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Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« on: April 18, 2018, 11:47:07 pm »

Only five folks....

Hereís mine...

1. Frank Broyles (coached the Hogs to their only NC and wore the Hogs on his forearm)
2. Lou Holtz (best year one record of all Hog coaches and coached Hogs to what should have been their second NC)
3. Bobby Petrino (no personality and no morals, but he could flat out coach..)
4. Kenny Hatfield (best winning record of all Hog coaches)
5. ??? Still thinking on #5....(and it sure as hell isnít HDN)

Your thoughts???...
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 12:56:12 am »

5 would at least would be Hugo Bezdek  as he coached the only other unbeaten team in school
history, 9=0 in 1909 and should have been recognized by a few pollsters as No. # 1 that
year (although I'm not sure there was more than one ratings service back then?)
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 01:16:17 am »

1) JFB- is there really any need to explain why ?

2) Petrino- an absolute football genius and a better recruiter than he got credit for being; oh, and he led the UA to it's one and only BCS/Playoff game: should still be here

3) Holtz- took Frank Broyles recruits from 1976 (5-5-1) and turned them into a legitimate national contender in Lou's first year here....11-1 with a blowout of OU in Orange Bowl pretty much says it all.

4)Ken Hatfield- won back to back SWC championships but the SWC was very mediocre in the mid to late 80's...still, Hatfield won a lot of football games for his alma mater

5)Chad Morris- unproven pick, yes I know but I do think he's been dealt a much better hand from our 'half ton' coach who was a nice guy but just was in way over his head in the ultra-tough SEC...Morris will surprise a lot of people when we go 8-4 this season....there's more talent on The Hill than last year's record shows when the players basically quit on Bielema
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 04:21:52 am »



5)Chad Morris- unproven pick, yes I know but I do think he's been dealt a much better hand from our 'half ton' coach who was a nice guy but just was in way over his head in the ultra-tough SEC...Morris will surprise a lot of people when we go 8-4 this season....there's more talent on The Hill than last year's record shows when the players basically quit on Bielema
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 06:19:41 am »

Only five folks....

Hereís mine...

1. Frank Broyles (coached the Hogs to their only NC and wore the Hogs on his forearm)
2. Lou Holtz (best year one record of all Hog coaches and coached Hogs to what should have been their second NC)
3. Bobby Petrino (no personality and no morals, but he could flat out coach..)
4. Kenny Hatfield (best winning record of all Hog coaches)
5. ??? Still thinking on #5....(and it sure as hell isnít HDN)


Your thoughts???...

HDN has 2 SEC championship game appearances and was the last coach to be in one. Like him or not (personally I think it's silly how much posters on hogville hate him) he was a good coach. Also, he averaged 1 less win than Petrino during the 11 game seasons and Petrino coached during the 12 game seasons. He also coached us to some upsets. I am trying to recall if Petrino ever beat someone that was favored over him and cannot.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2018, 08:22:47 am »

Only five folks....

Hereís mine...

1. Frank Broyles (coached the Hogs to their only NC and wore the Hogs on his forearm)
2. Lou Holtz (best year one record of all Hog coaches and coached Hogs to what should have been their second NC)
3. Bobby Petrino (no personality and no morals, but he could flat out coach..)
4. Kenny Hatfield (best winning record of all Hog coaches)
5. ??? Still thinking on #5....(and it sure as hell isnít HDN)

Your thoughts???...
You can love him or hate him but HDN belongs on this list. Went to Atlanta twice, gotta put him up there.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2018, 08:45:18 am »

1. Broyles
2. Petrino
3. Hatfield
4. Holtz
5. Nutt

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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 09:16:30 am »

Can't stand Nutt but he has the second most wins in school history and that's a history that goes back over 100 years.  And he had a 61% winning percentage over 10 years.  He has to be on the list or there really is no reason to spend any time on this exercise.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2018, 11:37:36 am »

bowden wyatt has to have some consideration in there.. altho for a short tenure
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2018, 11:41:42 am »

Holtz>Petrino any which way you slice it
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2018, 11:42:36 am »

bowden wyatt has to have some consideration in there.. altho for a short tenure

Danny Ford, too. The guy won a national championship for cryin' out loud!
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018, 11:45:18 am »

Danny Ford, too. The guy won a national championship for cryin' out loud!
We're not measuring their entire careers though, just what they did at Arkansas.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2018, 11:46:54 am »

We're not measuring their entire careers though, just what they did at Arkansas.

