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Rod6275

Say what you want about our seed....
« on: March 11, 2018, 09:48:27 pm »

But OSU got screwed....and OU gets in????  I a Hog homer....thought we had one or two more wins... 6 seed or better .... that said Detroit ....not the best fan base.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 09:50:19 pm »

OSUís RPI was terrible
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 09:51:26 pm »

OU doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the tournament.  If their early season was awesome enough to overcome the last two months of being crappy, then we should get some of that glory for having been the only team to beat them then.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2018, 08:56:46 am »

and texas got i n???   osu got screwed on that selection
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2018, 09:10:01 am »

OSU had a RPI of almost 90. Any team that is good enough ti beat KU twice should not have 14 loses. Their best ooc win was Fla St.

I am not saying Ou should be in or TX, but OSU has only their inconsistency to blame.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2018, 09:17:13 am »

OSU had a RPI of almost 90. Any team that is good enough ti beat KU twice should not have 14 loses. Their best ooc win was Fla St.

I am not saying Ou should be in or TX, but OSU has only their inconsistency to blame.
Here is my thing though, if RPI is the main thing why isnít USC in?  Why didnít Arkansas get a higher seed than Florida?  It seems the criteria is different for each team.  It just seems really inconsistent. 
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2018, 09:23:22 am »

Here is my thing though, if RPI is the main thing why isnít USC in?  Why didnít Arkansas get a higher seed than Florida?  It seems the criteria is different for each team.  It just seems really inconsistent. 

RPI is not the main thing, it was the only stat on OSU I could remember from the discussion last night. USC had the problem of not beating any of the top 4 teams in the PAC12 ( a league that only got 3 in and only had one definite going into the weekend ) and only had 5 quality wins.

This also shows why, when people say the football playoff should go to 8 or 12 or 16 I just laugh. The 1st 3 or 4 teams left out are always going to cry and people are always going to say this team or that got ripped off, no matter how many teams get in.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2018, 09:30:10 am »

USC got boned

Hard
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 09:38:41 am »

OU getting in over OSU was a head scratcher, even though OSU lost badly to OU early, but you are who you play. OSU ended up in the minus column in conference, didn't win 20 games, and did poorly on the road. Had a couple good wins, but a couple inexplicable losses. They qualified as a bubble team.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2018, 09:38:45 am »

RPI is not the main thing, it was the only stat on OSU I could remember from the discussion last night. USC had the problem of not beating any of the top 4 teams in the PAC12 ( a league that only got 3 in and only had one definite going into the weekend ) and only had 5 quality wins.

This also shows why, when people say the football playoff should go to 8 or 12 or 16 I just laugh. The 1st 3 or 4 teams left out are always going to cry and people are always going to say this team or that got ripped off, no matter how many teams get in.
I know itís a combination of things but still IMO they are inconsistent.  USC had a very good RPI, finished 2nd in conference, and finished 2nd in conference tournament.  It seemed like Okie State main knock was their RPI.  If the RPI held so much weight then why didnít that put USC over the hump?  AZ State & OU struggled at the end of the season but were rewarded for how they played in Non-conference.

Then Arkansas gets a worse seed than Florida and the same as A&M.  Itís not a huge deal but makes you scratch your head.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2018, 09:39:07 am »

Ou is in only because the media has hyped that guard up all year so hard.  The NCAA did everything they could do to get that kid in the tournament.   
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2018, 09:44:12 am »

Ou is in only because the media has hyped that guard up all year so hard.  The NCAA did everything they could do to get that kid in the tournament.   

^ they didn't want another Ben Simmons situation.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2018, 09:47:38 am »

I know itís a combination of things but still IMO they are inconsistent.  USC had a very good RPI, finished 2nd in conference, and finished 2nd in conference tournament.  It seemed like Okie State main knock was their RPI.  If the RPI held so much weight then why didnít that put USC over the hump?  AZ State & OU struggled at the end of the season but were rewarded for how they played in Non-conference.

Then Arkansas gets a worse seed than Florida and the same as A&M.  Itís not a huge deal but makes you scratch your head.

Completely agreed well said.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2018, 09:53:02 am »

If we get to the sweet 16 we will definitely have earned it.  Butler and probably Purdue are good teams it will be real fun to watch.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2018, 09:53:17 am »

I know itís a combination of things but still IMO they are inconsistent.  USC had a very good RPI, finished 2nd in conference, and finished 2nd in conference tournament.  It seemed like Okie State main knock was their RPI.  If the RPI held so much weight then why didnít that put USC over the hump?  AZ State & OU struggled at the end of the season but were rewarded for how they played in Non-conference.

Then Arkansas gets a worse seed than Florida and the same as A&M.  Itís not a huge deal but makes you scratch your head.

Does not make me scratch mine, since it has been happening for as long as I can remember in the ncaat selection process. Every year there are handful of teams that get in or left out that people look at at wonder why. This year its OU/AZ/Syr in and OSU/USC and MTSU out. Flip them around and the conversation would be about why OSU/USC/MTSU got in and 3 other teams got left out.

My gripe is with the whole RPI/BPi thing to begin with. Both, but especially RPi are pretty easy to manipulate through scheduling. I will use the Hogs just because I follow them ( and this is not a Hog bash so everyone calm down ) they can schedule a team like Bucknell, likely to do well in their league and that plays a tough ooc schedule, to come to BWA. Not a game the Hogs are likely to lose at home, but one that helps the rpi. It is still a rent a win. Also get a Minn team that was highly overrated, came in ranked in the early part of the season and I think they missed the post season entirely, yet still had a rpi of their own around 100, so it helps the Hogs RPI, yet it was not really a quality game.

