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EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« on: May 14, 2018, 03:16:48 pm »

Just seeing which position battles people are excited about. Obviously the QB battle will be the most talked about by the media, but are there any others that people think will be the key to our success? Maybe even backup battles that are intriguing such as the backup RB position. Let me know which ones y'all have your eye on.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 03:29:26 pm »

RG - Merrick or Gibson?
WR - Outside of Cornelius I don't have a clue who will be out there
TB - What is the real order? 1A, 1B, 1C?
Backup at both Safety spots - incoming FR or will Montaric Brown grab a 2nd team spot?
Backup at both CB spots - probably will have to be a true FR due to lack of depth
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 07:24:37 pm »

I think the defense is pretty well stratified between clear first team Wes and second stringers so I think the most competition will be on offense.  I expect the OT and WR spots to be wide open and the most dynamic position battle to be at RB because we have a lot of good backs with different skill sets so should be real interesting to see who gets to be the #1 back when the dust settles.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 07:51:34 pm »

Kicker

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 07:59:25 pm »

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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 09:17:19 pm »

Kicker

 Prob gonna be a long year watching this position
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 10:17:19 pm »

Prob gonna be a long year watching this position


I didn’t think Limpert was too bad last year. He went 8/9 with a long of 48.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 10:25:15 pm »

Punter, we need a good one and a few people to push Blake Johnson.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 11:13:12 pm »



I didn’t think Limpert was too bad last year. He went 8/9 with a long of 48.

Check out his kickoffs though and how many went out of bounds. Further, think about the context of his fg's. He had about half the work load of an average kicker, and about 1/3 of the attempts of a heavily utilized kicker.

We basically only attempted a fg under the absolute ideal conditions. Even still, he was an upgrade over Hedlund, but that's not to say that we actually have a good kicker.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 11:23:39 pm »

Besides QB, to answer the OP, I'd have to go with RB.

This offense despite some of the ill-informed narrative, is not an air raid attack. Closer to Auburn's offense than Mike Leach's. So, the running game will be very important.

The Contenders:

Leading the pack is naturally Devwah Whaley. 4* high profile recruit out of HS. Was promising in a reserve role behind RW3 two years ago, last year in the lost season, he had the opportunity to be the top dog but never really took it and was eventually passed by the other back with initials DW. Whaley has good speed, and a n-s running style with little east to west motion. Not a super powerful or agile running, but has good explosion and vision and takes what is there.

Next come the two freshmen from last season. Chase Hayden is the speed back who has a surprising amount of power while Maleek Williams is a true power back with a surprising burst of speed. Injuries forced Maleek to redshirt allowing Chase to briefly shine before injury's too snapped his season short. Chase reminds me a bit of Felix with his skill set while Maleek reminds me a lot of Marcus Lattimore from SC. Whether or not either back lives up to those comparisons is a different story. However, but are exceptionally talented.

The last serious contender for significant playing time is incoming JUCO Boyd. He has some very good speed and some wiggle to him, but he doesn't dance too much. I wouldn't say he has any more skill than the players listed above. However, given his age and experience, could translate that into increased playing time. That said, him not being here in the spring puts him a bit behind the 8-ball there.

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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 11:52:46 pm »

I think the defense is pretty well stratified between clear first team Wes and second stringers so I think the most competition will be on offense.  I expect the OT and WR spots to be wide open and the most dynamic position battle to be at RB because we have a lot of good backs with different skill sets so should be real interesting to see who gets to be the #1 back when the dust settles.

Yeah, I largely agree. Though I think on the OL, center will be an underrated position battle, given that it is the second most important spot on the OL.

On defense, I don't foresee any exciting position battles save for that if there are any new faces, then they must be pretty good to move up and beat out those that are in the two deep now.

