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2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« on: February 08, 2018, 11:23:47 am »

Just as with the O-Line post I made, this isn't necessarily in any particular order in terms of depth, though some are obvious. There is a good reason why we only went for 1 RB and 1 WR and zero TE's.

                    WR                               Slot                                   QB                                TE                                  WR
    Cornelius, R/Sr, 5-11, 212      Stewart, Jr, 5-11, 164        Kelley, R/So, 6-7, 258        Cantrell, Jr, 6-4, 269             Martin, Jr. 6-4, 215
     Pettway, R/Jr, 6-2, 220         Jones, R/So, 6-1, 184        Storey, R/Jr, 6-2, 212        Patton, R/Jr, 6-6, 240           Nance, Sr, 6-2, 187
     Warren, So, 5-10, 175         Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205       Hyatt, So, 6-4, 180         O'Grady, Jr, 6-4, 251           Jackson, So, 6-3, 215
     Boateng, So, 6-1, 190           Barnes, So, 5-11, 175         Noland, Fr, 6-3, 205          Kraus, Sr, 6-5, 252             Woods, Fr, 6-1, 188
     Enlow, R/So, 6-2, 202            Cross, R/Jr, 6-1, 185        Lindsey, R/So, 6-3, 218        Gragg, Jr, 6-4, 254             Morris, So, 6-1, 199
     Warnock, Sr, 5-11, 190          Gulledge, So, 5-9, 175      Proctor, R/So, 6-4, 211        Gunter, Jr, 6-6, 232
                                                                                    Jones, Fr. 5-10, 175        Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248

                                                          FB                                  RB
                                              Jackson, Sr, 6-1, 255         Whaley, Jr, 5-11, 216
                                              Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248         Hayden, So, 5-10, 195
                                                                                 M. Williams, So, 6-0, 230
                                                                                  Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205
                                                                                      Boyd, So, 5-11, 200
                                                                                  M. Barkley, So, 5-11, 190
                                                                                    Hobbs, R/So, 5-10, 220
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 11:39:26 am »

I can see, based on the number of players he has to work with, where Morris would be optimistic about what he could do with these position groups.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 11:57:57 am »

I can see, based on the number of players he has to work with, where Morris would be optimistic about what he could do with these position groups.

I met Chase Hayden about a month ago over here in Memphis.  He said his rehab has gone great and he'll be 100% for spring.  The kid looked good.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 12:00:21 pm »

I met Chase Hayden about a month ago over here in Memphis.  He said his rehab has gone great and he'll be 100% for spring.  The kid looked good.

That's great news! He should absolutely thrive in this offense.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 12:07:19 pm »

Cantrell would be awesome addition to the OL at G IMO.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 12:10:19 pm »

Cantrell would be awesome addition to the OL at G IMO.

If they moved him anywhere it might be to defense. DE or maybe LB? He would have a bigger and quicker impact there than he would on the O-Line.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 12:12:30 pm »

If they moved him anywhere it might be to defense. DE or maybe LB? He would have a bigger and quicker impact there than he would on the O-Line.

True. I didn't think about that move but you have a great point.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 12:23:52 pm »

Just as with the O-Line post I made, this isn't necessarily in any particular order in terms of depth, though some are obvious. There is a good reason why we only went for 1 RB and 1 WR and zero TE's.

                    WR                               Slot                                   QB                                TE                                  WR
    Cornelius, R/Sr, 5-11, 212      Stewart, Jr, 5-11, 164        Kelley, R/So, 6-7, 258        Cantrell, Jr, 6-4, 269             Martin, Jr. 6-4, 215
     Pettway, R/Jr, 6-2, 220         Jones, R/So, 6-1, 184        Storey, R/Jr, 6-2, 212        Patton, R/Jr, 6-6, 240           Nance, Sr, 6-2, 187
     Warren, So, 5-10, 175         Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205       Hyatt, So, 6-4, 180         O'Grady, Jr, 6-4, 251           Jackson, So, 6-3, 215
     Boateng, So, 6-1, 190           Barnes, So, 5-11, 175         Noland, Fr, 6-3, 205          Kraus, Sr, 6-5, 252             Woods, Fr, 6-1, 188
     Enlow, R/So, 6-2, 202            Cross, R/Jr, 6-1, 185        Lindsey, R/So, 6-3, 218        Gragg, Jr, 6-4, 254             Morris, So, 6-1, 199
     Warnock, Sr, 5-11, 190          Gulledge, So, 5-9, 175      Proctor, R/So, 6-4, 211        Gunter, Jr, 6-6, 232
                                                                                    Jones, Fr. 5-10, 175        Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248

