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Dillon23:
Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

code red:
Bret looking out for Bret.

31to6:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:19:49 pm ---Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

--- End quote ---
What a spiteful, vindictive thing to say.

Inhogswetrust:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:19:49 pm ---Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

--- End quote ---

I think we should ask Austin what ailments affect Bret...........

onebadrubi:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:19:49 pm ---Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

--- End quote ---

If I were any of the three Allen's affiliated with Bielema in his time here, I would have an issue with that comment and I think I'd release a few comments myself.  That is a complete BS comment and possibly comes from an issue Bielema had with Austin. 

The only thing Bielema did more damage too than the Allen brothers bodies was the bottle. 

(notOM)Rebel123:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:19:49 pm ---Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

--- End quote ---

How do you know Bret actually said this? He isnít quoted in the analysis.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/austin-allen?id=32462018-0002-5601-179e-7f64e9949129

Dillon23:
I don't know how to confirm it, but one would assume that when a writer actually mentions his name, that it would be sourced.

AFWarrior83:

--- Quote from: Inhogswetrust on March 02, 2018, 02:25:24 pm ---I think we should ask Austin what ailments affect Bret...........

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Obesity? High blood pressure?

DeltaBoy:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:19:49 pm ---Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

--- End quote ---

Damn he threw AA under the Bus!

JIHawg:
Letís ask Austin about any alcohol issues.

baitshop:

--- Quote from: (notOM)Rebel123 on March 02, 2018, 02:38:42 pm ---How do you know Bret actually said this? He isn’t quoted in the analysis.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/austin-allen?id=32462018-0002-5601-179e-7f64e9949129

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Actually, at the bottom of the analysis, it does confirm the quote/thought in 1st post of thread.

tusked:

BB is an asshat.

ImHogginIt:

--- Quote from: (notOM)Rebel123 on March 02, 2018, 02:38:42 pm ---How do you know Bret actually said this? He isnít quoted in the analysis.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/austin-allen?id=32462018-0002-5601-179e-7f64e9949129

--- End quote ---

Scroll down to the weaknesses section to see it

farmhawg:

--- Quote from: tusked on March 02, 2018, 03:28:28 pm ---BB is an asshat.

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nchogg:
I want to see what he said with my own eyes. If he said that my opinion of him would make him hog s**t.

jgphillips3:
But heís such a ďnice guyĒ...

PorkRinds:
I know we all like to assume the worst but could it be that Bielema didnít say it in the context of bashing him? Context sure would help determine why he said it.

twistitup:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:19:49 pm ---Just reading Austin's Bio on the NFL combine page and saw this.

"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

In reference to his shoulder injuries.  Although it may be honest and true, it doesn't sound like the endorsement you would want from the coach that put you in the position to get pounded every game.   

--- End quote ---

Surprising? Not in the least...

In the link above - it's listed under official 'weaknesses'


"Former head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailments"

Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter:

--- Quote from: PorkRinds on March 02, 2018, 05:36:53 pm ---I know we all like to assume the worst but could it be that Bielema didnít say it in the context of bashing him? Context sure would help determine why he said it.

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If he was asked point blank, "Do you believe those ailments are permanent?"  I would expect he would have to be honest with his assessment.

Not that I like it, but I understand it.

greenEGnHAWGS:

--- Quote from: 31to6 on March 02, 2018, 02:21:31 pm ---What a spiteful, vindictive thing to say.

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But why would BB be spiteful or vindictive towards AA?

PorkRinds:

--- Quote from: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on March 02, 2018, 05:46:30 pm ---If he was asked point blank, "Do you believe those ailments are permanent?"  I would expect he would have to be honest with his assessment.

Not that I like it, but I understand it.

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Right. Or possibly they saw something specific about his shoulder and asked CBB about it. Heck, they could have even cut part of the quote and he said that and ďbut I feel like heís still a great option at QBĒ. Thereís just no telling with just a small snippet of info. I donít see CBB having any reason to bash Austin needlessly. 

Cure:
What's the deal? You want him to lie about it? You could see he wasn't the same this season.

aloha_kid:

--- Quote from: 31to6 on March 02, 2018, 02:21:31 pm ---What a spiteful, vindictive thing to say.

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You don't think all the poking and prodding they undergo wouldn't reveal the injury.  BTW, I wouldn't read too much into anything he says, he's not a doctor.  While it may be his belief, any team seriously looking at him will be able to verify it.

aloha_kid:

--- Quote from: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on March 02, 2018, 05:46:30 pm ---If he was asked point blank, "Do you believe those ailments are permanent?"  I would expect he would have to be honest with his assessment.