Thanks. I was not aware.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2018, 03:37:14 pm »

Broyles
Holtz
Hatfield
Nutt
Petrino
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2018, 07:22:36 pm »

1) JFB- is there really any need to explain why ?

2) Petrino- an absolute football genius and a better recruiter than he got credit for being; oh, and he led the UA to it's one and only BCS/Playoff game: should still be here

3) Holtz- took Frank Broyles recruits from 1976 (5-5-1) and turned them into a legitimate national contender in Lou's first year here....11-1 with a blowout of OU in Orange Bowl pretty much says it all.

4)Ken Hatfield- won back to back SWC championships but the SWC was very mediocre in the mid to late 80's...still, Hatfield won a lot of football games for his alma mater

5)Chad Morris- unproven pick, yes I know but I do think he's been dealt a much better hand from our 'half ton' coach who was a nice guy but just was in way over his head in the ultra-tough SEC...Morris will surprise a lot of people when we go 8-4 this season....there's more talent on The Hill than last year's record shows when the players basically quit on Bielema

This is spot on and you nailed it!!  GO HOGS!
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2018, 08:15:29 pm »

Like it or not, Nutt won a lot of games here.....75 or thereabouts. It probably should have been close to 100 but.....
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2018, 09:19:20 pm »

Nutt was so much better than we thought..don't know if we will ever be deep enough..but he always had speed and some  playmakers on both sides of the ball...like him or not he has to be in the top 5..
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2018, 09:53:59 pm »

Broyles
Holtz
Petrino
Hatfield
Nutt

Top 5 Razorback Coaches
Jimmy Johnson
Joe Gibbs
Barry Switzer
Frank Broyles
Lou Holtz (Unless you count GA's then Pete Carroll)
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2018, 10:10:10 pm »

1. Broyles
2. Holtz
3. Petrino
4. Hatfield
5. Ford/Nutt

If Ford had not left Nutt loaded I donít think Nutt would have lasted long. Plus Ford also went to Atlanta.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2018, 07:59:39 am »

1. Nobody
2. Died
3. When
4. Bobby
5. Lied

P-E-T-R-I-N-O
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2018, 10:14:24 am »

Nutt was an excellent motivator.
His playcalling was atrocious and predictable.
I didn't like him, but he wasn't an awful coach.
I'd take Nutt over Bielema.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2018, 10:27:24 am »

I am trying to recall if Petrino ever beat someone that was favored over him and cannot.

First year - LSU and Auburn
Second - Can't think of any but would have beat FL if the refs had called a decent game
Third and fourth year - There weren't enough games where we weren't favored to apply this metric.  Not enough of a sample size.  We beat the teams we were suppose to and lost to the ones we were suppose to.

I don't understand this argument that HDN was a good coach because "he beat teams he wasn't suppose to."  If he were putting a good teams on the field, he wouldn't be in that position to do this.

Name off how many times  Saban beat someone that was favored over him.  You really can't, because he's always favored.

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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2018, 01:05:19 pm »

First year - LSU and Auburn
Second - Can't think of any but would have beat FL if the refs had called a decent game
Third and fourth year - There weren't enough games where we weren't favored to apply this metric.  Not enough of a sample size.  We beat the teams we were suppose to and lost to the ones we were suppose to.

I don't understand this argument that HDN was a good coach because "he beat teams he wasn't suppose to."  If he were putting a good teams on the field, he wouldn't be in that position to do this.

Name off how many times  Saban beat someone that was favored over him.  You really can't, because he's always favored.

He put enough good teams on the field to make it to Atlanta twice.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2018, 02:19:57 pm »

He put enough good teams on the field to make it to Atlanta twice.