                                                          FB                                  RB
                                              Jackson, Sr, 6-1, 255         Whaley, Jr, 5-11, 216
                                              Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248         Hayden, So, 5-10, 195
                                                                                 M. Williams, So, 6-0, 230
                                                                                  Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205
                                                                                      Boyd, Jr, 5-11, 200
                                                                                  M. Barkley, So, 5-11, 190
                                                                                    Hobbs, R/So, 5-10, 220

Any of those TE wanna play D?  lol
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 12:25:08 pm »

Cantrell would be awesome addition to the OL at G IMO.

I think he would be a better DE than anywhere on the OLine
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 12:32:22 pm »

I can see, based on the number of players he has to work with, where Morris would be optimistic about what he could do with these position groups.

And the fact that from the time Morris walked in, he could start looking at the skill guys he KNEW he had. So he could start evaluating those immediately--vs being light in all those areas and relying on the incoming class and a short recruiting period for him.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2018, 12:54:00 pm »

Interesting look. One thing I will say, and don't know what efforts they put into doing so, with all the TEs being JRs and a SR, it would seem bringing in at least one or two this year would have been prudent.


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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 01:12:17 pm »

There is a lot of talent in these groups. Excited to see what Morris can do with them.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 01:21:43 pm »

Interesting look. One thing I will say, and don't know what efforts they put into doing so, with all the TEs being JRs and a SR, it would seem bringing in at least one or two this year would have been prudent.


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That class ranking is what they will be in the 2018 season, so they still have time. With as few spots as we had available and considering these kids have another year or two, they probably didn't think spending one on a TE was a good idea at this time.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 01:44:35 pm »

Gunter RS last year, will be a Sophomore. And he's my pick to thrive in this offense, at least down the line. Next year is just dependent upon who picks up the offense better and who is in the best shape
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 01:47:19 pm »

Hard to believe we have one WR at 6'4..

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2018, 01:47:39 pm »

Once again, no love for TJ.  When will people learn?
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2018, 01:57:29 pm »

Once again, no love for TJ.  When will people learn?

Just as with the O-Line post I made, this isn't necessarily in any particular order in terms of depth, though some are obvious. There is a good reason why we only went for 1 RB and 1 WR and zero TE's.

Read.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2018, 02:11:40 pm »

And the fact that from the time Morris walked in, he could start looking at the skill guys he KNEW he had. So he could start evaluating those immediately--vs being light in all those areas and relying on the incoming class and a short recruiting period for him.

Which again, and I know we've beat this horse to death...but WTH happened with Bielema's last year?

That team he had last year was so much better than their w/l total.

Truly mind boggling.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2018, 03:08:36 pm »

That class ranking is what they will be in the 2018 season, so they still have time. With as few spots as we had available and considering these kids have another year or two, they probably didn't think spending one on a TE was a good idea at this time.

Understood, I'm not faulting them. But waiting til next season means the next crop will have only one year of exp when they take the lead, plus you have to refill with a bigger crew, leading to another bubble. Unless some of those JRs redshirt, which is not the norm for late class guys. As I haven't looked at his offense in depth, TEs may not be as big a part of CM's puzzle as they were with BB. I trust them to do what they think is best. Just an observation.


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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2018, 03:20:31 pm »

Just as with the O-Line post I made, this isn't necessarily in any particular order in terms of depth, though some are obvious. There is a good reason why we only went for 1 RB and 1 WR and zero TE's.