At the DL: Agim, Bell, Taylor, and Richardson make for a talented two deep along with quality backups with Porter and 3rd down specialist Ramsey, and that's not mentioning Dorian Gerald joining the fray. Is Nichols or Fulwider break into that lineup or somebody else, then man, watch out. While there is still debate over who will be the starters vs second string and such listed above, the DL rotates enough that it's not a huge distinction. At DT, Capps, Guidry, Smith, Watts, and Marshall make up a formidable grouping with Agim situationally moving inside, likely on passing downs. Agin, who exactly starts is still up for grabs, but with the rotation, it's not so much a competition for playing among those as it is just improving. So, if the young guns end up competing for playing time over the veterans, then we really hit on a star.

At LB: We'll likely mostly only be playing two LB's. Greenlaw and Harris make up the best LB duo since Franklin and Nelson. Besides those two, the only remaining guy we have who has demonstrated on the field stellar play is Grant Morgan. However, pseudo newcomer McClure was one of the best players in the spring game and as a former WR, is extremely athletic. Hayden Henry also had a very productive spring and saw playing time last year. AJB and LaFrance showed a lot of promise out of HS and are coming into their third year while Walker was a bit more of a project, developmental player who has started to make some plays. Munson was listed as a starter for much of the spring in that third, hybrid spot as a guy too slow to be a S and too small to be a pure LB. He'll face competition from Edwards who was a true safety but has put on muscle and is moving to LB. Plus, with all of that, Bumper Pool with such an awesome name (not to mention being a blue chip recruit) has been here all spring. The starters here in Harris and Greenlaw are sewn up. Morgan IMO is the likeliest guy to take the 85th scholarship that Hall freed up given that he's easily our third best LB, though will likely not start at the third spot since he isn't really a nickel/S hybrid. There is some excitement about who will fill in the other backup roles and I'll be surprised if McClure doesn't see significant time.

At DB, Pulley and Ramirez are all-conference level players anchoring the secondary. Curl should have a breakout year at his natural position after performing adequately as a true freshmen corner. Challoway showed flashes last year too and has the recruiting hype to suggest a breakthrough performance in his second year. When we need more of a true nickel, Richardson will likely be that guy. There is a fair amount of uncertainty in the backups though. Brown and Smith are our two most talented backups at S IMO, but we are bringing in some some Curl/Challoway/Curtis/Brown level recruits this year as well. Tutt, Curtis, and McClellion are our top 3 backups IMO at CB, but they too are facing some tough competition from new recruits. Smith is an above average S in terms of physical ability, but not nearly at the same level of guys like Ramirez and Curl and could be passed up if his experience isn't able to compensate against the high levels of athleticism we've brought in. Brown is in a class above Micah, IMO, but definitely the slowest of the top guys, making up for it with being significantly harder hitting than anybody else. At corner, Curtis still reminds me of USC Adoree Jackson and I wouldn't be surprised to see him fielding punts and taking some snaps on offense eventually. McClellion is a notch below Curtis and Calloway, but not too far below and physical ability is only part of the equation. You never know how the mental half will develop. Tutt is a JUCO who is lightning fast but has struggled with consistency and with health. However, you never know when the mental part will click a la Spaight and with his speed, he could be very helpful at DB.

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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2018, 03:00:40 am »

You are forgetting about the freshman safety we brought in that is 6'2 and like 205 or something like that. Had an offer from bama, and was committed to MSU. His names escapes me right now.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2018, 09:10:52 am »

I think WR is the battle I'm most intrigued by. I really want to see those guys take the next step, or at least a couple of them. I think they are a talented group but nobody has really pulled away from the pack. I think Martin and Jones are probably the most talented but Cornelius has the experience. Should be fun to see this play out.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2018, 10:24:30 am »



I didn’t think Limpert was too bad last year. He went 8/9 with a long of 48.

There you go again with the facts. 
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2018, 08:33:30 pm »

You are forgetting about the freshman safety we brought in that is 6'2 and like 205 or something like that. Had an offer from bama, and was committed to MSU. His names escapes me right now.

I forget his name, but I do talk about him above.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2018, 08:53:15 pm »

You are forgetting about the freshman safety we brought in that is 6'2 and like 205 or something like that. Had an offer from bama, and was committed to MSU. His names escapes me right now.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2018, 09:24:46 pm »

Besides QB, to answer the OP, I'd have to go with RB.