So you do know that we only went his first time because Bama was ineligible, and we got embarrassed by Georgia in the game, don't you?  The fact we made it to Atlanta, and only played in the Music City Bowl that year (losing to Minnesota) should tell you we weren't a very good team.

Do you really want to use 2006 and all the BS that happened that season as proof HDN is a good coach? 

Bottom line is we went into a good number of football games under Nutt as the underdog.  That happens enough times you are going to "beat teams he wasn't suppose to."  I seriously doubt that if we pulled the data for the number of games we weren't favored, and compared it to the number of those games he won, it wouldn't paint the picture you want it too.

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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2018, 02:23:52 pm »

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Second - Can't think of any but would have beat FL if the refs had called a decent game...


there are always going to games when your team is playing the ref's too.  the way to overcome that disadvantage is to score more points.   bottom line: let's stop making excuses (btw, Marc Curles stinks as a white hat)
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2018, 02:48:41 pm »

there are always going to games when your team is playing the ref's too.  the way to overcome that disadvantage is to score more points.   bottom line: let's stop making excuses (btw, Marc Curles stinks as a white hat)

Normally I would agree with what you say here.  I hate when people are constantly blaming the refs.

In this particular instance though, it's warranted.  The fact that the refs were suspended for calling such a bad game kinda backs that up...
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2018, 03:15:26 pm »

So you do know that we only went his first time because Bama was ineligible, and we got embarrassed by Georgia in the game, don't you?  The fact we made it to Atlanta, and only played in the Music City Bowl that year (losing to Minnesota) should tell you we weren't a very good team.

Do you really want to use 2006 and all the BS that happened that season as proof HDN is a good coach? 

Bottom line is we went into a good number of football games under Nutt as the underdog.  That happens enough times you are going to "beat teams he wasn't suppose to."  I seriously doubt that if we pulled the data for the number of games we weren't favored, and compared it to the number of those games he won, it wouldn't paint the picture you want it too.

In time no one cares about the season or any of that. Eventually, all that stuff doesn't matter, just the knowledge of making it to Atlanta. Much like no one really remembers how good or bad the teams were we beat in 1964, just that we won the national title.
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2018, 03:42:11 pm »

I miss the karma button

I'll leave their inclusion or exclusion to the top 5 to y'all, but I don't think there is much question 2 of the Hogs' last 3 coaches (not counting the Smiling interim) are likely the most polarizing of all time, and the 3rd ain't far behind.

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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2018, 03:51:35 pm »

In time no one cares about the season or any of that. Eventually, all that stuff doesn't matter, just the knowledge of making it to Atlanta. Much like no one really remembers how good or bad the teams were we beat in 1964, just that we won the national title.

Not true.  There's a reason people don't talk about the 2002 season as a great season.  Because most people realize it wasn't, despite playing in the SECCG.

Really the only people that talk about it are the ones trying to defend Nutt as a good coach.  There isn't a large amount of people who do that...
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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2018, 05:03:02 pm »

Nutt was an excellent motivator.
His playcalling was atrocious and predictable.
I didn't like him, but he wasn't an awful coach.
I'd take Nutt over Bielema.

Iíd take Barry Switzer over most of these....  probably Jimmy Johnson over most as well....    I definitely wish Holtz could have hung around a bit/much longer....
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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2018, 05:29:38 pm »

1)Broyles
2)Petrino
3)Holtz
4)Nutt
5)Hatfield
6)Ford
7)Bielema

Close call between Petrino and Holtz.
Close call between Nutt and Hatfield. I gave edge to Nutt because he was coaching in the SEC.
Close call between Ford and Bielema. Both did some good things, but also looked in disarray half the time.
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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2018, 05:37:55 pm »

1)Broyles
2)Petrino
3)Holtz
4)Nutt
5)Hatfield
6)Ford
7)Bielema

Close call between Petrino and Holtz.
Close call between Nutt and Hatfield. I gave edge to Nutt because he was coaching in the SEC.
Close call between Ford and Bielema. Both did some good things, but also looked in disarray half the time.