                    WR                               Slot                                   QB                                TE                                  WR
    Cornelius, R/Sr, 5-11, 212      Stewart, Jr, 5-11, 164        Kelley, R/So, 6-7, 258        Cantrell, Jr, 6-4, 269             Martin, Jr. 6-4, 215
     Pettway, R/Jr, 6-2, 220         Jones, R/So, 6-1, 184        Storey, R/Jr, 6-2, 212        Patton, R/Jr, 6-6, 240           Nance, Sr, 6-2, 187
     Warren, So, 5-10, 175         Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205       Hyatt, So, 6-4, 180         O'Grady, Jr, 6-4, 251           Jackson, So, 6-3, 215
     Boateng, So, 6-1, 190           Barnes, So, 5-11, 175         Noland, Fr, 6-3, 205          Kraus, Sr, 6-5, 252             Woods, Fr, 6-1, 188
     Enlow, R/So, 6-2, 202            Cross, R/Jr, 6-1, 185        Lindsey, R/So, 6-3, 218        Gragg, Jr, 6-4, 254             Morris, So, 6-1, 199
     Warnock, Sr, 5-11, 190          Gulledge, So, 5-9, 175      Proctor, R/So, 6-4, 211        Gunter, Jr, 6-6, 232
                                                                                    Jones, Fr. 5-10, 175        Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248

                                                          FB                                  RB
                                              Jackson, Sr, 6-1, 255         Whaley, Jr, 5-11, 216
                                              Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248         Hayden, So, 5-10, 195
                                                                                 M. Williams, So, 6-0, 230
                                                                                  Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205
                                                                                      Boyd, Jr, 5-11, 200
                                                                                  M. Barkley, So, 5-11, 190
                                                                                    Hobbs, R/So, 5-10, 220

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2018, 03:58:13 pm »

In today's gazette, I thought I read that Boyd had 3 years to play 3.  Anyone know for sure?
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 03:58:44 pm »

Understood, I'm not faulting them. But waiting til next season means the next crop will have only one year of exp when they take the lead, plus you have to refill with a bigger crew, leading to another bubble. Unless some of those JRs redshirt, which is not the norm for late class guys. As I haven't looked at his offense in depth, TEs may not be as big a part of CM's puzzle as they were with BB. I trust them to do what they think is best. Just an observation.


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I think that with so few scholarships to hand out this recruiting season they were forced to make a decision about what they needed more than another. In an ideal world I am sure they might have added a TE.
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 04:15:01 pm »

Cantrell would be awesome addition to the OL at G IMO.

Before he became I TE here I thought he would actually be a ML.  But then the weight went on.  He also played DE in HS if memory serves.
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 04:20:57 pm »

Before he became I TE here I thought he would actually be a ML.  But then the weight went on.  He also played DE in HS if memory serves.

He was much better at TE in HS than DE though. He would be serviceable as a DE here I thin, but he is a good TE at this level with potential to be great.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2018, 04:43:09 pm »

Which again, and I know we've beat this horse to death...but WTH happened with Bielema's last year?

That team he had last year was so much better than their w/l total.

Truly mind boggling.
It felt like to me that the team quit on him.  Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 04:44:09 pm »

In today's gazette, I thought I read that Boyd had 3 years to play 3.  Anyone know for sure?
That is correct.
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2018, 07:21:23 pm »

And Hyatt is a RS Fr
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2018, 07:23:33 pm »

With us being 4 over the 85 man limit right now it is particularly hard to project any kind of depth chart.
But, with 15 receivers, 5 quarterbacks, 7 tight ends and 7 running backs I think we might have an idea of where some of our attrition could come from.

I had no idea we had so many skill position players on scholarship! Think about this, we have 5 QB's on scholarship and not 1 of them is a senior and the same with the running backs except there is 7 of them!!! Right at 30 skill guys juniors or younger.(4 seniors-2 receivers, 1 fullback and 1 tight end)
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 12:31:00 am »

With us being 4 over the 85 man limit right now it is particularly hard to project any kind of depth chart.
But, with 15 receivers, 5 quarterbacks, 7 tight ends and 7 running backs I think we might have an idea of where some of our attrition could come from.

I had no idea we had so many skill position players on scholarship! Think about this, we have 5 QB's on scholarship and not 1 of them is a senior and the same with the running backs except there is 7 of them!!! Right at 30 skill guys juniors or younger.(4 seniors-2 receivers, 1 fullback and 1 tight end)

We have a 4th year qb in Storey, a third year qb in Kelley, a 2nd year qb in Hyatt, and then we would have had a first year in Noland but Morris went out and signed Jones as well. That's basically the blueprint every program dreams of having.