Not that I like it, but I understand it.

--- End quote ---

Clearly Bret's lack of medical training is apparent.  An opinion coming from someone without medical training really doesn't matter ... it's just an opinion.  Any NFL team considering taking him, will fully vet his injuries.

Dwight_K_Shrute:
The ailments were caused by sorry ass offensive line that was caused by highly questionable recruiting and the hire of a guy that should never coach at the P5 level again.  Bet Bert won't claim that nugget unless of course it was battered and deep fried.

King Kong:
So his crappy Oline is the reason if it has

(notOM)Rebel123:

--- Quote from: ImHogginIt on March 02, 2018, 03:33:31 pm ---Scroll down to the weaknesses section to see it

--- End quote ---

--- Quote from: baitshop on March 02, 2018, 03:24:37 pm ---Actually, at the bottom of the analysis, it does confirm the quote/thought in 1st post of thread.

--- End quote ---

No it doesnít. It just states...
ďFormer head coach, Bret Bielema believes Allen has been permanently affected by these ailmentsĒ.
Thatís not a direct quote. Not a staunch defender of CBB by any stretch. But to write that in the analysis without a direct quote is weak.

Hogvillage Idiot:
NM

rude1:

--- Quote from: Cure on March 02, 2018, 05:53:39 pm ---What's the deal? You want him to lie about it? You could see he wasn't the same this season.

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Lie about it? How about not just speculate on it? Which is what he did, he doesn't know but he speculated that it "might" be permanent. Could have phrased that a thousand different ways yet he chose the most negative he could find, but of course to some he is still this great fat wonderful teddy bear.

hoglady:
I've never thought Bielema was this great, stand up guy folks thought he was.

This just further confirms what I've always thought.

Nashville Fan:
So now CBB is giving medical opinions? He went to medical school with the 15MM? AA should sue CBB for illegal release of personal medical information.

31to6:

--- Quote from: rude1 on March 02, 2018, 07:19:04 pm ---Lie about it? How about not just speculate on it? Which is what he did, he doesn't know but he speculated that it "might" be permanent. Could have phrased that a thousand different ways yet he chose the most negative he could find, but of course to some he is still this great fat wonderful teddy bear.

--- End quote ---
Exactly.

BB, in an alternate universe, "Austin is a tough kid with a strong work ethic. I'm not a doctor, but I can say that I've seen him work through injuries before and return to the field."

There is always a way to answer a question truthfully that doesn't torch someone. Particularly when your entire persona is wrapped around how much you care for your players.

Fact is, nobody can know whether AA's injuries are permanent because every person recovers differently. I've seen a person return to the field who was told they would never walk again.

hoglady:

--- Quote from: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on March 02, 2018, 05:46:30 pm ---If he was asked point blank, "Do you believe those ailments are permanent?"  I would expect he would have to be honest with his assessment.

Not that I like it, but I understand it.

--- End quote ---

All he had to say was that's a question for the medical professionals - how hard would that have been.
And actually that's a much more appropriate response instead of Bielema's speculation.

ChitownHawg:

--- Quote from: rude1 on March 02, 2018, 07:19:04 pm ---Lie about it? How about not just speculate on it? Which is what he did, he doesn't know but he speculated that it "might" be permanent. Could have phrased that a thousand different ways yet he chose the most negative he could find, but of course to some he is still this great fat wonderful teddy bear.

--- End quote ---

You are speculating as to what CBB said as the writer paraphrased CBB. Some of you guys are just whiney little babies. He is gone - get over it. You sound like a jilted girl.

ChitownHawg:

--- Quote from: hoglady on March 02, 2018, 08:03:12 pm ---All he had to say was that's a question for the medical professionals - how hard would that have been.
And actually that's a much more appropriate response instead of Bielema's speculation.

--- End quote ---

Are you sure CBB hasnít seen the medical analysis? AA was his QB.

Nashville Fan:

--- Quote from: hoglady on March 02, 2018, 08:03:12 pm ---All he had to say was that's a question for the medical professionals - how hard would that have been.
And actually that's a much more appropriate response instead of Bielema's speculation.

--- End quote ---
It is very reasonable to assume BB would have had access to medical trainer's opinions. NFL teams know this. It was not received as speculation and was highly inappropriate, if not illegal.

