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Players unofficially available this year

AíTyanna Gaulden           G          RSo        5-7   
Raven Northcross-Baker   G          Sr        5-7   
Malica Monk                   G          Sr        5-5   
Keiryn Swenson             G/F          Sr        6-1   
Kiara Williams              F/C          Jr        6-1   
Grayce Spangler          G          So        5-11
Jailyn Mason                  G          Jr        5-9   
Sydney Stout                  F          Jr        6-0   
Bailey Zimmerman          G/F         Sr        6-0   
Taylah Thomas                  F         So        6-1   
Macy Weaver                 C         So        6-3   
Chelsea Dungee              G         RSo        5-11   
Alexis Tolefree              G              Jr            5-8
Rokia Doumbia             G              F             5-9
Erynn Barnum              F              F             6-2

Breakdown by position although some of these will play multiple positions:

Point Guard - the hogs will have two pure point guards this year who will be able to both push the ball and score.  We all know MM's talents.  A'Tyannna Gaulden is slightly taller (two inches) and bigger, she also doesnt tend to drive it as deep if she is well defended, but she is apt to pass first, pull up for a shot second.  The drive is to score at the rim for MM, but it is to draw the defense for AT to get good shots for her team mates.  Either approach has its merits, but each is a change of pace to the other.  Having the two of them should lead to a more full-throttled four quarters attack.  Jailyn Mason might also see limited time at this position.

Shooting Guard -  This year we will have two full bore - flat out stone cold shooting guards, in Alexis Tolefree and Chelsea Dungee.  It may even happen that they play at the same time in some games with Chelsea (at 5-11) playing small forward and perhaps even sometimes playing the four on defense in some alignments.  RNB might also fit in this category.  She was pretty streaky last year and there were few games when she lit it up consistently.  I think having the other two gunners will take some pressure off her and she will actually play better as a result.  If you regard this as the number three guard, Grace Spangler will have some minutes at this position but the bulk of the minutes will go to CD or AT.  Bailey Zimmerman will play in this position some because of her defense.  When she does - I look for CD to play the four.

Number two guard or off guard - mid range shooter - Jailyn Mason certainly fits in this category.  at 5-9 she is an inch taller than Tolefree and is more of a "complete or rounded" guard than Tolefree imho, but certainly brings a different skill set.  You will have our freshman Rokia Doumbia with some minutes at this position as well, bulk of the minutes to JM, with AT getting some.

Power Forward - Taylah Thomas, Erynn Barnum, Keiryn Swenson are the natural inhabitants of this position, but as I mentioned earlier - when we play a four guard offense, CD will drop from the three to the four.  The rest of the time it is my hope that TT will have developed enough to play the position at least half the minutes.  BZ might even play the position some.  Defensively I think we would play at our best with TT at the position, offensively for the most part CD

Center - Williams and Weaver.  Against some opponents Williams is apt to get the bulk of the minutes.  She is experienced, relentless and effective but she can be outmanned.  Weaver is less experienced, but is three inches taller and longer armed.  How much Weaver develops is one of the keys to how successful this team will be, especially in conference and post season.  I think we will be at our best defensively with TT at the four, MW at the five.  We will still be vertically challenged against some teams, but not nearly so much.  With CD at the 3, AT at the two and MM or AT at the one, scoring should not be a problem in those situations.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2018, 01:46:13 pm »

It is hard to argue with most of what Flippin as stated.  However, it does depend especially upon the development of Weaver and Thomas or someone else at the four or power forward like Barnum.  One final point is the above analysis does not account for the fact that we still need to know how we are getting down to 15 scholarships.  If anyone that is mentioned as key is missing, then we have a different situation.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2018, 02:20:25 pm »

I think if you read between flippinís lines, the answer about the 16th player is evident (by its absence). Or maybe Iím reading too much into things ó wouldnít be the first time!

One question I have is how often we will put out a 4 guard lineup. Clearly, we should be able to score the ball better than any team weíve had in quite a long time. Dungee and Tolefree are legit shooters. Iím honestly not sure about Gaulden, but if sheís as reliable as Mason (who can be streaky), thatís another couple of good options. Monk scores a lot, but she also shoots a lot, and her percentage isnít always good. Itíll be interesting to see how that develops. It will also be nice to have her be able to catch her breath for periods of time this season, which ought to help her numbers some. Doumbia is supposed to be a good slasher with a decent mid-range game, too. Thatís a lot of guard talent. How to get the best combo on the floor could be a tough nut to crack.

My second question ó well, itís more general curiosity than a question ó is to see how much post player development we will have. I thought Williams made HUGE strides last year. She was fantastic at times. Does she continue to improve? Do Thomas and Weaver make similar jumps after a year in the program? And what does Barnum add? She looks very athletic in what video clips I have seen.