At RB, we are thin due to RW3's injury. We would have had a 4th year in Rawleigh, we have third years in Whaley and Hammonds, 2nd years in Hayden and Maleek Williams, and then another first year in the new JUCO signed. That's only 5 including the new signee. Not sure where you are getting 7 from unless you are counting the two fullbacks. Also, Barkely is a WR. They may try him for a week or so at RB, but I'd be surprised if he stays there through the spring game and if he does, he's going to be a sixth string guy at the position until they sign some more next year and he can move back.

TE's we do have a lot of. They are incredible weapons to have. However, we only have 6. 2 Seniors in Kraus and Patton (Kraus was a strong candidate to transfer last year and could move on this year), 3 Juniors in Gragg, O'Grady, and Cantrell, and a Sophomore in Gunter. Musk projected our FB to a TE role under Morris, but he's a FB first and foremost. Listing him there is like saying we have two scholarship punters including Cole Kelley. Sure, he is listed as the backup punter, but he's a qb, first and foremost. Also, he redshirted this season after playing as a true freshmen, so he's only a sophomore, not a junior.

At WR, we do have a lot of scholly players, but even under Bielema, we frequently went 3 wide. We have 1 5th year senior in Cornelius, a 2nd year senior in Nance, 4th year juniors in Pettway and Stewart, a 2nd year Junior in Martin, 3rd year sophomore in Boateng, and 4 2nd year players In Warren, Jackson, Barnes, and Barkley. Plus a first year in the new recruit Woods. That's 11 scholly players there. Many of the players Musk listed are walk-ons though Cross and Warnock could easily earn scholarships in sooner rather than later as they are quite talented. However, that's just enough for a 3 deep if we are 3 wide and a 2 deep if we go 4 wide with scholly players. Hardly too many.

EDIT: I see where you are getting some of your inflated numbers from now. Many of Musk's two deepers are walk on players. Such as Hobbs, Morris, Gulledge, etc...
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 12:32:12 am »

Just as with the O-Line post I made, this isn't necessarily in any particular order in terms of depth, though some are obvious. There is a good reason why we only went for 1 RB and 1 WR and zero TE's.

                    WR                               Slot                                   QB                                TE                                  WR
    Cornelius, R/Sr, 5-11, 212      Stewart, Jr, 5-11, 164        Kelley, R/So, 6-7, 258        Cantrell, Jr, 6-4, 269             Martin, Jr. 6-4, 215
     Pettway, R/Jr, 6-2, 220         Jones, R/So, 6-1, 184        Storey, R/Jr, 6-2, 212        Patton, R/Jr, 6-6, 240           Nance, Sr, 6-2, 187
     Warren, So, 5-10, 175         Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205       Hyatt, So, 6-4, 180         O'Grady, Jr, 6-4, 251           Jackson, So, 6-3, 215
     Boateng, So, 6-1, 190           Barnes, So, 5-11, 175         Noland, Fr, 6-3, 205          Kraus, Sr, 6-5, 252             Woods, Fr, 6-1, 188
     Enlow, R/So, 6-2, 202            Cross, R/Jr, 6-1, 185        Lindsey, R/So, 6-3, 218        Gragg, Jr, 6-4, 254             Morris, So, 6-1, 199
     Warnock, Sr, 5-11, 190          Gulledge, So, 5-9, 175      Proctor, R/So, 6-4, 211        Gunter, Jr, 6-6, 232
                                                                                    Jones, Fr. 5-10, 175        Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248

                                                          FB                                  RB
                                              Jackson, Sr, 6-1, 255         Whaley, Jr, 5-11, 216
                                              Johnson, Jr, 6-3, 248         Hayden, So, 5-10, 195
                                                                                 M. Williams, So, 6-0, 230
                                                                                  Hammonds, Jr, 5-10, 205
                                                                                      Boyd, So, 5-11, 200
                                                                                  M. Barkley, So, 5-11, 190
                                                                                    Hobbs, R/So, 5-10, 220

Gunter is a Sophomore, redshirting this season after playing as a true freshmen. Also, given that many don't include walk-ons, might be worth noting that you included the walk-ons in this depth chart which is throwing some posters off about our scholly numbers.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 05:08:45 am »

Gunter is a Sophomore, redshirting this season after playing as a true freshmen. Also, given that many don't include walk-ons, might be worth noting that you included the walk-ons in this depth chart which is throwing some posters off about our scholly numbers.