Scheduling has become a game all by itself, really. Try to find the least threatening teams you can, that will themselves have rpi of 100 or so. Just avoid anyone like Southern that will have a rpi of 300. And to that end, neither OSU or USC played the scheduling game very well this season.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2018, 09:56:06 am »

OU got in because of Trae Young. This tourney is still about entertainment and $.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2018, 09:59:08 am »

OU got in because of Trae Young. This tourney is still about entertainment and $.

Exactamundo! Cash rules everything around me.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2018, 10:20:06 am »

OU got in because of Trae Young. This tourney is still about entertainment and $.

Bingo. Even one of the Espn analysts said this.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 10:45:34 am »

OU got in because of Trae Young. This tourney is still about entertainment and $.

Same can be said about Alabama. Sexton became a media darling following his buzzer beater against aTm.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2018, 10:46:17 am »

I don't care who should have gotten OU's spot. My gripe is that OU made the tournament at all.

An OOC SOS of 129. 2-8 in their last 10 games.

Zero wins in 10 tries away from home (and neutral court in Big12 Tourney) since Jan 1 when the conference schedule started to get hard.

2 wins away from home and 3 wins on neutral courts ALL BEFORE Jan 1 when the schedule was easier. 

7 wins in 19 games 2018.

But that's all said and done. Better teams are sitting at home or going to the NIT. The NCAA had no answers other than "body of work." It makes me wonder if the FBI has even scratched the surface of the corruption in NCAA basketball.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2018, 10:50:44 am »

Same can be said about Alabama. Sexton became a media darling following his buzzer beater against aTm.

Yes they wanted Sexton in the tourney.  And they setup a Sexton vs Brunson matchup if Bama wins their first game.  Bama has 15 losses which I think ties for most ever for an at large team or close.  Yet they got a 9 seed.  I think they deserved to be in but as a 9? 
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 10:57:23 am »

Yes they wanted Sexton in the tourney.  And they setup a Sexton vs Brunson matchup if Bama wins their first game.  Bama has 15 losses which I think ties for most ever for an at large team or close.  Yet they got a 9 seed.  I think they deserved to be in but as a 9? 

Yeah, still trying to wrap my head around that 9 seed. As you suspect, just trying to get Sexton deeper in the tourney I suppose.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2018, 11:03:06 am »

Yeah, still trying to wrap my head around that 9 seed. As you suspect, just trying to get Sexton deeper in the tourney I suppose.

i think they know that they are both 1 and done teams, but want to "sell" them on the run up to the start of the tourney.

Looking at the brackets you can really see the parity i know it gets said every year, but this field looks really good top to bottom.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2018, 11:05:25 am »

Yeah, still trying to wrap my head around that 9 seed. As you suspect, just trying to get Sexton deeper in the tourney I suppose.

It is a made for tv event.  The committee always likes their storylines. 
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2018, 11:12:09 am »

i think they know that they are both 1 and done teams, but want to "sell" them on the run up to the start of the tourney.

Looking at the brackets you can really see the parity i know it gets said every year, but this field looks really good top to bottom.

Even with Sexton, I was really hoping for Alabama in the Semi-Finals.Still, who would have figured the Vols to shoot 76% in the first half, and go 7 for 8 on threes? Geez.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2018, 11:15:38 am »


 Better teams are sitting at home or going to the NIT.


Better based on what? Record? Head to head? Perception? OSU lost to KSU twice and TCU twice and to Baylor twice and lost 14 games overall.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2018, 12:30:39 pm »

Does not make me scratch mine, since it has been happening for as long as I can remember in the ncaat selection process. Every year there are handful of teams that get in or left out that people look at at wonder why. This year its OU/AZ/Syr in and OSU/USC and MTSU out. Flip them around and the conversation would be about why OSU/USC/MTSU got in and 3 other teams got left out.

My gripe is with the whole RPI/BPi thing to begin with. Both, but especially RPi are pretty easy to manipulate through scheduling. I will use the Hogs just because I follow them ( and this is not a Hog bash so everyone calm down ) they can schedule a team like Bucknell, likely to do well in their league and that plays a tough ooc schedule, to come to BWA. Not a game the Hogs are likely to lose at home, but one that helps the rpi. It is still a rent a win. Also get a Minn team that was highly overrated, came in ranked in the early part of the season and I think they missed the post season entirely, yet still had a rpi of their own around 100, so it helps the Hogs RPI, yet it was not really a quality game.

Scheduling has become a game all by itself, really. Try to find the least threatening teams you can, that will themselves have rpi of 100 or so. Just avoid anyone like Southern that will have a rpi of 300. And to that end, neither OSU or USC played the scheduling game very well this season.
Agree 100% on the RPI.  You almost get more credit for playing a bunch of teams with an RPI of 100 but all winnable games than you do if you play say a Kanasas, Arizona, and then 10 teams with an RPI of 200 or worse.  To me the tougher schedule is the 2nd one.
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Re: Say what you want about our seed....
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2018, 12:33:57 pm »

Agree 100% on the RPI.  You almost get more credit for playing a bunch of teams with an RPI of 100 but all winnable games than you do if you play say a Kanasas, Arizona, and then 10 teams with an RPI of 200 or worse.  To me the tougher schedule is the 2nd one.

And now St Marys' is crying because they can't get good teams to play them home and home. Well then, just go play them on the road.
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