How can you put Bielema above JLS? JLS proved that you can win 4 games in a season while being bat sh*t crazy.... Bielema didn't have an excuse other than being flat out lazy.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2018, 05:59:52 pm »

Broyles
Holtz
Hatfield
Petrino
Nutt
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2018, 02:28:55 pm »

1. Broyles
2. Hatfield
3. Petrino
4. Holtz
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« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2018, 03:10:48 pm »

Broyles
Holtz
Hatfield
Nutt
Petrino

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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2018, 03:14:15 pm »

1)Broyles
2)Petrino
3)Holtz
4)Nutt
5)Hatfield
6)Ford
7)Bielema

Close call between Petrino and Holtz.
Close call between Nutt and Hatfield. I gave edge to Nutt because he was coaching in the SEC.
Close call between Ford and Bielema. Both did some good things, but also looked in disarray half the time.

No itís not. Holtz was better than BP. CLH 60-21-2 at UA with 6 straight bowls. BP 34-17 with 3 straight bowls but.....google Bobby Petrino and whatís the first picture you see? Embarrassing for the state and program.
Hatfield better than Nutt! Hatfield was 55-17-1 and 36-10 in SWC play, with 2 straight Cotton Bowl appearances. CHN 75-48 albeit in a tougher SEC.
Ford better than CBB. Ford 26-30-1 with one SECC game and a better recruiter as he left CHN the recruits that led to his early success at UA.
CBB....just bad!


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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2018, 03:29:10 pm »

No itís not. Holtz was better than BP
Hatfield better than Nutt!
Ford better than CBB





I'd agree with those assessments, especially the last one.  BB's SEC record is worse than Ford's.  Ford arrived at a time when we were struggling just to get up to snuff in the SEC.  BB started 0-13 in conference and finished 1-7 and was dangerously close to 0-8.  Bret had much better facilities, more resources, an established history in the SEC and took over a team 1 season removed from an 11 win season.  Ford left Nutt a team that got to 9 wins.  BB left Chad Morris a team that fans will be glad to see get to 6.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2018, 09:09:25 am »

1. Bielema
2. John L Smith
3+ Everybody else
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2018, 09:34:25 am »

There needs to be a mitigating factor to be blended with pure W/L record.

The "I hurt the school and/or program while I was here" mitigating factor. Also, are we talking modern (say...since WW2) coaches? Because a couple of guys in the past had great winning percentages but werent here very long.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arkansas_Razorbacks_head_football_coaches

Hatfield's w/l is top od the heap. Followed by Holtz, Broyles, Petrino & Nutt in the modern era.. In that order.

A couple old timers have better or equal percentages than the bottom three.

Every other "argument " is subjective. For instance, I personally think Petrino & Nutt hurt us as much as they helped us. Others think differently.

Instead of "top five"... I personally would go with "top three" and list everyone else as "also ran".

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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2018, 10:47:59 am »

There needs to be a mitigating factor to be blended with pure W/L record.

The "I hurt the school and/or program while I was here" mitigating factor. Also, are we talking modern (say...since WW2) coaches? Because a couple of guys in the past had great winning percentages but werent here very long.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arkansas_Razorbacks_head_football_coaches

Hatfield's w/l is top od the heap. Followed by Holtz, Broyles, Petrino & Nutt in the modern era.. In that order.

A couple old timers have better or equal percentages than the bottom three.

Every other "argument " is subjective. For instance, I personally think Petrino & Nutt hurt us as much as they helped us. Others think differently.

Instead of "top five"... I personally would go with "top three" and list everyone else as "also ran".
I agree on the inclusion of a factor measuring where coaches left our program. But, I mitigate this factor with where did these coaches land.  In my mind, Lou Holtz left here and moved on to successful jobs and retire as an ESPN commentator.  Positives.  Nutt landed Ole Miss job but somehow with all of the multiple job openings over the same time period, no program has hired him.  And lest we all forget, Nutt had a mistress issue at the end of his tenure here, texting her before bowl game.  Petrino despite his personal issues continues to be sought after and perceived as brilliant football mind.  Louisville took the chance on him for an encore performance tells me something about his coaching talent.

