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HoginMemphis

12/25/78
« on: May 14, 2018, 11:12:20 am »

Why do I beat myself up by watching old games on Youtube like the Fiesta Bowl. Classic Arkansas football. After beating a good Texas Tech team 49-7, 3 weeks later can't score but 10 points against a UCLA team that cannot pass. And even more classic, with one of the better teams Arkansas has ever had, we do not score in the 2nd half after leading 10-0 at halftime. Thomas Brown runs punt back to within FG range for Ordonez on last play of the game but runs out of bounds as the clock goes to 00:00. Needed 1 or 2 more seconds.

Lost two close games that year on back to back weekends vs Houston and Texas, both on the road. Tough year after being on the SI cover as pre-season #1.

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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 11:15:48 am »

Good times, though.

Those losses to Houston and Texas were disappointing but not terrible. They came back-to-back on the road. Texas finished the year 9th.  Houston was 10th, and UCLA was 14th. Arkansas finished 11th at 9-2-1.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 11:16:48 am »

I remember it well.

Add: I think that day was the first time I heard my daddy use the F word.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 11:21:22 am »

I remember being pretty excited going into this game. It was understood that, back then, the Fiesta Bowl was the best bowl after the 4 big ones (with conference ties). And the game was such a disappointment. Is this where we got the Holtz quote "a tie is like kissing your sister"?
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 11:27:04 am »

I remember being pretty excited going into this game. It was understood that, back then, the Fiesta Bowl was the best bowl after the 4 big ones (with conference ties). And the game was such a disappointment. Is this where we got the Holtz quote "a tie is like kissing your sister"?

I believe so,
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 11:29:46 am »

I believe so,

Holtz may have said it, but the saying itself goes back about 25 years to Navy coach Eddie Erdelatz after a 0-0 tie with Duke.

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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 11:33:23 am »

Holtz may have said it, but the saying itself goes back about 25 years to Navy coach Eddie Erdelatz after a 0-0 tie with Duke.



 Probably right. I just remember it playing pretty well in the newspapers at the time. He was probably trying to take the sting out of not winning a ball game we clearly should have won.
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HoginMemphis

Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 11:39:51 am »

Good times, though.
Yeah, first 3 seasons under Holtz were a dream given the last 20 years. 11-1, 9-2-1, and 10-2. Orange, Fiesta and Sugar vs. Okla, UCLA and Alabama. 

But what could have been. Maybe should have been.

7 point loss to Texas at home in '77 for only loss of the year. Ended the season with a great Orange Bowl win over OU and final ranking of #3.

Very close losses to Houston and Texas back to back weekends in '78 for only losses of the year, then the 10-10 tie with UCLA in bowl. Finished 9-2-1 and final ranking of #11.

5-0 and ranked #10, Hogs beat #2 Texas in LR to get to 6-0 and ranking of #4. Lose 13-10 the next weekend at home vs Houston. Close out the regular season with 4 wins to finish 7-1 in SWC but Houston goes to Cotton Bowl. Ranked #6 and play #2 Alabama in Sugar. Never in that game and lose 24-9 and Bama wins the NC and Hogs finish 10-2 and final ranking of #9 in coaches poll and #8 in AP poll.

Great years for Razorback football but either Texas or Houston or both got in our way all 3 years.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 11:40:58 am »

Good times, though.

Those losses to Houston and Texas were disappointing but not terrible. They came back-to-back on the road. Texas finished the year 9th.  Houston was 10th, and UCLA was 14th. Arkansas finished 11th at 9-2-1.
Yeah, 3 of 9 SWC teams finished that year in the top 11. And I think A&M finished in top 20 that year. Folks outside of Ark and Texas forgot how great the SWC was.

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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 11:47:52 am »

Yeah, first 3 seasons under Holtz were a dream given the last 20 years. 11-1, 9-2-1, and 10-2. Orange, Fiesta and Sugar vs. Okla, UCLA and Alabama. 

But what could have been. Maybe should have been.

7 point loss to Texas at home in '77 for only loss of the year. Ended the season with a great Orange Bowl win over OU and final ranking of #3.

