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MuskogeeHogFan:
This is a ridiculous off season article but this guy (lightheartedly) has a theory that broiler chicken production in the South is the reason for SEC dominance and that due to an increase in production of broiler chicken in Arkansas, that Chad Morris may be the best hope to break up the Georgia/Alabama dominance of the SEC.

From the article:

That intrigue lead me to the undeniable truth that the SEC will continue to be dominated by the University of Georgia and the University of Alabama for the foreseeable future unless the other SEC states begin to invest in their ability to raise, cultivate, and sell Broiler Chickens.

According to the USDA, Georgia and Alabama combined produced almost 28% of all broiler chickens in 2016, which probably explains why those two teams sit atop the college football throne in 2017. All other SEC states combined produced just over 37% of US Broilers – if you exclude Arkansas from that total then you get just under 26%, so I think it’s safe to assume that Chad Morris is the SEC’s best hope to break up the Alabama-Georgia monopoly. Collectively, the SEC produces a whopping 65.13% of all US broilers, and that contribution to our economy can largely explain why the SEC has won 9 national titles since 2006 while the ACC won 2 due to North Carolina’s broiler prowess and the B1G won just 1. Broiler production is virtually non-existent in the west, which explains why the PAC 12 has excluded from the CFP in recent years.

Based on this I think it’s fair to predict that the SEC will continue to be dominated by Alabama and Georgia in the near future, but the investments being made by Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi could lead to a more competitive conference top to bottom going forward.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/85slzj/looking_at_the_future_of_the_sec/

bphi11ips:
I saw the title and figured this was another twistup thread... 

I'll read it.  Thanks for posting.

razCzar:

--- Quote from: bphi11ips on March 21, 2018, 06:19:55 am ---I saw the title and figured this was another twistup thread...

I'll read it.  Thanks for posting.

--- End quote ---

LOL... I did too.

MuskogeeHogFan:

--- Quote from: bphi11ips on March 21, 2018, 06:19:55 am ---I saw the title and figured this was another twistup thread... 

I'll read it.  Thanks for posting.

--- End quote ---


--- Quote from: razCzar on March 21, 2018, 06:46:34 am ---LOL... I did too.

--- End quote ---

Surprise! At least this isn't about concessions. ;)

twistitup:
I like your style Muskogee.

This is my theory on broiler production and sec winning. Those big time chicken company execs. love college football. Some of these execs. love it a little more than others and they get these big time recruits by using their big time 'influence'

I'm thinking the execs. in NW Arkansas need to start 'influencing' more 'people' or we might need to have a few heads roll and get some big dogs in here that LOVE some Arkansas Razorbacks.

Lot's of cash can flow through chicken operations - I mean the bag may stink a little, but it's still full of green.

As long as the FBI doesn't start raiding chicken houses, we are good.

Vantage 8 dude:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 21, 2018, 07:17:54 am ---I like your style Muskogee.

This is my theory on broiler production and sec winning. Those big time chicken company execs. love college football. Some of these execs. love it a little more than others and they get these big time recruits by using their big time 'influence'

I'm thinking the execs. in NW Arkansas need to start 'influencing' more 'people' or we might need to have a few heads roll and get some big dogs in here that LOVE some Arkansas Razorbacks.

Lot's of cash can flow through chicken operations - I mean the bag may stink a little, but it's still full of green.

As long as the FBI doesn't start raiding chicken houses, we are good.

--- End quote ---
All that's well and good, however, when we're talking commodity production and prices let's not forget those ever lovin' corn dogs. Heck, since this is the life blood of any true and faithful LSU fan we need to monitor this situation closely. If for some reason there was to be a major famine that wiped out hotdog production-along with the coating that surrounds the delicious treat :o-then there would most definitely be a major crisis brewing. I suspect that instead of cancelling school as the state father's threatened to do a year or so back due to budget constraints, obviously this potential development could reignite a crisis due to a food shortage down in Louzzianna. Can anyone that has the know-how monitor this serious potential threat to state and national security ??? Could Tyson with their pork production capabilities some how step in to alleviate this possible catastrophic event?

ricepig:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 21, 2018, 07:17:54 am ---I like your style Muskogee.