My bad, I should have been more clear. I was simply trying to list everyone (still might have missed someone) because walk-ons can compete for playing time as well.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 05:26:30 am »

Too many have taken the results that CBB saw on the field as a reflection of the amount of talent on our roster and I just did not see it.  I have zero doubt that the snake Bobby P would have won at least 8-9 games last year.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 06:33:58 am »

Benny,
I somewhat agree with your numbers, but the fact that almost NONE of our skill players are seniors means that the numbers will only increase next year. It doesn't appear to me that stockpiling numbers only to see kids transfer out due to the shear numbers on the depth chart is the way to go. Also, sorry about including some of the walk-ons, just didn't pay close enough attention.

I also understand that Morris is playing the hand he was dealt and hopefully his roster management skills are much better than BB's. To me it is pretty simple, you have 22 starters and you should recruit a replacement for each one of them every year leaving 3 scholarships for special kids. Yes, even then you will have some attrition just to stay in the 85 man limit. You should have a reasonable sized senior class every year with the occasional junior leaving early for the draft.

I also understand that you cannot always get an exact 22 replacements every year, but staying as close to that as possible should be the goal. Am I wrong?
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 07:34:36 am »

EDIT: I see where you are getting some of your inflated numbers from now. Many of Musk's two deepers are walk on players. Such as Hobbs, Morris, Gulledge, etc...

Name those in the two deep that are currently walk on players? At RB we have 6 without Hobbs, who is a walk on.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 01:39:51 pm »

Name those in the two deep that are currently walk on players? At RB we have 6 without Hobbs, who is a walk on.

Sorry, I wasn't PC enough. I should have said your 5-7 deep. I just used the colloquial "2 deep" in reference to your OP post showing the players we have at offensive skill positions.
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2018, 02:42:04 pm »

Add K Jackson to Wr and I see 12, +5 QB's, + 2 FB + 6 RB + 6 TE and you have 31 kids or 36% of your 85 man limit in 5 positions.

Of that you have 4 seniors so if you add just 2 at WR, 1 QB, 1 RB and 1 TE we will have a net gain of +1 to the skill positions. My guess is that we try to add more than 2 at receiver.

It just seems crazy to stockpile kids, redshirt them and have them transfers as juniors or grad transfers. Three years of investment gone because kids see no future in staying.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2018, 02:52:04 pm »

Benny,
I somewhat agree with your numbers, but the fact that almost NONE of our skill players are seniors means that the numbers will only increase next year. It doesn't appear to me that stockpiling numbers only to see kids transfer out due to the shear numbers on the depth chart is the way to go. Also, sorry about including some of the walk-ons, just didn't pay close enough attention.

Would you prefer us to have <85 scholarships on the roster? I'm confused at what you are saying.

DB's: 15 on scholly, 5 starting positions
5th: 2, 4th: 3, 3rd: 4, 2nd: 3, 1st: 6
Pretty even distribution, 5th years are always going to be lower, and a heavy first year due to those extra special players this year were all at DB.

DL: 10 on scholly, 3 starting positions
5th: , 4th: 4, 3rd: 1, 2nd: 4, 1st: 1
Petrino's last class was very heavy on DL, combine that with early departures, a couple not working out, JUCOS being counted as their class rather than how long they have been here, and Froholdt moving to OL and thus, this is awkwardly staggered. Plus, quality DL players are rare, so they are hard to come by in the first place.

LB: 14 on scholly, 3-4 starting positions (depending on nickel formation or not)
5th: 1, 4th: 1, 3rd: 3, 2nd: 5, 1st: 4
Evenly distributed over the past 3 seasons, but lacking in players that are 4th and 5th years. In 2013, we couldn't really redshirt players because Lake was our best LB left so Ellis played as a true freshmen and JUCOS were signed including Spaight. As for 4th years, Hackett couldn't hack it, Eugene played very well for us, and Ramsey had to leave for a bit and is now a third year player as of 2017. Also, another JUCO was signed to give us some immediate depth which there were no SEC LB's on the roster left for CBB.

DEFENSE OVERALL: DB depth and talent is improved, LB depth is greatly improved, but Bielema didn't recruit very smoothly at DL.

OL: 16 scholarship players, 5 starting positions.
5th: 1, 4th: 5, 3rd: 4, 2nd: 2, 1st: 4
Pretty even distribution. Not many 5th years, but those are expected to be lower anyways. Plus, 2013, we were starting 2 true freshmen, one of which left early. It's not perfectly uniform, but there's always interannual variability in what players are there from year to year.