Canít wait to see what the season brings!

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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2018, 02:30:02 pm »

It is hard to argue with most of what Flippin as stated.  However, it does depend especially upon the development of Weaver and Thomas or someone else at the four or power forward like Barnum.  One final point is the above analysis does not account for the fact that we still need to know how we are getting down to 15 scholarships.  If anyone that is mentioned as key is missing, then we have a different situation.

as Psych indicated You will note I didnt mention one player, but I dont want to announce anything until the coach and the university does.

I have lot of hope for Barnum - tall, lithe, good wing span, runs the floor.  Think she is a hybrid three/four (one service listed her as a wing which is usually closer to a three).  I dont know how long it will take her to get up to SEC speed if there is any delay at all. 

TT showed flashes last year, I just dont know about EB just yet.  But as opposed to last year, this year we have one more 6-1 or taller player which will help on fouls and platooning.  I hope CD doesnt have to play the 4 much this year, but I am almost certain that she will some.  At 5-11 and bigger than DC, she can hold her ground better without it hurting her offense.  But it would be nice if TT and MW (along with Kiara and EB) displayed enough offense that we didnt have to to go to a four guard offense as much.  Last year part of the reason why we didnt play the three of them together much was that all three of them picked up too many fouls.  All of them learned to cut down on that by the end of the year, so they should be able to play in tandem more, especially with the addition of Barnum.

I also take note that we have three seniors this year and that should perhaps make a difference as well.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2018, 07:48:58 am »

From Pscych's post:

I thought Williams made HUGE strides last year. She was fantastic at times. Does she continue to improve?

I thought this item deserved its own analysis.  Kiara did indeed come on a great deal toward the last half or last third of the conference season in particular.  Any of us who have ever played the game of basketball knows that some players play bigger than their actually physical size - Kiara is one of those, but that doesn't always work in every situation against every opponent.  Kiara seemed to understand her advantages and exploit them more in that period - as well as flat out worked her butt off and wouldn't be denied at times.  What I dont know is if the players she did that against were more susceptible to that than other players she will face. 

Do Thomas and Weaver make similar jumps after a year in the program? And what does Barnum add? She looks very athletic in what video clips I have seen

Usually you make your biggest single jump in development between your freshman year and sophomore year.  I do expect both Thomas and Weaver to be improved.  I hope a lot as I have previously stated.  Barnum is everything Psych said, I just dont know at what position she finds a home - she is a tweener in some respects - and how that plays against the opposition.  Playing time and being a freshman are likely to limit her some, but we will have to see what she does with her opportunities.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2018, 01:58:34 pm »

At his last luncheon, Coach said that he expects Williams to make tremendous strides this year over last.  One reason is she was not in shape last year as she did not expect to be back by her own admission.   That is why she was limited to only about 20 minutes per game.

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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2018, 04:27:46 pm »

At his last luncheon, Coach said that he expects Williams to make tremendous strides this year over last.  One reason is she was not in shape last year as she did not expect to be back by her own admission.   That is why she was limited to only about 20 minutes per game.

That (not sure if she wanted to be here and being out of shape) might account for both her being foul prone at first and secondly not picking it up until later in the year.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 09:06:19 am »

The 2018-19 roster is now on the Arkansas web site.  All 16 players are listed.  At least one can no longer be on scholarship.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 04:01:28 pm »

The 2018-19 roster is now on the Arkansas web site.  All 16 players are listed.  At least one can no longer be on scholarship.

The way I have it figured that roster will stay that way until after the Italy trip.  I think if that is possible it is a reward for a player's participation in past years.  Which is good form.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 04:35:27 pm »

The way I have it figured that roster will stay that way until after the Italy trip.  I think if that is possible it is a reward for a player's participation in past years.  Which is good form.
You can have 16 on the roster - not just on scholarship unless you split scholarships which I think can be done, but is not generally done in basketball.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2018, 05:55:19 pm »

The 2018-19 roster is now on the Arkansas web site.  All 16 players are listed.  At least one can no longer be on scholarship.
What happens if no one is willing to leave and all 16 are given scholarships?  Do we forfeit every game we play?
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2018, 06:48:26 pm »

What happens if no one is willing to leave and all 16 are given scholarships?  Do we forfeit every game we play?

Lol.

I expect our roster to have 16 players on it this year.

Only 15 of them will be on scholarship.