Athog:

--- Quote from: Dillon23 on March 02, 2018, 02:41:38 pm ---I don't know how to confirm it, but one would assume that when a writer actually mentions his name, that it would be sourced.

--- End quote ---

In this day I am not so sure!

hoglady:

--- Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 02, 2018, 08:12:36 pm ---Are you sure CBB hasn’t seen the medical analysis? AA was his QB.

--- End quote ---

That really doesn't matter - wasn't his information to give out / it's Austin's medical information.

hoglady:

--- Quote from: Nashville Fan on March 02, 2018, 08:15:57 pm ---It is very reasonable to assume BB would have had access to medical trainer's opinions. NFL teams know this. It was not received as speculation and was highly inappropriate, if not illegal.


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You're right if he based it off Austin's medical information instead of speculation - that's even worse.

ChitownHawg:

--- Quote from: hoglady on March 02, 2018, 08:25:38 pm ---That really doesn't matter - wasn't his information to give out / it's Austin's medical information.

--- End quote ---

Again you are jumping to a conclusion from an indirect quote.

PorkRinds:
Some of yíall are total drama queens.

Wildhog:

--- Quote from: PorkRinds on March 02, 2018, 08:39:07 pm ---Some of yíall are total drama queens.

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I don't know, man.  I kinda agree with them.  Bielema has no idea if it's permanent or not.  Not to mention it was his damn fault to begin with.

SooieGeneris:
Once again, Bert's alligator mouth is at work. The guy just can't help himself, he's got to express an opinion when he just as easily could have refrained from trashing one of his former player's chances of getting drafted in the late rounds.

Bert looking after Bert as he seeks an NFL assistant job or analyst job at the college level even as he has a Brinks truck loaded with UA money parked in his garage..

Mark my words; if we win more than 6 games in 2018, Blabbermouth Bert will come forward to try to take credit for it when he should be apologizing for tanking the 2017 season with most of the same players..

Is not destroying seat cushions part of a 12 step program?

PorkRinds:

--- Quote from: Wildhog on March 02, 2018, 08:41:48 pm ---I don't know, man.  I kinda agree with them.  Bielema has no idea if it's permanent or not.  Not to mention it was his damn fault to begin with.

--- End quote ---

We have no idea what he said. Unless itís a direct quote itís hard to get too worked up about it.

ChitownHawg:

--- Quote from: Wildhog on March 02, 2018, 08:41:48 pm ---I don't know, man.  I kinda agree with them.  Bielema has no idea if it's permanent or not.  Not to mention it was his damn fault to begin with.

--- End quote ---

Agree with what? An indirect quote which means we donít know his actual words nor the context. Seems dramatic to me.

But we do this to every coach that leaves.

ChitownHawg:

--- Quote from: SooieGeneris on March 02, 2018, 08:48:42 pm ---Once again, Bert's alligator mouth is at work. The guy just can't help himself, he's got to express an opinion when he just as easily could have refrained from trashing one of his former player's chances of getting drafted in the late rounds.

Bert looking after Bert as he seeks an NFL assistant job or analyst job at the college level even as he has a Brinks truck loaded with UA money parked in his garage..

Mark my words; if we win more than 6 games in 2018, Blabbermouth Bert will come forward to try to take credit for it when he should be apologizing for tanking the 2017 season with most of the same players..

Is not destroying seat cushions part of a 12 step program?

--- End quote ---

You mean expressing an opinion like you are doing?

Wildhog:

--- Quote from: PorkRinds on March 02, 2018, 08:49:07 pm ---We have no idea what he said. Unless itís a direct quote itís hard to get too worked up about it.

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I assume the writer didn't just attribute words to Bielema that he didn't say.

Whether that's a fair assumption or not is debatable.

Wildhog:

--- Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 02, 2018, 08:49:39 pm ---Agree with what? An indirect quote which means we donít know his actual words nor the context. Seems dramatic to me.

But we do this to every coach that leaves.

--- End quote ---

I didn't wait for him to leave.  I haven't liked him since 2015.

Skandar Jackson:
Let's be honest.  Four years of wear and tear on his shoulder throwing the football, eating jelly sandwiches at halftime and cracking and eating lobsters. 

Most quarterbacks only have the stress of throwing.  Arkansas quarterbacks have to endure too much workload and repetitive motions.  Too much stress and strain.

ChitownHawg:

--- Quote from: Wildhog on March 02, 2018, 09:19:41 pm ---I didn't wait for him to leave.  I haven't liked him since 2015.

--- End quote ---

True.  You be hatin on him a while.  ;)

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