This is my theory on broiler production and sec winning. Those big time chicken company execs. love college football. Some of these execs. love it a little more than others and they get these big time recruits by using their big time 'influence'

I'm thinking the execs. in NW Arkansas need to start 'influencing' more 'people' or we might need to have a few heads roll and get some big dogs in here that LOVE some Arkansas Razorbacks.

Lot's of cash can flow through chicken operations - I mean the bag may stink a little, but it's still full of green.

As long as the FBI doesn't start raiding chicken houses, we are good.

--- End quote ---

FBI is more interested in the fighting chickens. If the PTB would have let Johnny hire Butch, we'd be flush with chicken feathers.

oldfart:
arkansas and georgia swap back and forth as to leaders in brouler production far ahead of alabama

Ex-Trumpet:
California was once yuge in broiler production during the Pac-10's heyday.  Maybe there is an unsaid relationship!

Porkys Revenge:
There’s a direct relationship between the hormones they’re getting injected with and it’s effects on the human body.

I bet Joseph Stone, the 6 foot 8, 340lb lineman we’re recruiting out of Alabama, lives within a 1/4 mile of a chicken house.

bphi11ips:

--- Quote from: Porkys Revenge on March 21, 2018, 09:39:09 am ---There’s a direct relationship between the hormones they’re getting injected with and it’s effects on the human body.

I bet Joseph Stone, the 6 foot 8, 340lb lineman we’re recruiting out of Alabama, lives within a 1/4 mile of a chicken house.

--- End quote ---

I heard he was raised in Georgia and moved to Trussville, Alabama just a year or two ago. I’m not making this up.

DeltaBoy:
I love Chicken.

bphi11ips:

--- Quote from: DeltaBoy on March 21, 2018, 11:20:03 am ---I love Chicken.

--- End quote ---

This may be the first book I remember reading. Probably scarred me for life:

https://www.rookebooks.com/product?prod_id=30161

Nobody doesn’t like chicken.

TexHog188:

--- Quote from: bphi11ips on March 21, 2018, 11:36:41 am ---This may be the first book I remember reading. Probably scarred me for life:

https://www.rookebooks.com/product?prod_id=30161

Nobody doesn’t like chicken.

--- End quote ---

My dad grew up during the Great Depression and ate almost exclusively chicken for many years.  After he returned from Europe at the end of WWII, he never ate another chicken, hated them.  When mom made chicken and cornbread for dinner, he would eat cornbread in a glass with milk.  Never Chicken.

oldfart:

--- Quote from: Porkys Revenge on March 21, 2018, 09:39:09 am ---There’s a direct relationship between the hormones they’re getting injected with and it’s effects on the human body.

I bet Joseph Stone, the 6 foot 8, 340lb lineman we’re recruiting out of Alabama, lives within a 1/4 mile of a chicken house.

--- End quote ---

regardless of the common misperception chickens are not given hormones or steroids

BallHog1:

--- Quote from: Porkys Revenge on March 21, 2018, 09:39:09 am --- the hormones they’re getting injected

--- End quote ---
You think they're giving chickens shots?
That would take a while and be pretty labor intensive....

twistitup:

--- Quote from: BallHog1 on March 21, 2018, 12:50:15 pm ---You think they're giving chickens shots?
That would take a while and be pretty labor intensive....

--- End quote ---

it's in the feed

ricepig:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 21, 2018, 12:53:57 pm ---it's in the feed

--- End quote ---

Somebody injects the feed??

PowderedToastMan:

--- Quote from: Porkys Revenge on March 21, 2018, 09:39:09 am ---There’s a direct relationship between the hormones they’re getting injected with and it’s effects on the human body.


--- End quote ---

Hormone use in poultry production has been illegal since the early 1960's. It would be quite difficult to administer as well.

ricepig:

--- Quote from: PowderedToastMan on March 21, 2018, 01:05:28 pm ---Hormone use in poultry production has been illegal since the early 1960's. It would be quite difficult to administer as well.

--- End quote ---

I've heard some of the chicks were hooked on the stuff......

PonderinHog:
Funky thread!

twistitup:

--- Quote from: ricepig on March 21, 2018, 12:57:13 pm ---Somebody injects the feed??

--- End quote ---

Don't drink the water

little pigee:

--- Quote from: oldfart on March 21, 2018, 08:59:24 am ---arkansas and georgia swap back and forth as to leaders in brouler production far ahead of alabama

--- End quote ---
http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/current/PoulProdVa/PoulProdVa-04-28-2017.pdf

FYI

Tejano Jawg:

--- Quote from: bphi11ips on March 21, 2018, 06:19:55 am ---I saw the title and figured this was another twistup thread... 

