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Joe Johnson
« on: May 14, 2018, 10:30:47 pm »

Honest question. Iím definitely not a basketball expert, but why the heck is he on the end of the bench? The Rockets are obviously undermanned (I donít watch much of the regular season) but even I know that Houston could use his 3 point shooting. I know that heís not in the rotation but if I was coaching Iíd think Iíd try everything in the book in the western conference finals.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 10:59:43 pm »

Mike D'antoni has never been known to go deep in his bench.   He's only going to play 7-8 guys.  He puts all his eggs into his main guys and just hopes they outscore the other team.  And it's not happening against the Warriors. 

Now, I will say the Warriors didn't go deep into their bench this game because it was close all the way through but Kerr is definitely not afraid to use his bench and plays a lot of those guys and he trusts them.  There's no reason D'antoni shouldn't be playing Joe Johnson he's still a very capable player and can without a doubt shoot the ball and help stretch the floor.  If Joe was on the Warriors he would have played, he would have got Nick Young's minutes. 
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2018, 07:09:35 am »

Maybe I just havenít watched enough Rockets games, but I donít understand why Tucker gets so many minutes. Joe can easily get some of his.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2018, 01:11:48 pm »

Ive watched a lot of Rockets games.  I'm not too surprised.  A lot of the guys playing in front of him bring something more to the table than Joe (even tucker).  Wouldn't be surprised to see him get some minutes, or no minutes. 
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2018, 01:16:37 pm »

Ive watched a lot of Rockets games.  I'm not too surprised.  A lot of the guys playing in front of him bring something more to the table than Joe (even tucker).  Wouldn't be surprised to see him get some minutes, or no minutes.

Iíll trust your opinion as I havenít watched them a ton.

Hereís a separate question about Iso Joe that Iím curious on yíallís opinions on...Is Joe Johnson a Hall of Famer?
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 01:22:33 pm »

Iíll trust your opinion as I havenít watched them a ton.

Hereís a separate question about Iso Joe that Iím curious on yíallís opinions on...Is Joe Johnson a Hall of Famer?

He will finish with the numbers to be in the HOF but don't know if he has the wow factor to get in. There are certainly less deserving that are in.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 01:52:48 pm »

He is not the same Joe Johnson he was 4-5 years ago, plus he isnít shooting the 3 that good this year or last couple of years. 
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 01:55:56 pm »

The Rockets set the single season record for most 3s made, and Joe Johnson shot 28% from the 3 for them.

He is not the same Joe Johnson, but I'd still have him on the court if you need a basket in the clutch.  He did hit another nice buzzer beating game winner late in the year.

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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2018, 06:08:26 pm »

Joe is obviously at the tail end of his career and the problem is he is "iso joe" which is exactly what Harden is for this team and other posters noted Joe's bad 3 point % this year. While players like tucker and green aren't half the player joe was in his prime at this point they are probably a better fit on the court. If they go down 0-2 or 0-3 I would hope they give him a chance you never know about vets on any given night they can turn back the clock. I hope he makes the HOF he has the numbers but the iffy thing is did he really make any mark on the league in his career?
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2018, 08:04:37 pm »

Houston needs intense defender and screeners at the 3 and 4.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2018, 10:30:35 pm »

Houston needs intense defender and screeners at the 3 and 4.

They need a guy like Patrick Beverly...oh wait...
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2018, 11:05:18 pm »

They need a guy like Patrick Beverly...oh wait...

Haha. Youíd have a point if Beverley was healthy for more than 10 games this year.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2018, 10:06:30 am »

He needs to get Mbah Moute's minutes. Dude can't shoot a lick
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2018, 02:26:45 pm »

He's a career iso player that is now suppose to be a spot up shooter for Houston but he can't hit the 3. Why the hell would they play him
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2018, 04:08:03 pm »

Iíll trust your opinion as I havenít watched them a ton.

Hereís a separate question about Iso Joe that Iím curious on yíallís opinions on...Is Joe Johnson a Hall of Famer?

Joe's a Hall guy, just not a first ballot.

The only thing easier than getting in with an election, is getting in with a ticket.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2018, 08:54:37 am »

Maybe I just havenít watched enough Rockets games, but I donít understand why Tucker gets so many minutes. Joe can easily get some of his.
This is funny.  I guess the last game showed you why D'antoni knows what he's doing.  Joe is done man.  He got slow really fast the last two years. 
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2018, 09:09:51 am »

Yeah, Joe's got no business playing in these series'.  He's a defensive sieve at this point in his career.  Tucker and MBM have to perform at a high level on that end.  Rockets have plenty of offense w/ the system they run.  But in the end it doesn't matter.  Warriors in 5
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2018, 04:26:40 pm »

I've watched Joe's entire career.  He has lost a few steps.  Sucks because(besides Jordan) he was the only guy I enjoyed watching.  He was a true super star for a good chunk of his career.

LeBaby always wanted to poach him away to team up, but Joe was like nah. lol 

He still has enough talent to get some playing time.  Just last year he led Utah to a first round victory over the Clippers.   but his defense has gone downhill.  Heavy, old legs aren't kind when you are facing young athletic guards. 


Regardless he's a HOF in my book.  His stats are incredible. 

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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2018, 07:15:51 pm »

This is funny.  I guess the last game showed you why D'antoni knows what he's doing.  Joe is done man.  He got slow really fast the last two years.

