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2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« on: February 08, 2018, 10:23:22 am »

Now of course we have no idea where anyone is going to be playing after Fry's evaluation and restructuring, so most of this is just going by last year. Ideally I think you need 17-18 scholarship O-Linemen for developmental purposes over time and to provide excellent depth so that when the #1 comes out, there is little drop off in production when #2 comes in to take his place. I'm pretty certain that we are not at that place at this time, but that doesn't mean that we can't get there eventually.

Take a look at this list of names in these positions and feel free to jump in and speculate about "who" might play "where". Pay no attention to the posted weights. I feel certain that those are likely to change and some more than others. By the way, the 2 and 3 deep isn't necessarily in any particular projected order.

I think we will see Malone and Hays move back to the OL. Hopefully, I listed everyone.

                     LT                                       LG                                     C                                            RG                                      RT
     C. Jackson, Sr, 6-5, 298          H. Froholdt, Sr, 6-5, 311          D. Hays, R/So, 6-3, 298              J. Gibson, Sr, 6-4, 333          B. Wallace, Sr, 6-6, 337
     D. Wagner, R/Fr, 6-9, 311         D. Malone, Sr., 6-3, 304            T. Clary, So, 6-4, 290                J. Merrick, Jr, 6-4, 322         R. Winkel, Fr., 6-6, 286
     S. Clenin, R/Fr, 6-6, 300            T. Hall, R/So, 6-4, 296            J. Hannah, Sr, 6-2, 305             K. Adcock, R/Fr, 6-5, 288      S. Robinson, Fr, 6-4, 300
       N. Gatlin, Fr, 6-7, 300                                                                                                     A. Horn, R/Fr, 6-2, 329

Additionally, I might add that we have a lot of 1st team experience returning this season. If they can be coached and motivated to embrace this new offensive scheme and become more mobile through the Morris conditioning program, we might see a lot better production from them than we did last season. It is going to present them with better blocking angles and there isn't a single O-Lineman that doesn't love that.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 11:18:11 am »

Mark my words, before the offseason is over, we will hear about Austin Cantrell being tried at LT
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 11:28:44 am »

Solid looking on paper but I want that mean streak to return !
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 11:36:58 am »

Solid looking on paper but I want that mean streak to return !

After the way last season ended, would you be P.O.'d and generally have a case of the arse going into this season? I would. Bet they will too.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 11:40:40 am »

I think the best OL on the team is wearing #41 and playing NG. JMO.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 11:46:11 am »

I think the best OL on the team is wearing #41 and playing NG. JMO.

I think there will be some pretty extensive evaluation done over the next 60 days or so. I'm sure that if they feel like you do, the move will be made. They are going to have to get the two-deep line some action this season to prepare them for next year. 4 Seniors across the front with little experience behind them.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 11:56:06 am »

I think there will be some pretty extensive evaluation done over the next 60 days or so. I'm sure that if they feel like you do, the move will be made. They are going to have to get the two-deep line some action this season to prepare them for next year. 4 Seniors across the front with little experience behind them.

I'm sure you're correct.

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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 12:17:14 pm »

I think the best OL on the team is wearing #41 and playing NG. JMO.

I agree 100% but the D Line depth has to be taken in to consideration to move #41 to offense.  I think that depends somewhat on where Agim ends up - DE or DT.  If Watts can be a competent 2nd team contributor at DT, then moving Capps to offense is easier. 

The starting DL could look like this:
DE - Agim
DT - J. Marshall
DT - B. Guidry
DE - M. Taylor

That's not a bad starting DL but not much depth behind that. If the Juco DE ends up committing, he's a starter from day 1 on campus. Also, Cantrell was mentioned previously about getting a shot at OT, but I think he'd make a nasty DE in the 4-3.

Also,
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 12:30:04 pm »

I agree 100% but the D Line depth has to be taken in to consideration to move #41 to offense.  I think that depends somewhat on where Agim ends up - DE or DT.  If Watts can be a competent 2nd team contributor at DT, then moving Capps to offense is easier. 

The starting DL could look like this:
DE - Agim
DT - J. Marshall
DT - B. Guidry
DE - M. Taylor

That's not a bad starting DL but not much depth behind that. If the Juco DE ends up committing, he's a starter from day 1 on campus. Also, Cantrell was mentioned previously about getting a shot at OT, but I think he'd make a nasty DE in the 4-3.

Also,

Chavis has already said that Agim is going to be a DE.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 12:35:00 pm »

I guess if the new coaches want OL expertise they just need to look here.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2018, 12:37:38 pm »

I agree 100% but the D Line depth has to be taken in to consideration to move #41 to offense.  I think that depends somewhat on where Agim ends up - DE or DT.  If Watts can be a competent 2nd team contributor at DT, then moving Capps to offense is easier. 