Very close losses to Houston and Texas back to back weekends in '78 for only losses of the year, then the 10-10 tie with UCLA in bowl. Finished 9-2-1 and final ranking of #11.

5-0 and ranked #10, Hogs beat #2 Texas in LR to get to 6-0 and ranking of #4. Lose 13-10 the next weekend at home vs Houston. Close out the regular season with 4 wins to finish 7-1 in SWC but Houston goes to Cotton Bowl. Ranked #6 and play #2 Alabama in Sugar. Never in that game and lose 24-9 and Bama wins the NC and Hogs finish 10-2 and final ranking of #9 in coaches poll and #8 in AP poll.

Great years for Razorback football but either Texas or Houston or both got in our way all 3 years.

Houston is an underrated football program but underachieves, too, given the size of the recruiting base. The problem seems to be lack of fan support.  Lots of “nontraditional” students.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 12:03:50 pm »

Yeah, first 3 seasons under Holtz were a dream given the last 20 years. 11-1, 9-2-1, and 10-2. Orange, Fiesta and Sugar vs. Okla, UCLA and Alabama. 

But what could have been. Maybe should have been.

7 point loss to Texas at home in '77 for only loss of the year. Ended the season with a great Orange Bowl win over OU and final ranking of #3.

Very close losses to Houston and Texas back to back weekends in '78 for only losses of the year, then the 10-10 tie with UCLA in bowl. Finished 9-2-1 and final ranking of #11.

5-0 and ranked #10, Hogs beat #2 Texas in LR to get to 6-0 and ranking of #4. Lose 13-10 the next weekend at home vs Houston. Close out the regular season with 4 wins to finish 7-1 in SWC but Houston goes to Cotton Bowl. Ranked #6 and play #2 Alabama in Sugar. Never in that game and lose 24-9 and Bama wins the NC and Hogs finish 10-2 and final ranking of #9 in coaches poll and #8 in AP poll.

Great years for Razorback football but either Texas or Houston or both got in our way all 3 years.

4 pt loss to Texas in 77.  9-13
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 12:04:13 pm »

Houston is an underrated football program but underachieves, too, given the size of the recruiting base. The problem seems to be lack of fan support.  Lots of “nontraditional” students.
I went to several of those games down there during that era.You are correct. I don't have any proof but at the stadium(astrodome) there appeared to be more hog fans than Houston fans. The stands were empty. There may have been 12-15 thousand people there and the one I remember the most was a 10-10- tie maybe? Gary Anderson? Any way that was 2 great football teams. I was amazed by the lack of attendance.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 12:05:01 pm »

Yeah, first 3 seasons under Holtz were a dream given the last 20 years. 11-1, 9-2-1, and 10-2. Orange, Fiesta and Sugar vs. Okla, UCLA and Alabama. 

But what could have been. Maybe should have been.

7 point loss to Texas at home in '77 for only loss of the year. Ended the season with a great Orange Bowl win over OU and final ranking of #3.

Very close losses to Houston and Texas back to back weekends in '78 for only losses of the year, then the 10-10 tie with UCLA in bowl. Finished 9-2-1 and final ranking of #11.

5-0 and ranked #10, Hogs beat #2 Texas in LR to get to 6-0 and ranking of #4. Lose 13-10 the next weekend at home vs Houston. Close out the regular season with 4 wins to finish 7-1 in SWC but Houston goes to Cotton Bowl. Ranked #6 and play #2 Alabama in Sugar. Never in that game and lose 24-9 and Bama wins the NC and Hogs finish 10-2 and final ranking of #9 in coaches poll and #8 in AP poll.

Great years for Razorback football but either Texas or Houston or both got in our way all 3 years.

Yeah, Lou's Hogs were good those first 3 years but once Frank's players left the program, it began to decline. That happened to Lou every where he went. Lou was a great field and Game day coach but he was a poor recruiter.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2018, 12:29:55 pm »

Yeah, Lou's Hogs were good those first 3 years but once Frank's players left the program, it began to decline. That happened to Lou every where he went. Lou was a great field and Game day coach but he was a poor recruiter.