FB: 2 on scholly, 1 starting position
5th: n/a, 4th: n/a, 3rd: 1, 2nd: 1, 1st: n/a
Not super even, but you don't want to have 4-5 scholarships dedicated to the fullback in this day an age either.

QB: 4 on scholly, 1 starting position
5th: 1, 4th: , 3rd: 1, 2nd: 1, 1st: 1
Almost a perfect distribution, with only Peavey missing in that 4th spot. Higher ratio of scholarships to positions in large part due to the importance of the position. 4-5 is generally the sweet spot. You don't want to have 3 or less and 7 is way too many. You expect to have somebody missing in that 3-4th year spot though due to transfer for playing time.

RB: 5 on scholly, 1 starting spot
5th: 1, 4th: , 3rd: , 2nd: 2, 1st: 2
A bit light on scholarships as this spot is subject to injury and needs depth for rotation. Would have been fine had RW3 stayed. Lacking in upperclassmen due to Evans not panning out and Day and RW3 suffering from injuries. However, the group is in better shape now than it was 5 years ago. with depth.

TE: 6 on scholly, 2 starting spots
5th: , 4th: 1, 3rd: 4, 2nd: 2, 1st:
Not very well spread out, but largely due to variability of players. I mean, that class with Cantrell, O'Grady, and Gragg was killer, where those extra scholarships went to sign the very TE rich class that year. No freshmen TE due to the backlog, but Patton was signed (counted in the third year due to JUCO) because again, #1 TE in the country, you don't turn that away. So, not super well balanced, but more balanced than I actually expected coming in. Morris did mess up IMO not signing a freshmen TE this year though. Though with him not using them as much, perhaps he didn't care about a 2 year gap with no freshmen TE's.

WR: 11 on scholly, 3 starting positions
5th: , 4th: 1, 3rd: 4, 2nd: 3, 1st: 4
Similar to OL, not left with a ton of players here coming in, so true freshmen were played and JUCOs were signed early on to compensate. Thus, a lack of seniors on this team at the position. Otherwise, the last 3 years have been pretty well balanced.

Overall, looking at the breakdown, It's pretty much exactly as you'd wished for. The only 3 positions with exceptions are TE and DB where there were super talent rich players wanting to come here that you don't pass up and DL which Bielema did not recruit very well for. Otherwise, you see a lack of senior players this one year due largely in part to needing to play true freshmen and sign JUCOs in those first two years. The last 3 classes were well balanced and it shows in this breakdown with again, DL being the sore spot.

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I also understand that Morris is playing the hand he was dealt and hopefully his roster management skills are much better than BB's. To me it is pretty simple, you have 22 starters and you should recruit a replacement for each one of them every year leaving 3 scholarships for special kids. Yes, even then you will have some attrition just to stay in the 85 man limit. You should have a reasonable sized senior class every year with the occasional junior leaving early for the draft.

I also understand that you cannot always get an exact 22 replacements every year, but staying as close to that as possible should be the goal. Am I wrong?

Not sure how one could get much better. The numbers above are what they are. Morris, unlike Bielema, isn't inheriting a talent poor team full of first year starters. So, he won't need to sign a ton of JUCO's early on or play a bunch of true freshmen. Heck, outside of the DL, he could very realistically not start a single of his own signees for 2 years at any position save DL where we will need some help. However, looking at the last 3 years of recruiting under Bielema, and you see a pretty well spaced and well managed roster with the only big issues being from the dearth of JUCOs and lack of redshirting those first two seasons.

Also, I disagree that having players transfer due to depth is a bad thing. At the end of the day, there are only 3 ways to manage a roster. 1. Have virtually zero attrition in the first place leading to smaller recruiting classes. However, even Saban and his gaudy classes are filled with more misses than hits. So, this isn't ideal. You want to be able to sign full classes to maximize your chances of hits and be able to remove the misses from the roster. Which leads to 2. Involuntary attrition. This can be injuries, law breaking, or forced dismissal of some other kind. This is bad for locker morale and you don't get to keep your best players and only lose your worst in this situation. 3. Voluntary attrition. You sign 25 kids each year, but not all of them will pan out. The student-athletes that have been there a few years, and aren't seeing playing time, passed up by younger hits, it can usually be best for them to move to a lower level of competition where they will actually get to play while freeing up spots on your roster. See players like Denzel Evans or Marks at rb and dt respectively. Players transferring due to being buried on the depth chart is the ideal situation. Beats out signing small classes or losing players to injury/bad behavior which are the only other two options.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 03:05:14 pm »

Add K Jackson to Wr and I see 12, +5 QB's, + 2 FB + 6 RB + 6 TE and you have 31 kids or 36% of your 85 man limit in 5 positions.

