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nlrwildcat1

Sportsbooking
« on: May 14, 2018, 09:31:44 am »

Well the supreme court struck down the federal law  on sportsbook allowing now for states to decide if they want it.

My question is how long before the state let's oaklawn control it too?

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Sports Gambling (Warning Offseason Topic)
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 09:33:14 am »

The Supreme Court just ruled 7-2 in favor of overturning the federal anti sports gambling law.  Sports betting immediately legal nationally.  Governed at the state's discretion.  I'll bet they are breaking ground on sportsbook Oaklawn as we speak.

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 09:33:45 am »

I beat you by 30 seconds...lol
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 10:24:16 am »

I am sure Oaklawn will find a way to block any competition.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 10:42:22 am »

I am sure Oaklawn will find a way to block any competition.

What would a sports gambling website or app do differently to compete with Oaklawn anyway? Have a smaller fee for withdrawing winnings?

While I'm all for open markets, I don't really understand how that applies to sports gambling. It's not like comparing prices on a product at Wal-Mart vs. Amazon. You bet whatever amount you want to bet on whatever game/spread/future/prop/line you want to bet on.

Apart from withdrawal or deposit fees, I don't see how competition would really matter.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 10:50:36 am »

What would a sports gambling website or app do differently to compete with Oaklawn anyway? Have a smaller fee for withdrawing winnings?

While I'm all for open markets, I don't really understand how that applies to sports gambling. It's not like comparing prices on a product at Wal-Mart vs. Amazon. You bet whatever amount you want to bet on whatever game/spread/future/prop/line you want to bet on.

Apart from withdrawal or deposit fees, I don't see how competition would really matter.
It's call "juice" or "vig".  Only so much money is going to be gambled.   You want to share the profits with me? or can I have them all to myself?
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 10:51:45 am »

Different lines would be one way
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 10:58:39 am »

The state could easily make sports gambling illegal and give Oaklawn some sort of exemption.  Just as if you wanted to start a horse track in Scott, Ar...
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 11:00:51 am »

It's call "juice" or "vig".  Only so much money is going to be gambled.   You want to share the profits with me? or can I have them all to myself?

I highly, highly doubt a challenger to Oaklawn would have a vastly different vigorish percentage. If they do, good luck to them.
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HogPharmer

Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 11:01:40 am »

The state had to give approval to open a friggin Dave and Buster's in Little Rock. I took my daughter to Chuck E. Cheese last week and there's honestly no difference between the two... Except one has a really cool rat with some awesome dance moves.


I don't see them allowing any other casino's or gambling sources anytime soon.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 11:03:50 am »

back in the 80s when there was an actual vote statewide on having casinos  it was Oaklawn and the Baptists who were putting up the money to fight them.  When (the next year) moved to Vegas guess what--- the Baptists were having their national or at least a very big convention there.  A friend of mine said you should hear those people praise the lord  (when they hit 3 7s on the machines)    So now that I have left the state they have legalized some pot and next sports betting   wow wish I would have known that before I left the continent

nlrwildcat1

Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 11:08:47 am »

Dave and busters could have started in little rock but the fine people let them go.

And hey I grew up in Scott, Ar maybe i wanna open a horse track lol
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 11:20:24 am »

The black market that already exists, and has existed for decades, will be the competition anyone needs to worry about.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2018, 11:22:07 am »

For us on the west side, how long before Choctaw/Cherokee get involved? Can they? Will They? I have no doubt in my mind that it will never be established in Arkansas. If it is it will be as someone already said, controlled by Oaklawn.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2018, 12:01:06 pm »

For us on the west side, how long before Choctaw/Cherokee get involved? Can they? Will They? I have no doubt in my mind that it will never be established in Arkansas. If it is it will be as someone already said, controlled by Oaklawn.

The tribal casinos spent considerable money making sure sports gaming bills got struck down in Oklahoma. Oklahoma has tried twice to pass bills and both times it was either defeated or the sports gambling language of a larger gaming bill was removed.