He recruited me.....smart dude, he was. Until he got fired.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2018, 12:42:28 pm »

Yeah, 3 of 9 SWC teams finished that year in the top 11. And I think A&M finished in top 20 that year. Folks outside of Ark and Texas forgot how great the SWC was.
Everyone forgot because of how horrible it was at the end... The visiting team was practically guaranteed a Cotton Bowl win in the late 80's and early 90's...
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2018, 12:44:13 pm »

Yeah, 3 of 9 SWC teams finished that year in the top 11. And I think A&M finished in top 20 that year. Folks outside of Ark and Texas forgot how great the SWC was.

Yeah. It's sad that so many people have forgotten that the old SWC was a power to be reckoned with back in the day.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2018, 01:51:06 pm »

Yeah. It's sad that so many people have forgotten that the old SWC was a power to be reckoned with back in the day.

Forgotten?  Many here flatly deny it. 
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2018, 02:11:37 pm »

I went to several of those games down there during that era.You are correct. I don't have any proof but at the stadium(astrodome) there appeared to be more hog fans than Houston fans. The stands were empty. There may have been 12-15 thousand people there and the one I remember the most was a 10-10- tie maybe? Gary Anderson? Any way that was 2 great football teams. I was amazed by the lack of attendance.

Don't see a 10-10 tie listed here.


http://www.hogdb.com/db/opponents/41/Houston-series/
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2018, 03:55:22 pm »

4 pt loss to Texas in 77.  9-13
My memory acting up again. I thought final score, strictly from my memory, was 13-6.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2018, 03:58:35 pm »

My memory acting up again. I thought final score, strictly from my memory, was 13-6.

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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2018, 04:03:15 pm »

Lots of “nontraditional” students.

That's one way of putting it.  Remember when a Cotton Bowl official got in trouble for saying how the City of Dallas hated having Cougar High as the host team?

"Half their fans will be eating dinner in a 7-Eleven.  The other half will be trying to rob it."
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2018, 04:23:54 pm »

That's one way of putting it.  Remember when a Cotton Bowl official got in trouble for saying how the City of Dallas hated having Cougar High as the host team?

"Half their fans will be eating dinner in a 7-Eleven.  The other half will be trying to rob it."

Ouch
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2018, 06:45:21 pm »

That's one way of putting it.  Remember when a Cotton Bowl official got in trouble for saying how the City of Dallas hated having Cougar High as the host team?

"Half their fans will be eating dinner in a 7-Eleven.  The other half will be trying to rob it."
I think that's hilarious but if someone said that now it would be all over social media and they would be fired and banished for life in today's PC world. 
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2018, 09:50:01 pm »

I think that's hilarious but if someone said that now it would be all over social media and they would be fired and banished for life in today's PC world. 

It's really not funny if you think about it.  One of my favorite books is "Politically Correct Bedtime Stories". PC can be annoying, but racism is poisonous and should never be tolerated in leadership.

I meant that Houston is a commuter school.  Like UALR, it doesn't have a large resident student population to wander around campus looking for something to do, like drink mass quantities and catch a game.  Consequently, it doesn't have a large alumni base looking to relive their college days doing the same thing.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2018, 08:06:53 am »

The SWC was loaded in the 1970's and we should have won at least one NC during that decade.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2018, 07:00:06 pm »

Don't see a 10-10 tie listed here.


http://www.hogdb.com/db/opponents/41/Houston-series/

Your right. Memory failed me again. I was a game at Houston though and those attendance numbers are greatly exaggerated. You could walk wherever you wanted and sit on the 50 if you wanted. Srry bout the score snafu.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2018, 12:34:34 pm »

My memory acting up again. I thought final score, strictly from my memory, was 13-6.

I think that was the Horns-Sooners score from the week before our game.
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Re: 12/25/78
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2018, 01:13:03 pm »

Houston is an underrated football program but underachieves, too, given the size of the recruiting base. The problem seems to be lack of fan support.  Lots of “nontraditional” students.

I live in the Houston area now and UH probably has the fourth strongest alumni association in the region, at least from what I have seen.  A&M would be #1 with the Horns at #2.  LSU appears to be #3.  Arkansas might well be #5, I've run into quite a few fellow Razorbacks here.
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