This offense despite some of the ill-informed narrative, is not an air raid attack. Closer to Auburn's offense than Mike Leach's. So, the running game will be very important.

The Contenders:

Leading the pack is naturally Devwah Whaley. 4* high profile recruit out of HS. Was promising in a reserve role behind RW3 two years ago, last year in the lost season, he had the opportunity to be the top dog but never really took it and was eventually passed by the other back with initials DW. Whaley has good speed, and a n-s running style with little east to west motion. Not a super powerful or agile running, but has good explosion and vision and takes what is there.

Next come the two freshmen from last season. Chase Hayden is the speed back who has a surprising amount of power while Maleek Williams is a true power back with a surprising burst of speed. Injuries forced Maleek to redshirt allowing Chase to briefly shine before injury's too snapped his season short. Chase reminds me a bit of Felix with his skill set while Maleek reminds me a lot of Marcus Lattimore from SC. Whether or not either back lives up to those comparisons is a different story. However, but are exceptionally talented.

The last serious contender for significant playing time is incoming JUCO Boyd. He has some very good speed and some wiggle to him, but he doesn't dance too much. I wouldn't say he has any more skill than the players listed above. However, given his age and experience, could translate that into increased playing time. That said, him not being here in the spring puts him a bit behind the 8-ball there.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2018, 04:43:17 pm »

Besides QB, to answer the OP, I'd have to go with RB.

This offense despite some of the ill-informed narrative, is not an air raid attack. Closer to Auburn's offense than Mike Leach's. So, the running game will be very important.

The Contenders:

Leading the pack is naturally Devwah Whaley. 4* high profile recruit out of HS. Was promising in a reserve role behind RW3 two years ago, last year in the lost season, he had the opportunity to be the top dog but never really took it and was eventually passed by the other back with initials DW. Whaley has good speed, and a n-s running style with little east to west motion. Not a super powerful or agile running, but has good explosion and vision and takes what is there.

Next come the two freshmen from last season. Chase Hayden is the speed back who has a surprising amount of power while Maleek Williams is a true power back with a surprising burst of speed. Injuries forced Maleek to redshirt allowing Chase to briefly shine before injury's too snapped his season short. Chase reminds me a bit of Felix with his skill set while Maleek reminds me a lot of Marcus Lattimore from SC. Whether or not either back lives up to those comparisons is a different story. However, but are exceptionally talented.

The last serious contender for significant playing time is incoming JUCO Boyd. He has some very good speed and some wiggle to him, but he doesn't dance too much. I wouldn't say he has any more skill than the players listed above. However, given his age and experience, could translate that into increased playing time. That said, him not being here in the spring puts him a bit behind the 8-ball there.

Really enjoyed this little break down. I'd like to read one for every position.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2018, 07:11:34 pm »

Really enjoyed this little break down. I'd like to read one for every position.

Second that
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2018, 10:05:56 pm »

TJ??

I did forget about him, but I don't see him as a pure RB. I think his ideal role is as a Percy Harvin-lite.

I say lite not to diminish TJ Hammond, but just to give Harvin his due credit. Not only was he incredible in college, the guy totaled over 9,000 yards in just 75 career games (averaged right at 122 ypm). However, injuries of course shortened Harvin's career and is something Hammonds too has struggled with.

Further, the problem with a slash player is that they are typically a jack of all but a master of none. If you had a Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Percy Harvin each in their primes, well, you'd rather hand the ball off to AD and throw to Megatron, but you look at Percy and you want to get him the ball too, just that you'd rather feed the other guys. Similarly, I look at our roster, and there are 2-3 backs I'd rather see with 20+ carries a game than Hammonds and 3-4 receivers I'd trust more in the passing game. Yet, like Harvin, I look at Hammonds and think, man that's a guy who would be great to get 5-10 touches a game as well.