Missouri has already passed a sports gambling bill in anticipation of the supreme court striking the law down,
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2018, 01:11:22 pm »

The tribal casinos spent considerable money making sure sports gaming bills got struck down in Oklahoma. Oklahoma has tried twice to pass bills and both times it was either defeated or the sports gambling language of a larger gaming bill was removed.

Missouri has already passed a sports gambling bill in anticipation of the supreme court striking the law down,


Mississippi has too, they'll have sports books ready in 45 days.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2018, 01:48:55 pm »

Dave and busters could have started in little rock but the fine people let them go.

And hey I grew up in Scott, Ar maybe i wanna open a horse track lol

I think someone beat you to it
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2018, 01:51:00 pm »

Mississippi has too, they'll have sports books ready in 45 days.

I can't believe anyone would be against this, but I guess it's the same principle with dry counties. If you want to lose out on all that tax money go ahead, but a lot of other states will happily take it.
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SemperHawg

Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2018, 04:07:32 pm »

Mississippi has too, they'll have sports books ready in 45 days.
You know how many people there are in Vegas asking "what the hell is in North Mississippi?"
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2018, 04:22:35 pm »

You know how many people there are in Vegas asking "what the hell is in North Mississippi?"

Tunica, MS: The only place you can shoot craps and ducks within 100 yards of each other
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2018, 04:32:05 pm »

Tunica, MS: The only place you can shoot craps and ducks within 100 yards of each other

...and birdies.  ;-)
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HogPharmer

Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2018, 04:44:19 pm »

...and birdies.  ;-)

If you mean bogies, then yes, I could get on board with that as well
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2018, 04:45:50 pm »

Tunica, MS: The only place you can shoot craps and ducks within 100 yards of each other

We call those non-Mallards, scrap ducks, not crap ducks.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2018, 05:05:10 pm »

We call those non-Mallards, scrap ducks, not crap ducks.

I call them bonus birds...
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2018, 05:05:44 pm »

We call those non-Mallards, scrap ducks, not crap ducks.

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2018, 05:31:52 pm »

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Murphy vs. NCAA and New Jersey Thoroughbred Horseman's Association vs. NCAA: the court ruled in favor of New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy and the NJTHA and overturned the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act of 1992. The NCAA, the NBA and other sports organizations had been instrumental in the implementation of the law (known as PASPA), which argued that sports gambling's "harms it inflicts are felt beyond the borders of those states that sanction it."
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2018, 05:40:39 pm »

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It's like alcohol, marijuana, or any other "vice".  Most not worth the trouble outlawing them because people are going to find a way.  So better to regulate it, tax it, and control it.  Prohibition was a failure, but consider the crime that arose from illegal alcohol manufacturing and sales.  Vegas was against it nationally purely for competition sake.  Many have argued that legalizing actually cuts down on things like meddling/paying/threatening to fix outcomes because the legalized/regulated industry does a very good job of monitoring and investigating unusual swings in volume. 

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2018, 06:37:22 pm »

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2018, 07:30:08 pm »

The Tribes from Oklahoma are currently doing a victory dance. Architects, Engineers and Construction company owners are invited.

^^^^^

A client of mine for the tribes was giddy this morning over the prospects.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2018, 07:47:38 pm »

The Tribes from Oklahoma are currently doing a victory dance. Architects, Engineers and Construction company owners are invited.
^^^^^

A client of mine for the tribes was giddy this morning over the prospects.

The tribes of Oklahoma were in strong opposition to the two previous bills entered into legislation in Oklahoma to allow sports wagering. What changed in the last several months??
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2018, 08:22:46 pm »

The tribes of Oklahoma were in strong opposition to the two previous bills entered into legislation in Oklahoma to allow sports wagering. What changed in the last several months??

Doesn't sound that way to me. This is from last August.

The story in Oklahoma for sports betting

Oklahoma Rep. Jon Echols said his office “worked very close with the Chickasaw and Choctaws” in drafting legislation session that would have given Gov. Mary Fallin authority to negotiate sports betting amendments to state compacts in the event PASPA is lifted.