The starting DL could look like this:
DE - Agim
DT - J. Marshall
DT - B. Guidry
DE - M. Taylor

That's not a bad starting DL but not much depth behind that. If the Juco DE ends up committing, he's a starter from day 1 on campus. Also, Cantrell was mentioned previously about getting a shot at OT, but I think he'd make a nasty DE in the 4-3.

Also,

Ferrell should be starting.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 12:54:58 pm »

Mark my words, before the offseason is over, we will hear about Austin Cantrell being tried at LT
This actually wouldn't shock me either... He is the one player who has seen significant playing time so far that for whatever reason I have no idea where he fits in this new offense.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 01:07:42 pm »

Ferrell should be starting.

You can't be serious.. he played 3A football last year he is going too need some time to adjust .. he is never played against 1 lineman of SEC caliber . Much less 5 of them at once ... I'm sure he will develope and be a fine hog but too expect for him too come in and start as a freshman is being unfair too him and you..
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 01:55:41 pm »

I don't think Johnny Gibson starts. He's too big and slow. Morris wants strong and quick linemen.
Plus, there were a number of players at various positions that got in Bielema's doghouse and never got out. Bielema played favorites with certain players. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jalen Merrick unseat Gibson at RG.

Froholdt has the skills to have a great senior season in this offense.

Wallace needs to drop weight as well. He's lost a step over the last two seasons because he bulked up to block in a pro-style offense...which became more of a spread offense that most of the linemen were not built for.

Colton Jackson should be worried, because if he doesn't work harder to get quicker, and get stronger in his hips, one of those redshirt freshmen is going to take the LT job away from him. My money is on Shane Clenin, or Dalton Wagner.

As for the center position, losing Rogers and Heinrich hurt. A couple of new players will need to be trained. Deion Malone is a senior and could provide some leadership if given a chance. I like Ty Clary here, too. And Silas Robinson, but he should redshirt.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 02:03:06 pm »

I agree 100% but the D Line depth has to be taken in to consideration to move #41 to offense.  I think that depends somewhat on where Agim ends up - DE or DT.  If Watts can be a competent 2nd team contributor at DT, then moving Capps to offense is easier. 

The starting DL could look like this:
DE - Agim
DT - J. Marshall
DT - B. Guidry
DE - M. Taylor

That's not a bad starting DL but not much depth behind that. If the Juco DE ends up committing, he's a starter from day 1 on campus. Also, Cantrell was mentioned previously about getting a shot at OT, but I think he'd make a nasty DE in the 4-3.

Also,

DE - McTelvin Agim, All-SEC stud written all over him!
DT - Austin Capps, has the ability to be a true run stuffer.
DT - TJ Smith, He was already 6'3" and 290 last year, imagine what he could do at DT at 300-305 with his speed! 
DE - Jamario Bell, another player that was in Bielema's doghouse, managed to get out, then was injured. He may find a new beginning under Chavis' tutelage. He has the ability to be an SEc caliber pass rusher.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2018, 02:06:32 pm »

I thought Maleek Williams redshirted last year.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2018, 02:29:53 pm »

I thought Maleek Williams redshirted last year.

Check the thread on RB depth.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2018, 02:43:59 pm »

By the way, with his demonstrated agility and mobility on film, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't convince Fulwider to make the change to the big dollar NFL position of LT on offense. I think he has a great future as a LT.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2018, 07:36:41 pm »

Biddy thinks TJ could easily drop some weigh and be another big time DE. Said he struggled to get to 290 and hold the weight.

We have tackles with Capps, Watts, Marshall and Guidry we just don't have much depth AT ALL!
I think your ends will be Agim, Smith, Bell, Taylor and maybe Richardson moves over from LB?? Ramsey needs to put on some weight unless he wants to be a 3rd down blitz type guy. Getting a guy like Gerald would surely help.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2018, 08:32:23 pm »

Check with FOTH, but I'd bet Clenin will be one of the starting 5 on the OL.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2018, 08:14:21 pm »

Check with FOTH, but I'd bet Clenin will be one of the starting 5 on the OL.

We will see. I'd like to see his measurables after this off season of conditioning and weight lifting. I know that the past staff thought a lot of him and were wise enough to give him a R/S year to develop.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2018, 08:30:09 pm »

Might wanna plug Dorian Gerald in there somewhere MHF

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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2018, 08:43:45 pm »

I think the best OL on the team is wearing #41 and playing NG. JMO.