But, how do you fit him in with all the other skill players? It can be done, but you need a creative playcaller to do it. Otherwise, you put him in on a handful of plays a game, and the defense is just going to key in on him and the plays won't work. IMO, the trick is not to force it, and with Morris's offense, it opens up a lot of room to do just that. Line him up in the slot. If he has a favorable matchup vs the defense? Just run a regular old pass play and take advantage him in the passing game. Motion him into the backfield and run the read option with Hammonds as the inside guy where he is surprisingly good of a runner. If the defense keys in on him, they'll be keying in on him as an outside runner. Or, line him up at the slot and run a read option sweep with the qb as the inside option. Again, you are using the defense keying in on Hammonds to your advantage. If they do, which they should, that'll free up Cole to pound it up the middle. If they don't, you as the playcaller just found a way to get Hammonds the ball in space and the rest is up to him. Third down? Bring him in as the RB and line up with 4 WR's spread out. If the defense lines up in man, that middle will be open and Hammonds could gash it for a first down. If the defense is in zone, motion Hammonds out wide on a slant pattern or something. He'll have a LB to beat in zone coverage which the slant isn't great at, but still better odds than nothing.

But yeah, in terms of being the RB, I don't think it would be a good idea for the coaches or Hammonds sake to have him carry the ball 20+ times a game. In contrast, Whaley and Maleek I'd both feel confident in doing that and probably also Chase, but that kid needs some more muscle to survive a full season.
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Re: EXCITING POSITION BATTLES
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2018, 10:06:26 pm »

Really enjoyed this little break down. I'd like to read one for every position.

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2018, 02:10:03 pm »

Really enjoyed this little break down. I'd like to read one for every position.

QB:

Cole Kelley is the guy we have most seen play in the actual college game. He has a strong arm, isn't completely a statue though his large frame is a key part of his running ability. Think of a cross between Mallett and Tebow. Better thrower than Tebow, but not as good as Mallett. Better athlete than Mallett but not as good as Tebow. His play wasn't amazing last year, but keep in mind it was during a season where much of the team quit. Further, compare his stats as a redshirt freshmen to similar situations among our other qb's and his play was better.

Ty Storey is his top competition for the starting spot. Storey, if we are making comparisons, is closer to Wilson than Mallett compared to Kelley. Smaller body, weaker arm though still plenty strong, and better thrower on the move than Cole. Storey is also, iirc from coaching interviews, one of the smarter qb's in the room. He suffered from a less than ideal throwing motion early on but has improved that over time. His HS tape was very impressive showing skills you often don't see in HS players. Namely, throwing into really tight windows as his receivers were really bad and got no separation. Still remember a play where a defender was hitting Ty as he was throwing the ball, but he still launched it 30 yards on a rope (never more than 7 feet off the ground or so) and completed it to his receiver, hitting a very small window as the receiver was blanketed. However, while he had the skills to do that, the game in small school arkansas is much slower than in the SEC and he has taken time to adjust. IMO, he has a similar athleticism to Kelley, maybe with a bit more explosion. He's not going to bust a 50 yard run unless there's a massive window, but like Prescott, both Allens, etc... he is mobile enough to do some damage if given the opportunity.

Dualton Hyatt was a raw prospect out of HS. Good arm and good athleticism, but definitely a developmental player. We've only really seen a couple plays in a glorified practice with him, but it would appear that his development is coming along nicely. However, odds are low that he is ready to take on the above two yet.

Connor Noland: Brandon Allen 2.0. Probably not fair to Noland to not let him be his own player, but from his size, to his athleticism, arm strength, accuracy, blazing fast release, he is extremely similar to BA. The hope with him would be imagine having BA without the scarring from the 2012 season. Having the 2015 for a longer period of time.

John Stephens Jones: Like Hyatt is a developmental player. A bit of a risk. He is very undersized for the position and didn't face a lot of competition allowing him to put up large numbers in HS. His arm strength isn't anything to write home about, but at the college level isn't a liability either. He makes up for that by being deadly accurate with his passes, hitting receivers perfectly in stride. His athleticism looks to be about the same as most of the other guys we have, but will need to pack on some muscle if he wants to survive.
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