Of that you have 4 seniors so if you add just 2 at WR, 1 QB, 1 RB and 1 TE we will have a net gain of +1 to the skill positions. My guess is that we try to add more than 2 at receiver.

It just seems crazy to stockpile kids, redshirt them and have them transfers as juniors or grad transfers. Three years of investment gone because kids see no future in staying.

Jackson was already listed. Only 5 at RB (Whaley, Hayden, Hammonds, Williams, and Boyd). If you count Barkley as the 6th then your WR count should drop to 11. So that's 35% of the available scholarship positions. However, what percent of starting spots is that? Defense generally has 12 major starting positions (front 7, back 4, and a nickel starter), while offenses today have about 13 (5 OL, 3WR, FB, RB, QB, TE, TE/WR). So, those 35% of scholarships are accounting for about 32% of starting positions. Factor in the needed depth at RB and QB and it's pretty proportional. Same way on defense you want your DL to have more depth than other positions of defense.

Listing those as "5 positions" is like saying "OL" is only 1 position...
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 03:21:28 pm »

I met Chase Hayden about a month ago over here in Memphis.  He said his rehab has gone great and he'll be 100% for spring.  The kid looked good.

Did Chase say what the injury was?  All I saw was lower leg
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 05:50:04 pm »

Sorry, I wasn't PC enough. I should have said your 5-7 deep. I just used the colloquial "2 deep" in reference to your OP post showing the players we have at offensive skill positions.

It's wasn't a matter of "PC". You just misspoke. We all make mistakes, just like my mistake on Gunter's eligibility level.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 06:09:49 pm »

It's wasn't a matter of "PC". You just misspoke. We all make mistakes, just like my mistake on Gunter's eligibility level.

Neither is 99% of what people complain about with "PC" these days. Most people just use willy nilly, so I thought I'd try it that way too.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2018, 07:13:58 pm »

Benny, DB's equals 4 spots---2 safeties and 2 corners unless you go to a 3rd corner.
Chavis has said repeatedly that he is a base 4-3 guy so again 4 spots not 3.

You can try to massage the numbers if you want, but over 30% of your roster tied up in 5 positions seems a bit heavy to me. Silly me, I thought that there were 22 separate positions, I know that a guard can play either side of center, but you still have to have 2 of them on the field at the same time.

Are you trying to say that WR, QB, RB, FB and TE are not 5 different positions? Please explain that one for me, I did call them the "SKILL" positions, something that I have heard them called for 50 years. What do you call those positions?

Beside this whole discussion is moot due to the fact that at least 5 players have to exit the system before next season. That will change the numbers.
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2018, 08:12:29 pm »

Benny, DB's equals 4 spots---2 safeties and 2 corners unless you go to a 3rd corner.
Chavis has said repeatedly that he is a base 4-3 guy so again 4 spots not 3.

You can try to massage the numbers if you want, but over 30% of your roster tied up in 5 positions seems a bit heavy to me. Silly me, I thought that there were 22 separate positions, I know that a guard can play either side of center, but you still have to have 2 of them on the field at the same time.

Are you trying to say that WR, QB, RB, FB and TE are not 5 different positions? Please explain that one for me, I did call them the "SKILL" positions, something that I have heard them called for 50 years. What do you call those positions?

Beside this whole discussion is moot due to the fact that at least 5 players have to exit the system before next season. That will change the numbers.

WR is a single position same way DB is one position.

In general, DB equals 5 spots. Boundary CB, field CB, strong S, free S, and nickelback. Your nickelback isn't just your third best corner either. Different skills and requirements in the slot vs on the outside. Further, yeah, Chavis is a base 4-3, but he'll still use the nickel frequently enough to need to have a starter to play there.