Echols said tribes also hope to introduce craps and roulette to the casino floors, games allowed in neighboring Kansas and Louisiana.

“We’re keeping that pretty close to the vest,” Sheila Morago, executive director of the Oklahoma Indian Gaming Association, said of tribal strategy about sports betting.

Tribes can introduce sports betting as a compacted game under IGRA if the PASPA prohibition is lifted, even if state officials don’t pursue sports wagering.

“If the state opts out, that shouldn’t preclude tribes from opting in,” Morago said. “We want to make sure the tribes have the opportunity to do what they want to do. That’s the important thing.”

Tribes under IGRA can request a state to enter into good faith negotiations on a compact to engage in sports betting. Tribes are precluded by a federal court ruling from suing states to negotiate an agreement. But they can seek a compact through secretarial procedures invoked by the Department of Interior, a political strategy likely to end up in court.



https://www.legalsportsreport.com/14890/tribes-sports-betting-and-federal-law/

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2018, 08:24:07 pm »

From today....

The CEO of the Muscogee Creek Nation Casinos, said today: "Obviously, we're encouraged, but it's very early right now. We think this will pave the way for responsible and legalized sports betting around the country and particularly here in Oklahoma, but for us to go forward the state has to pass legislation."

The COO for theCherokee Nation Entertainment, offered a similar opinion:

"While this is a win for tribes and states, the legal framework still needs to be established in Oklahoma and other states," Fulton said. "This begins paving the way for the industry to be regulated, and we look forward to working with the state of Oklahoma on how to implement sports betting in a way that's positive for all parties."
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2018, 08:52:19 pm »

maybe we could pay the players a cut when they win.  don't get payed when they lose.

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2018, 06:30:26 am »

Arkansas as usual will be the last one to figure this out.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2018, 08:20:25 am »

How will this impact being able to use online services? Will you have to use one based in the state you live in? Will you only be able to wager in a brick and mortar sportsbook?
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2018, 09:07:54 am »

Arkansas as usual will be the last one to figure this out.

at times, that isn't a bad thing. ;)
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2018, 09:36:31 am »

How will this impact being able to use online services? Will you have to use one based in the state you live in? Will you only be able to wager in a brick and mortar sportsbook?
All that is up in the air. Some states will no doubt allow brick and mortar and apps, but the question remains whether a person from another state can access the apps. For example, you can't use the Oaklawn Anywhere app when you are not in Arkansas.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2018, 09:37:19 am »

I can't believe anyone would be against this, but I guess it's the same principle with dry counties. If you want to lose out on all that tax money go ahead, but a lot of other states will happily take it.

I agree, but I don't see any reason to give sportsbook monopolies to Garland County and Crittenden County.  If we're going to have sportsbooks, then each county in the state should have an equal opportunity to decide whether they want them or not.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2018, 09:46:23 am »

How will this impact being able to use online services? Will you have to use one based in the state you live in? Will you only be able to wager in a brick and mortar sportsbook?

My guess is Yes (like alcohol sales) and no following the Nevada platform
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Re: Sports Gambling (Warning Offseason Topic)
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2018, 10:05:13 am »

This is going to open a can of worms for sure.
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2018, 10:29:10 am »

I agree, but I don't see any reason to give sportsbook monopolies to Garland County and Crittenden County.  If we're going to have sportsbooks, then each county in the state should have an equal opportunity to decide whether they want them or not.

You did read the ADG today to see who the largest contributors to Gov. Hutchinson's campaign were this race?
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2018, 10:45:40 am »

Come on Kansas and Missouri!!!!!
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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2018, 11:04:16 am »

Come on Kansas and Missouri!!!!!

It looks like Missouri is going to get held up until the next session due to the Governors trial and Attorney General issues.

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2018, 03:31:45 pm »

Fan Duel going to be back in the Black!

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Re: Sportsbooking
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2018, 03:33:54 pm »

It looks like Missouri is going to get held up until the next session due to the Governors trial and Attorney General issues.

Still Looking for the mysterious picture..   ;)
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