No forfeits necessary.
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2018, 08:30:44 am »

What happens if no one is willing to leave and all 16 are given scholarships?  Do we forfeit every game we play?
  Be Real.  That would never happen.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2018, 12:06:54 pm »

  Be Real.  That would never happen.
Anything possible can and likely (in time) will happen. To claim it shouldn't happen is not the same as saying that is not possible.  Explain why you believe it is not possible for the college to give to 16 scholarships.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2018, 01:17:01 pm »

Anything possible can and likely (in time) will happen. To claim it shouldn't happen is not the same as saying that is not possible.  Explain why you believe it is not possible for the college to give to 16 scholarships.
  If you give 16 athletic scholarships in women's basketball, you would violate NCAA rules and subject to a penalty.  Everyone would know that you did it and you would not be able to avoid a penalty.   
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2018, 02:17:05 pm »

The only possible explanation is that someone agreed to go off scholarship and remain on the team. It possibly might have been Stout. Regardless, it'll be a good question to ask for the media.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2018, 02:59:58 pm »

The only possible explanation is that someone agreed to go off scholarship and remain on the team. It possibly might have been Stout. Regardless, it'll be a good question to ask for the media.

And you already have your answer.
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2018, 08:00:46 am »

Mississippi State just got better - picked up Howard from Texas A&M.
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Re: Position by position analysis for 2018-19 women's basketball team
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2018, 08:53:01 am »

Mississippi State just got better - picked up Howard from Texas A&M.

Yup, but I think that was pretty predictable. And at least it's just for one year. Even with Howard, I don't see MSU being AS GOOD as they were last year. They just lost too much offense with Vivians, Schaefer, Johnson, and William graduating. They have an amazing front court, though.

And on the positive side, I think A&M is getting worse! ;-)
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2018, 01:00:46 pm »

Yup, but I think that was pretty predictable. And at least it's just for one year. Even with Howard, I don't see MSU being AS GOOD as they were last year. They just lost too much offense with Vivians, Schaefer, Johnson, and William graduating. They have an amazing front court, though.

And on the positive side, I think A&M is getting worse! ;-)
  I agree about A&M.  They seem to be putting all their eggs in their sophomore guards basket.  Good Luck.

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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2018, 05:50:03 pm »

The only possible explanation is that someone agreed to go off scholarship and remain on the team. It possibly might have been Stout. Regardless, it'll be a good question to ask for the media.
Per http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/sport/w-baskbl/roster/ there are 16 players and I believe all have been offered scholarships.  For out of state students a scholarship is worth over $41,000 and other benefits.  I doubt that anyone would agree to give up that.  I can't find any example on the internet where a team was penalized so maybe the penalty is a slap on the wrist and a promise not to do it again.

Otherwise, if all 16 show up and enroll perhaps the solution is not to give a player their scholarship.  The player could then pay their own way and sue for breach of contract for the full value.  If the U of A doesn't defend or even if they do, the court may award the plaintiff (player) the amount they sued for.  The U of A must obey court orders and the NCAA can't penalize a college for obeying a court order.  And, the court order (payment) would not be a scholarship so there would be no violation.

No doubt after the first time, to prevent other colleges from doing that, the NCAA would surely amend the rules to prevent that in the future.
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2018, 06:21:00 pm »

Per http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/sport/w-baskbl/roster/ there are 16 players and I believe all have been offered scholarships.  For out of state students a scholarship is worth over $41,000 and other benefits.  I doubt that anyone would agree to give up that.  I can't find any example on the internet where a team was penalized so maybe the penalty is a slap on the wrist and a promise not to do it again.

Otherwise, if all 16 show up and enroll perhaps the solution is not to give a player their scholarship.  The player could then pay their own way and sue for breach of contract for the full value.  If the U of A doesn't defend or even if they do, the court may award the plaintiff (player) the amount they sued for.  The U of A must obey court orders and the NCAA can't penalize a college for obeying a court order.  And, the court order (payment) would not be a scholarship so there would be no violation.  In short, the situation has been handled, only 15 of the women's players will be on scholarship.

No doubt after the first time, to prevent other colleges from doing that, the NCAA would surely amend the rules to prevent that in the future.

you fail to properly understand the rules.  What you said is true only for those who have been scholarship athletes from the start.  It is not correct for those who came to campus as walkons and that later were granted a scholarship.  Those individuals get their scholarships from year to year and the scholarships do not have to be renewed.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2018, 07:40:34 pm »

you fail to properly understand the rules.  What you said is true only for those who have been scholarship athletes from the start.  It is not correct for those who came to campus as walkons and that later were granted a scholarship.  Those individuals get their scholarships from year to year and the scholarships do not have to be renewed.
I didn't know that and thank you for the clarification because it eliminates a big worry I've been having.  It does explain why several posters are (were) so confident that all 16 players would not be on scholarship.  And, it makes sense to me that if all 16 players enroll and are on the team, most likely, that is what will happen.
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2018, 08:30:58 am »

One final point, there are athletic scholarships and their are academic scholarships.  If someone is eligible for an academic scholarship, I do not know if there are any rules that prohibit that.
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