Yep.  He reminds me of my old teammate and all SEC OT  Verl Mitchell.
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2018, 08:56:24 pm »

Now of course we have no idea where anyone is going to be playing after Fry's evaluation and restructuring, so most of this is just going by last year. Ideally I think you need 17-18 scholarship O-Linemen for developmental purposes over time and to provide excellent depth so that when the #1 comes out, there is little drop off in production when #2 comes in to take his place. I'm pretty certain that we are not at that place at this time, but that doesn't mean that we can't get there eventually.

Take a look at this list of names in these positions and feel free to jump in and speculate about "who" might play "where". Pay no attention to the posted weights. I feel certain that those are likely to change and some more than others. By the way, the 2 and 3 deep isn't necessarily in any particular projected order.

I think we will see Malone and Hays move back to the OL. Hopefully, I listed everyone.

                     LT                                       LG                                     C                                            RG                                      RT
     C. Jackson, Sr, 6-5, 298          H. Froholdt, Sr, 6-5, 311          D. Hays, R/So, 6-3, 298              J. Gibson, Sr, 6-4, 333          B. Wallace, Sr, 6-6, 337
     D. Wagner, R/Fr, 6-9, 311         D. Malone, Sr., 6-3, 304            T. Clary, So, 6-4, 290                J. Merrick, Jr, 6-4, 322         R. Winkel, Fr., 6-6, 286
     S. Clenin, R/Fr, 6-6, 300            T. Hall, R/So, 6-4, 296            J. Hannah, Sr, 6-2, 305             K. Adcock, R/Fr, 6-5, 288      S. Robinson, Fr, 6-4, 300
       N. Gatlin, Fr, 6-7, 300                                                                                                     A. Horn, R/Fr, 6-2, 329

Additionally, I might add that we have a lot of 1st team experience returning this season. If they can be coached and motivated to embrace this new offensive scheme and become more mobile through the Morris conditioning program, we might see a lot better production from them than we did last season. It is going to present them with better blocking angles and there isn't a single O-Lineman that doesn't love that.

Muskogee, this has been a problem for a while, but I've been using an android for quite some time.
Whenever yours or any other poster's makeshift "spreadsheet" is viewed by me, it becomes gibberish pretty quickly.

A fix?
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 09:16:13 pm »

I don't think Johnny Gibson starts. He's too big and slow. Morris wants strong and quick linemen.
Plus, there were a number of players at various positions that got in Bielema's doghouse and never got out. Bielema played favorites with certain players. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jalen Merrick unseat Gibson at RG.

Froholdt has the skills to have a great senior season in this offense.

Wallace needs to drop weight as well. He's lost a step over the last two seasons because he bulked up to block in a pro-style offense...which became more of a spread offense that most of the linemen were not built for.

Colton Jackson should be worried, because if he doesn't work harder to get quicker, and get stronger in his hips, one of those redshirt freshmen is going to take the LT job away from him. My money is on Shane Clenin, or Dalton Wagner.

As for the center position, losing Rogers and Heinrich hurt. A couple of new players will need to be trained. Deion Malone is a senior and could provide some leadership if given a chance. I like Ty Clary here, too. And Silas Robinson, but he should redshirt.
It wasnt Bielemas doghouse they got into, it was that turd Anderson's doghouse.  ive already said plenty of times what it was.  it was something petty.  anyways.  i think everyone is gonna drop quite a bit of weight. they need guys who can be quick and move and be able to play a whole game.  Bielema put too much weight on these guys and they were too way too slow because of it.  Let's see how they do when they get 'in shape'  i think were gona see  people saying and wondering why the OL was so bad the last couple years, i believe there will be that much improvement.  i havent seen if we will be running out of the shotgun or under center either.   i believe coach Fry is a helluva lot better coach than Anderson was.  So, i really look for the OL to make substantial improvement. we'll see tho.
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 09:37:47 pm »

It wasnt Bielemas doghouse they got into, it was that turd Anderson's doghouse.  ive already said plenty of times what it was.  it was something petty.  anyways.  i think everyone is gonna drop quite a bit of weight. they need guys who can be quick and move and be able to play a whole game.  Bielema put too much weight on these guys and they were too way too slow because of it.  Let's see how they do when they get 'in shape'  i think were gona see  people saying and wondering why the OL was so bad the last couple years, i believe there will be that much improvement.  i havent seen if we will be running out of the shotgun or under center either.   i believe coach Fry is a helluva lot better coach than Anderson was.  So, i really look for the OL to make substantial improvement. we'll see tho.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2018, 10:40:23 am »

Muskogee, this has been a problem for a while, but I've been using an android for quite some time.
Whenever yours or any other poster's makeshift "spreadsheet" is viewed by me, it becomes gibberish pretty quickly.