I'll read it.  Thanks for posting.

--- End quote ---

LOL…I absolutely thought that!

Pig in the Pokey:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 21, 2018, 07:17:54 am ---I like your style Muskogee.

This is my theory on broiler production and sec winning. Those big time chicken company execs. love college football. Some of these execs. love it a little more than others and they get these big time recruits by using their big time 'influence'

I'm thinking the execs. in NW Arkansas need to start 'influencing' more 'people' or we might need to have a few heads roll and get some big dogs in here that LOVE some Arkansas Razorbacks.

Lot's of cash can flow through chicken operations - I mean the bag may stink a little, but it's still full of green.

As long as the FBI doesn't start raiding chicken houses, we are good.

--- End quote ---
No way dem FBI Bawz are going into a nasty ass chicken house. #WeStraight

Porkys Revenge:

--- Quote from: little pigee on March 21, 2018, 02:02:25 pm ---http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/current/PoulProdVa/PoulProdVa-04-28-2017.pdf

FYI

--- End quote ---
Looks like if we could produce another 120k chickens or so, we could take the top spot from Bama and start winning some SEC championships.

WBOBO:

--- Quote from: ricepig on March 21, 2018, 01:12:10 pm ---I've heard some of the chicks were hooked on the stuff......

--- End quote ---
Are you referring to the High Speed chicken feed?

redleg:

--- Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on March 21, 2018, 05:59:40 am ---This is a ridiculous off season article but this guy (lightheartedly) has a theory that broiler chicken production in the South is the reason for SEC dominance and that due to an increase in production of broiler chicken in Arkansas, that Chad Morris may be the best hope to break up the Georgia/Alabama dominance of the SEC.

From the article:

That intrigue lead me to the undeniable truth that the SEC will continue to be dominated by the University of Georgia and the University of Alabama for the foreseeable future unless the other SEC states begin to invest in their ability to raise, cultivate, and sell Broiler Chickens.

According to the USDA, Georgia and Alabama combined produced almost 28% of all broiler chickens in 2016, which probably explains why those two teams sit atop the college football throne in 2017. All other SEC states combined produced just over 37% of US Broilers – if you exclude Arkansas from that total then you get just under 26%, so I think it’s safe to assume that Chad Morris is the SEC’s best hope to break up the Alabama-Georgia monopoly. Collectively, the SEC produces a whopping 65.13% of all US broilers, and that contribution to our economy can largely explain why the SEC has won 9 national titles since 2006 while the ACC won 2 due to North Carolina’s broiler prowess and the B1G won just 1. Broiler production is virtually non-existent in the west, which explains why the PAC 12 has excluded from the CFP in recent years.

Based on this I think it’s fair to predict that the SEC will continue to be dominated by Alabama and Georgia in the near future, but the investments being made by Texas, Arkansas, and Mississippi could lead to a more competitive conference top to bottom going forward.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/85slzj/looking_at_the_future_of_the_sec/

--- End quote ---

Um....I...I got nothing. WTH?!

I wonder...has this guy ever been in a commercial chicken house? Have any of you? It wreaks of ammonia and chicken crap and pee pee. You can literally see it floating around in the air! One house can hold 30,000 chickens! It is not a human friendly environment! Chickens can handle it. But man! It's hard to breath. My uncle is use to it, though, and so were my grandparents.

RyanMallettsEgo:

--- Quote from: redleg on March 26, 2018, 11:41:39 am ---Um....I...I got nothing. WTH?!

I wonder...has this guy ever been in a commercial chicken house? Have any of you? It wreaks of ammonia and chicken crap and pee pee. You can literally see it floating around in the air! One house can hold 30,000 chickens! It is not a human friendly environment! Chickens can handle it. But man! It's hard to breath. My uncle is use to it, though, and so were my grandparents.

--- End quote ---

Whoosh

woodrow hog call:

--- Quote from: redleg on March 26, 2018, 11:41:39 am ---Um....I...I got nothing. WTH?!

I wonder...has this guy ever been in a commercial chicken house? Have any of you? It wreaks of ammonia and chicken crap and pee pee. You can literally see it floating around in the air! One house can hold 30,000 chickens! It is not a human friendly environment! Chickens can handle it. But man! It's hard to breath. My uncle is use to it, though, and so were my grandparents.