Itís funny? Ha ha...ok. The few games I watched, Ticker didnít impress me much. So...yep...I guess Dantoni ďshowed meĒ. Lol
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2018, 07:46:43 pm »

Itís funny? Ha ha...ok. The few games I watched, Ticker didnít impress me much. So...yep...I guess Dantoni ďshowed meĒ. Lol
Tucker is better at this point.
He needs to get Mbah Moute's minutes. Dude can't shoot a lick
his shoulder is banged up.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2018, 09:05:38 pm »

Honest question. Iím definitely not a basketball expert, but why the heck is he on the end of the bench? The Rockets are obviously undermanned (I donít watch much of the regular season) but even I know that Houston could use his 3 point shooting. I know that heís not in the rotation but if I was coaching Iíd think Iíd try everything in the book in the western conference finals.
In a month, Joe will have his 37th birthday.  That's 3 years shy of 40.  The fact that someone close to middle age can even make an NBA team is amazing.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2018, 10:04:08 am »

Rockets were -19 in his 8 minutes last night. 
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2018, 11:07:23 am »

Joe did amazing in the playoffs last year for the Jazz because he can get you buckets when you need him, hence earning him the nickname "Iso Joe." The Jazz didn't rally have a player that fit that mold last year, (then they drafted Donovan Mitchell.)

The Rockets have both James Harden (arguably best iso player in the league) and Chris Paul (also up there) to do the work that Joe would've brought to the table. They look like they have better shooters and better defenders at this point as well.

He should find a tanker to play on next season as he further rides off into the sunset.  A full season at 7 points per game would take him into the Top 40 scoring of all time.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2018, 11:17:28 am »

I've watched Joe's entire career.  He has lost a few steps.  Sucks because(besides Jordan) he was the only guy I enjoyed watching.  He was a true super star for a good chunk of his career.

LeBaby always wanted to poach him away to team up, but Joe was like nah. lol 

He still has enough talent to get some playing time.  Just last year he led Utah to a first round victory over the Clippers.   but his defense has gone downhill.  Heavy, old legs aren't kind when you are facing young athletic guards. 


Regardless he's a HOF in my book.  His stats are incredible.


As a lifelong Atlanta fan, Joe was never a superstar.  He was a solid NBA All-star at his best but in the second tier like a Rolando Blackman.  He could have been the third-best player on a championship team, maybe second-best if the team was deep enough.  Quite frankly in his prime he disappeared frequently in the postseason, just like he did in the NCAAT.  For the one team in Atlanta that he led to 50+ wins he shot 41% in the playoffs.  If you look at the top-50 in NBA scoring, most accomplished significantly more team success. Certainly never having enough talent around him contributed to that both here and in the NBA, but he also managed his career in the NBA in such a way that ensured that he got his numbers and his contracts at the expense of wins.  Trophies don't keep the bills paid later in life, but he could have gone for a ring when he had more in the tank.  As someone who frequently rooted for teams in which he was the best player, I feel fortunate that he significantly raised the floors on those teams, but not so fortunate as to how he limited the ceilings on those teams.  He just wasn't a player that routinely elevated his game at the most important time of the season.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2018, 12:19:53 pm »

I don't see Joe as a HOF
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2018, 01:01:35 pm »

Rockets were -19 in his 8 minutes last night.

You did watch the game right? It wouldnít of mattered WHO was in for that -19.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2018, 02:56:45 pm »

I don't see Joe as a HOF

What is HOF then?

I mean, you get 4 AS appearances, and your shot at being in the Hall is around 80%.

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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2018, 10:02:11 pm »


As a lifelong Atlanta fan, Joe was never a superstar.  He was a solid NBA All-star at his best but in the second tier like a Rolando Blackman.  He could have been the third-best player on a championship team, maybe second-best if the team was deep enough.  Quite frankly in his prime he disappeared frequently in the postseason, just like he did in the NCAAT.  For the one team in Atlanta that he led to 50+ wins he shot 41% in the playoffs.  If you look at the top-50 in NBA scoring, most accomplished significantly more team success. Certainly never having enough talent around him contributed to that both here and in the NBA, but he also managed his career in the NBA in such a way that ensured that he got his numbers and his contracts at the expense of wins.  Trophies don't keep the bills paid later in life, but he could have gone for a ring when he had more in the tank.  As someone who frequently rooted for teams in which he was the best player, I feel fortunate that he significantly raised the floors on those teams, but not so fortunate as to how he limited the ceilings on those teams.  He just wasn't a player that routinely elevated his game at the most important time of the season.

Kind of hard with the lack of  talent he had around him.  He was routinely double teamed because Joe's teammates couldn't make the right plays.  I can't tell you how many times I pulled my hair out seeing Josh Smith jack up a three off a pass from Joe.  Defense's would slack off Josh and double Joe. 

I think you are right partially, but you have to admit that Joe was keyed on every single game via the double team.  Hard to elevate your game against that.   

And I'm pretty sure he took Atlanta to heights they hadn't seen in years.  Every year Joe was there ATL improved. 
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2018, 10:19:10 pm »

Mike D'antoni has never been known to go deep in his bench.   He's only going to play 7-8 guys.  He puts all his eggs into his main guys and just hopes they outscore the other team.  And it's not happening against the Warriors. 

Now, I will say the Warriors didn't go deep into their bench this game because it was close all the way through but Kerr is definitely not afraid to use his bench and plays a lot of those guys and he trusts them.  There's no reason D'antoni shouldn't be playing Joe Johnson he's still a very capable player and can without a doubt shoot the ball and help stretch the floor.  If Joe was on the Warriors he would have played, he would have got Nick Young's minutes.
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Re: Joe Johnson
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2018, 10:20:18 pm »

Maybe I just havenít watched enough Rockets games, but I donít understand why Tucker gets so many minutes. Joe can easily get some of his.
Tucker is a defensive beast. he plays perimeter defense and interior defense. Only a few guys in the league truly do that. And he knocks down 3s.
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