A fix?

I don't do screen shots, but that usually fixes the problem. With a lot of folks going to i-pads and phones to view data, you are usually going to have problems viewing it when it is keyed directly in as I have this data. Now if you are on a desk top or a laptop, there shouldn't be a problem. I wish we had a way to copy and paste Excel spread sheets and the data just aligned as shown in the Excel format, but it just doesn't work that way, unfortunately. It would save a lot of work when you do.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2018, 10:44:36 am »

It wasnt Bielemas doghouse they got into, it was that turd Anderson's doghouse.  ive already said plenty of times what it was.  it was something petty.  anyways.  i think everyone is gonna drop quite a bit of weight. they need guys who can be quick and move and be able to play a whole game.  Bielema put too much weight on these guys and they were too way too slow because of it.  Let's see how they do when they get 'in shape'  i think were gona see  people saying and wondering why the OL was so bad the last couple years, i believe there will be that much improvement.  i havent seen if we will be running out of the shotgun or under center either.   i believe coach Fry is a helluva lot better coach than Anderson was.  So, i really look for the OL to make substantial improvement. we'll see tho.

I'll just say that Anderson has been thrown under the bus a lot on this site and while I wasn't a fan of his coaching, at least half of the problem deserved to be directed elsewhere within the staff. It is my understanding that at one point there was a confrontation and he had to put his foot down about who he (Anderson) wanted to start and where. Now you can take that for what it is, but the problem wasn't just Anderson and I can guarantee that is accurate.
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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2018, 04:37:06 pm »

Colton Jackson is a RS Junior this year.
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2018, 04:47:50 pm »

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Solid looking on paper

Did you mean solid looking compared to paper?

The LT has been penciled the starter to open the last two seasons but his play has never allowed him to hold his job.  Devastating problems for an offense right there if he or someone behind him is not able to step up their game this year.

The two players penciled in at Center have a combined zero plays in college.  Not starts, zero as in I have never played a down of college football at center.

The RG is another player that has struggled at times but more so at tackle than guard so there is a chance he can improve his game to the point of being dependable.

RT  If Morris and staff can motivate Wallace, I think he has the potential to be solid, but he can't come into camp out of shape.  That would be disastrous.

LG - Good to go.


All these ifs and buts and it doesn't even consider the possibility of any of these guys getting injured, because no one ever gets injured in football.

Because on paper, all we are is paper thin in terms of proven experience.
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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2018, 07:14:35 pm »

I don't do screen shots, but that usually fixes the problem. With a lot of folks going to i-pads and phones to view data, you are usually going to have problems viewing it when it is keyed directly in as I have this data. Now if you are on a desk top or a laptop, there shouldn't be a problem. I wish we had a way to copy and paste Excel spread sheets and the data just aligned as shown in the Excel format, but it just doesn't work that way, unfortunately. It would save a lot of work when you do.

Thanks for the response.
I'll simply have to live with it then.

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Re: 2018 O-Line Depth Chart
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2018, 10:17:58 am »

Did you mean solid looking compared to paper?

The LT has been penciled the starter to open the last two seasons but his play has never allowed him to hold his job.  Devastating problems for an offense right there if he or someone behind him is not able to step up their game this year.

The two players penciled in at Center have a combined zero plays in college.  Not starts, zero as in I have never played a down of college football at center.

The RG is another player that has struggled at times but more so at tackle than guard so there is a chance he can improve his game to the point of being dependable.

RT  If Morris and staff can motivate Wallace, I think he has the potential to be solid, but he can't come into camp out of shape.  That would be disastrous.

LG - Good to go.


All these ifs and buts and it doesn't even consider the possibility of any of these guys getting injured, because no one ever gets injured in football.

Because on paper, all we are is paper thin in terms of proven experience.

You are correct, we are thin in terms of depth and some of the guys who Redshirted last year are going to have to step up and gain experience early in the year if that is to change. The only problem is that with a new offensive scheme, the 6 guys that we have returning that have had any playing time at all, share 76 career starts and 142 games of experience, but may need the first 3 games to get the timing down on the O-Line before we travel to Auburn on 9/22. Our depth will have to be developed and while it would be nice to have at least 5 step up as a back up at every position, I'd settle for 3 immediately who could perhaps play 2 positions each while everyone else is brought along.

It isn't a perfect situation from the standpoint of depth. We will see how quickly Fry can bring these kids along. I doubt he will be complaining if these kids have their feet 3-4 inches out of position at alignment like his predecessor.
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