--- End quote ---

It’s great in August when the birds are 4-5 weeks old and start dying by the thousands because of the heat and humidity. Dig a big ditch and start filling it up.

oldfart:

--- Quote from: ricepig on March 21, 2018, 12:57:13 pm ---Somebody injects the feed??

--- End quote ---

hormones are protein based and if eaten will be broken down and ingested like a protein. thats why insulin has to be injected. contrary to poular belief chickens are not given hormones. beef cattle are given a hormone pellet  to allow them to lay down fat in the muscle (marbling) at an early age so the meat will be tender. chickens already have more than enough fat and do not need to be tenderized by a hormone. at one time many years ago if you wanted a big chicken it was an old chicken and tough. so some of them received a pellet of the same type as beef cattle in the back of the neck. this was outlawed in 1957 as a result of the Delaney Amendment to the Food and Drug law.

ricepig:

--- Quote from: oldfart on March 26, 2018, 09:14:14 pm ---hormones are protein based and if eaten will be broken down and ingested like a protein. thats why insulin has to be injected. contrary to poular belief chickens are not given hormones. beef cattle are given a hormone pellet  to allow them to lay down fat in the muscle (marbling) at an early age so the meat will be tender. chickens already have more than enough fat and do not need to be tenderized by a hormone. at one time many years ago if you wanted a big chicken it was an old chicken and tough. so some of them received a pellet of the same type as beef cattle in the back of the neck. this was outlawed in 1957 as a result of the Delaney Amendment to the Food and Drug law.

--- End quote ---

It was a poor joke attempt, as in someone taking a syringe and injecting every pellet of feed.

Been10Hog:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 21, 2018, 12:53:57 pm ---it's in the feed

--- End quote ---
Legal way to give our players PEDs. Give it to the chickens and the catfish!!

HogPharmer:

--- Quote from: Been10Hog on March 27, 2018, 08:28:13 am ---Legal way to give our players PEDs. Give it to the chickens and the catfish!!

--- End quote ---

Put it in the PB&J sammiches

little pigee:

--- Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on March 26, 2018, 11:50:20 am ---Whoosh

--- End quote ---
The look on your face makes sense right now.

hog.goblin:

--- Quote from: TexHog188 on March 21, 2018, 12:21:25 pm ---My dad grew up during the Great Depression and ate almost exclusively chicken for many years.  After he returned from Europe at the end of WWII, he never ate another chicken, hated them.  When mom made chicken and cornbread for dinner, he would eat cornbread in a glass with milk.  Never Chicken.

--- End quote ---

There is a Nazi joke in there somewhere, but perhaps it's too soon...

Ex-Trumpet:

--- Quote from: Porkys Revenge on March 21, 2018, 09:39:09 am ---There’s a direct relationship between the hormones they’re getting injected with and it’s effects on the human body.

I bet Joseph Stone, the 6 foot 8, 340lb lineman we’re recruiting out of Alabama, lives within a 1/4 mile of a chicken house.

--- End quote ---

There is exactly ZERO hormones given to chickens.  This is fake news at its worst.

What chicken companies have done, however, is breed a chicken that gets very large, very quickly, with large breasts...that's where the money is!!

But absolutely zero hormones are administered to chickens--injected, ingested, or otherwise.

twistitup:

--- Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 28, 2018, 09:45:51 am ---There is exactly ZERO hormones given to chickens.  This is fake news at its worst.

What chicken companies have done, however, is breed a chicken that gets very large, very quickly, with large breasts...that's where the money is!!

But absolutely zero hormones are administered to chickens--injected, ingested, or otherwise.

--- End quote ---

Somebody must work for Tyson (or Georges)~

ok,ok... 'growth enhancers'  or antibiotic 'growth promoters'

little pigee:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 28, 2018, 10:14:56 am ---Somebody must work for Tyson (or Georges)~

ok,ok... 'growth enhancers'  or antibiotic 'growth promoters'

--- End quote ---
I hear Tyson is focusing on protein, so they have that going for them.

Bacons Rebellion:

--- Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 28, 2018, 09:45:51 am ---... breed a chicken that gets very large, very quickly, with large breasts...that's where the money is!!
...

