemen in the NFL yearly, running similar system... Its not hard to get linemen to play in a passing offense at all.... thats how they get recognized!!!.. The days of the road grader, oversized lineman is over.... its not a place just to stick the fatties anymore.
It will take time to develop on o-line, they arent built overnight, hopefully CCM has the right guy in position to do just that.... hog fans arent know for their patience, but let's set back and enjoy college football and see what happens

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Will our QB's make it through the season?
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2018, 11:48:18 am »

With the depleted OLine, will our 1 and 2 QB's make it through the entire season? 

SEC defense's will be licking their chops, coming after our OL and blowing up plays, just like they did when the Allen boys were taking snaps.  My only hope is that CCM actually has a backup prepared to play when an injury does happen.  I still remember that Missouri game where BA could barely move, yet we put him out there to take snaps and get demolished time after time. 

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Re: Will our QB's make it through the season?
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2018, 11:53:47 am »

at this point no one knows...only positive thing is this system should allow the ball to get released quickly compared last years offense

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Re: Will our QB's make it through the season?
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2018, 11:57:52 am »

It's foolish at this point to assume the o-line this year will be anything like the o-line last year.

I will withhold judgement until a few games are played.
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