That being said I believe this listing has to be subjective just because none of us have the same priority on criteria for inclusion with different emphasis on each.  So, my top five would be

1.  Broyles
2.  Holtz
3.  Petrino
4.  Hatfield
5.  Hugo
6.  Ford/Nutt toss up. 
 
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« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2018, 10:57:19 am »

There needs to be a mitigating factor to be blended with pure W/L record.

The "I hurt the school and/or program while I was here" mitigating factor. Also, are we talking modern (say...since WW2) coaches? Because a couple of guys in the past had great winning percentages but werent here very long.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arkansas_Razorbacks_head_football_coaches

Hatfield's w/l is top od the heap. Followed by Holtz, Broyles, Petrino & Nutt in the modern era.. In that order.

A couple old timers have better or equal percentages than the bottom three.

Every other "argument " is subjective. For instance, I personally think Petrino & Nutt hurt us as much as they helped us. Others think differently.

Instead of "top five"... I personally would go with "top three" and list everyone else as "also ran".




1. Broyles (Only coach to win a version of a National Championship. Brought the Razorbacksas into national prominence).

2. Hatfield (Best winning percentage of any coach at Arkansas since WWII).

3. Holtz (His first season was magical except for 9-13 loss to Texas.  Somehow he eventually got crossways with AD Broyles.)
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2018, 04:56:48 am »

Holtz>Petrino any which way you slice it
not at Arkansas...no way...JFB left the cupboard not just full of talent but the talent runneth over the cup....we just didn't realize what we had until Holtz infused some excitement into the program...JFB's 1975 recruiting class may have been our best of all time
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2018, 06:41:16 am »

Would rather have Crowe than nutt. Both killed the program but Crowe took less time. More efficient.

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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2018, 07:02:30 am »

1)Broyles
2)Petrino
3)Holtz
4)Nutt
5)Hatfield
6)Ford
7)Bielema

Close call between Petrino and Holtz.
Close call between Nutt and Hatfield. I gave edge to Nutt because he was coaching in the SEC.
Close call between Ford and Bielema. Both did some good things, but also looked in disarray half the time.
If bielema makes the top 7 we haven't had many good coaches
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2018, 07:11:04 am »

If bielema makes the top 7 we haven't had many good coaches

Same could be  (and should be) said of Nutt.

Which explains why we seem to always be "rebuilding". Hatfield left after the 89 season. Our relevance and excellence went with him.

We havent had a program-building coach since.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2018, 08:17:56 am »

I was one who didnít realize how not terrible of a coach Houston Nutt was til living through the Bielema years.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2018, 08:20:02 am »

1. Broyles
2. Holtz
3. Petrino
4. Hatfield
5. Ford/Nutt

If Ford had not left Nutt loaded I donít think Nutt would have lasted long. Plus Ford also went to Atlanta.

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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2018, 05:02:40 pm »

How can you put Bielema above JLS? JLS proved that you can win 4 games in a season while being bat sh*t crazy.... Bielema didn't have an excuse other than being flat out lazy.
John L. was an interim, and was always going to be just an interim.
So I don't include him in the mix at all.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2018, 05:05:10 pm »

I was one who didnít realize how not terrible of a coach Houston Nutt was til living through the Bielema years.
I knew with each passing year the opinion of Nutt as a coach would rise, at least among the few around here who felt Nutt's coaching was the primary thing holding the program back from 'greatness'.

Petrino proved we could do better, Bielema proved we can do worse.

Nutt did a good job here.
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Re: Top 5 Arkansas football head coaches...
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2018, 05:20:01 pm »

I knew with each passing year the opinion of Nutt as a coach would rise, at least among the few around here who felt Nutt's coaching was the primary thing holding the program back from 'greatness'.

Petrino proved we could do better, Bielema proved we can do worse.

Nutt did a good job here.

Disagree.
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