--- End quote ---

Money often gravitates to large breasts.

Ex-Trumpet:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 28, 2018, 10:14:56 am ---Somebody must work for Tyson (or Georges)~

ok,ok... 'growth enhancers'  or antibiotic 'growth promoters'

--- End quote ---

Haha, no...just tired of all the bad info out there.

And yes, nutrition plays a yuge roll in performance, just like in sports.  There are folks getting paid $$$ to figure out how to do it better.

And don't even get me started on "free range" bs...

Ex-Trumpet:

--- Quote from: Bacons Rebellion on March 28, 2018, 11:10:44 am ---Money often gravitates to large breasts.


--- End quote ---

As it should!  But I prefer dark meat...

PonderinHog:

--- Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 28, 2018, 11:33:04 am ---As it should!  But I prefer dark meat...

--- End quote ---

twistitup:

--- Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 28, 2018, 11:32:33 am ---Haha, no...just tired of all the bad info out there.

And yes, nutrition plays a yuge roll in performance, just like in sports.  There are folks getting paid $$$ to figure out how to do it better.

And don't even get me started on "free range" bs...

--- End quote ---

Free range has nothing to do with nutrition...it's about confinement - true?

Ex-Trumpet:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 28, 2018, 01:02:09 pm ---Free range has nothing to do with nutrition...it's about confinement - true?

--- End quote ---

Supposed to be, but most people are surprised when they see a "free range" facility.  Organic is yet another topic, that does involve nutrition.

Lady Razorback:

--- Quote from: redleg on March 26, 2018, 11:41:39 am ---Um....I...I got nothing. WTH?!

I wonder...has this guy ever been in a commercial chicken house? Have any of you? It wreaks of ammonia and chicken crap and pee pee. You can literally see it floating around in the air! One house can hold 30,000 chickens! It is not a human friendly environment! Chickens can handle it. But man! It's hard to breath. My uncle is use to it, though, and so were my grandparents.

--- End quote ---

As a matter of fact, I have been.  My poultry clients say it smells like money. 

Been in commercial layer houses. 

Been on hog farms. 

It's actually a little frightening how much I know about all of this. 

Lady Razorback:

--- Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 28, 2018, 09:45:51 am ---There is exactly ZERO hormones given to chickens.  This is fake news at its worst.

What chicken companies have done, however, is breed a chicken that gets very large, very quickly, with large breasts...that's where the money is!!

But absolutely zero hormones are administered to chickens--injected, ingested, or otherwise.

--- End quote ---

There are companies that raise smaller birds which Chick-Fil-A and Church's used to prefer.  It is challenging though to make any money on smaller birds. 

I had a kosher chicken processing plant in Pennsylvania.  The best tasting chicken really.  But rabbi's had to slit the throats, seriously, and then all the blood is drained before any processing.  I had this young, young staff woman come home and quit after taking inventory there.  Her comment to me was that she was a vegan and found it offensive.  I seriously asked her what in the heck did she expect working for an accounting firm with a niche in animal agriculture. 

I should have made her do an inventory on a hog farm before she left.  You have to wash in and out of every house, and where paper attire.  Yes, all attire is paper.  If you're lucky its only a little under freezing so your hair isn't completely ice. 

MuskogeeHogFan:

--- Quote from: Lady Razorback on March 28, 2018, 08:27:18 pm ---As a matter of fact, I have been.  My poultry clients say it smells like money.

Been in commercial layer houses. 

Been on hog farms. 

It's actually a little frightening how much I know about all of this. 

--- End quote ---

Just like a good landfill. The first time you get a whiff, it smells awful. The deeper and longer that you get into the business, the more it smells like money and the less that you tend to notice the stench.

Lady Razorback:

--- Quote from: twistitup on March 28, 2018, 01:02:09 pm ---Free range has nothing to do with nutrition...it's about confinement - true?

--- End quote ---
Right confinement.  I would not eat free range chicken.  It is tougher and not nearly as tasty. 
I would NEVER eat cage free eggs.  Think about it...

Lady Razorback:

--- Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on March 28, 2018, 08:36:31 pm ---Just like a
Just like a good landfill. The first time you get a whiff, it smells awful. The deeper and longer that you get into the business, the more it smells like money and the less that you tend to notice the stench.

--- End quote ---

When it started smelling like money to me, I knew I had to do something different with my life.   ;D

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