It's not massaging the numbers, it's being accurate. Those 5 "positions" make up 8 starting spots on the roster. Listing WR as a single position is like complaining about having 24 spots on the roster occupying just two positions, OL and DL.

As a coach, you should strive to have a 3 deep at most every position.

QB: 3
RB: 6
FB: 3
WR: 9-12
TE: 6
OL: 15
DL: 12
LB: 9
DB: 15

That totals 78 giving you 7 extra scholarships, where you'll want 1-2 more qbs, a couple more DL and LB'ers, a kicker, LS, and P. A few groups like OL that rarely rotate out in a game and where a single player can often play multiple positions, a few less than 3 deep is okay. DL, otoh, a SDE can't usually play a rush DE or a NT can't play DT very well and you want to be able to rotate them freely so a full 3 deep is usually a minimum.

You won't see a whole lot of variation from this. Maybe if you only ever have 1 TE on the field, you keep that at 4 instead of 6, of if you use a fb on <half of your snaps, 2 instead of 3. Slight variations based on need and year to year variations on how many talented players at that position want to play for you in given year.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2018, 03:43:48 am »

How, in the year of our Lord (Vader) 2018, is there still not a user friendly way to insert a table into a post on Hogville?
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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2018, 04:05:00 am »

Sorry, I wasn't PC enough. I should have said your 5-7 deep. I just used the colloquial "2 deep" in reference to your OP post showing the players we have at offensive skill positions.
What does being PC have to do with your misinterpretation of the depth chart?
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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 01:47:16 pm »

QB - Cole Kelley, Ty Storey, Daulton Hyatt, Conner Noland, Jack Lindsey, John Stephen Jones.

RB - Devwah Whaley, TJ Hammonds, Chase Hayden, Rakeem Boyd, Maleek Williams.

WR1- Jared Cornelius, Jonathan Nance, Jarrod Barnes, Kofi Boateng.

WR2 - Brandon Martin, Koilan Jackson, Michael Woods, Gary Cross.

WR3 - Deon Stewart, Jordan Jones, De'Vion Warren, Maleek Barkley.

TE - Jeremy Patton, Cheyenne O'Grady, Austin Cantrell, Will Gragg, Jack Kraus.


Is LaMichael Pettway still on the team?  ???
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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2018, 01:50:47 pm »

QB - Cole Kelley, Ty Storey, Daulton Hyatt, Conner Noland, Jack Lindsey, John Stephen Jones.

RB - Devwah Whaley, TJ Hammonds, Chase Hayden, Rakeem Boyd, Maleek Williams.

WR1- Jared Cornelius, Jonathan Nance, Jarrod Barnes, Kofi Boateng.

WR2 - Brandon Martin, Koilan Jackson, Michael Woods, Gary Cross.

WR3 - Deon Stewart, Jordan Jones, De'Vion Warren, Maleek Barkley.

TE - Jeremy Patton, Cheyenne O'Grady, Austin Cantrell, Will Gragg, Jack Kraus.


Is LaMichael Pettway still on the team?  ???

Forgot Gunter at TE. IMO he'd be in front of Gragg. Also, Maleek isn't going to be sitting behind a WR at RB.
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2018, 03:15:04 pm »

It felt like to me that the team quit on him.  Just my thoughts.

I guess. I don't think they ever recovered from the Auburn ass whipping, and the 2 late game collapses in 2016. It's just crazy.

And Bielema was known as a player's coach, even while here.

What a disaster 2017 was. I don't know if we'll ever get a full picture of what happened.
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Re: 2018 Arkansas WR's, QB's, TE's and RB's Depth Chart
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2018, 04:37:49 pm »

Muskogee, great job putting these depth charts together. I keep coming back to look at this one and see what everyone is saying.

The thing I'm sorta stuck on…while the depth is certainly evident, because of what we saw in 2017, do we really know what we have?…do we have an absolute go-to WR? Nance maybe, and Cornelius returns. Who are the top 2 RBs? I keep thinking about not having Rawleigh last year, then I wonder what a difference he would have made, given everything else (o-line, etc). A little?…a lot? Can another QB emerge to challenge Kelly? We sure have a good variety of shapes and sizes at that position.

I know a lot of this will get worked out in the Spring. Morris has a big box of toys to play with.

In a nutshell…the "quantity" is good, and I think the "quality" is good. But are there some guys who are great?
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