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Don't look now, but...
« on: February 06, 2018, 10:22:38 am »

we're tied with little brother just one day from NSD.

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 10:25:08 am »

not even close to tied in any of the metrics that actually matter. Our average is way higher. like, they average a 2 * and we average a 3*.

Also, blame Bert if you mad.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 10:31:17 am »

well, we are 56th and ASU is 83rd, so this whole thread is BS af.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Pretty wild stuff that 247, Rivals, and ESPN recruiting rankings differ. Who woulda thought?
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2018, 10:31:20 am »

not even close to tied in any of the metrics that actually matter. Our average is way higher. like, they average a 2 * and we average a 3*.

Also, blame Bert if you mad.

72 is 72 is 72. Can't spin this, Porkey.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2018, 10:36:20 am »

We all knew this was coming, can't sign enough dudes this year to give us a chance since they grade off of a 25 scale.  If you took the average star rating of each of our commits so far and threw out the total number metric, we'd be right about where we always are in the 25 to 35 range.

Even with the very few we are taking this year the numbers are still going to have to "work themselve's out".  Just a bi-product of the $hit sammich that Coach B left behind where we have too many guys on schollie and still somehow lack depth in areas.

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 10:44:42 am »

we're tied with little brother just one day from NSD.


I blame bielema. He's like an illness whose side effects just wont go away even if the sickness has already been purged
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2018, 10:47:14 am »

we're tied with little brother just one day from NSD.


Which recruiting service is this? Ive seen far to many discrepancies to take anyone other than 247 seriously
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2018, 10:52:22 am »

Which recruiting service is this? Ive seen far to many discrepancies to take anyone other than 247 seriously

Rivals. Takes ten seconds to look it up for yourself. Do that more often.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2018, 11:02:57 am »

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2018, 11:11:06 am »

It's hilarious this thread exists. Seriously. The Hogs' lowest rated guy is better than anybody ASU even signed. Well, the one kid from Scooba Tech Last Chance U who is a high 3* out of JUCO is, but he's the only one. And they signed 21 kids to our 15 lmao. What a joke.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2018, 11:12:17 am »

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Arkansas' recruiting class is ranked 81st nationally b/c they're getting charged with 10 zeros (a zero for every non-committed player under 20). If they had 10 more commits mirroring the 10 they have, they'd be tied for 20th nationally right now. Just explaining the formula #wps

9:24 AM - 21 Dec 2017


AState has 21 commitments. We have 15 so we're being charged with 5 zeros. We were never going to sign 20 in this class. This is why our ranking is so low on Rivals.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2018, 11:12:34 am »

Rivals. Takes ten seconds to look it up for yourself. Do that more often.
Seeing as how there are several recruiting services, I knew it would be quicker to ask instead of going from service to service (longer than 10 seconds) to see which one matched the little snippet you used.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2018, 11:20:42 am »

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Arkansas' recruiting class is ranked 81st nationally b/c they're getting charged with 10 zeros (a zero for every non-committed player under 20). If they had 10 more commits mirroring the 10 they have, they'd be tied for 20th nationally right now. Just explaining the formula #wps

9:24 AM - 21 Dec 2017


AState has 21 commitments. We have 15 so we're being charged with 5 zeros. We were never going to sign 20 in this class. This is why our ranking is so low on Rivals.
Of course it's true that having a limited number of slots hurts the rankings.  You can't wrapped around that.

However, it's also true that having a limited number of slots available is a very real drawback in your rebuilding effort.  If you don't have a very good roster (and Arkansas doesn't have a very good roster) you need a lot of players to come in and try to turn things around.  We don't have much room for that this year.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2018, 11:22:57 am »

Of course it's true that having a limited number of slots hurts the rankings.  You can't wrapped around that.

However, it's also true that having a limited number of slots available is a very real drawback in your rebuilding effort.  If you don't have a very good roster (and Arkansas doesn't have a very good roster) you need a lot of players to come in and try to turn things around.  We don't have much room for that this year.
Arkansas does have a good roster. We have ~27 4*s, 1 5*, and almost all the rest are 3*s. We just had craptastic coaches.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 11:29:54 am »

72 is 72 is 72. Can't spin this, Porkey.

Haha, what is "spin"?   Reading? 
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 11:36:08 am »

Of course it's true that having a limited number of slots hurts the rankings.  You can't wrapped around that.

However, it's also true that having a limited number of slots available is a very real drawback in your rebuilding effort.  If you don't have a very good roster (and Arkansas doesn't have a very good roster) you need a lot of players to come in and try to turn things around.  We don't have much room for that this year.

Well, we had the #22 ranked roster going into the 2017 season according to 247 composite, so, either the rankings are garbage, the coaching was garbage, or some combination of both.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 11:43:11 am »

not even close to tied in any of the metrics that actually matter. Our average is way higher. like, they average a 2 * and we average a 3*.

Also, blame Bert if you mad.


When did we let go of blaming ole Bobby? :D
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 11:50:12 am »


When did we let go of blaming ole Bobby? :D

I believe it's in the rules posted when you sign up, head coaches after two firings can no longer be blamed.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2018, 11:50:43 am »

Just go post on Dogville!!
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2018, 12:04:26 pm »

We all knew this was coming, can't sign enough dudes this year to give us a chance since they grade off of a 25 scale.  If you took the average star rating of each of our commits so far and threw out the total number metric, we'd be right about where we always are in the 25 to 35 range.

Even with the very few we are taking this year the numbers are still going to have to "work themselve's out".  Just a bi-product of the $hit sammich that Coach B left behind where we have too many guys on schollie and still somehow lack depth in areas.


It was the key to the plan...THIS literally was the whole mastermind behind his long term plan and the narrative was having the deepest, upper classmen laden, and most talented roster in modern history of our program. Iím not buying it...but we shall see.

If we win 10 plus games this season because of so much obvious talent, Bielema will have to get most of the credit on the recruiting front.

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2018, 12:15:39 pm »

we're tied with little brother just one day from NSD.


Oh look......Hogimus Maximus has a new alter-ego. Nice ;) 8)
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2018, 12:19:50 pm »

Oh look......Hogimus Maximus has a new alter-ego. Nice ;) 8)

i found vantage

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2018, 12:41:42 pm »

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Arkansas' recruiting class is ranked 81st nationally b/c they're getting charged with 10 zeros (a zero for every non-committed player under 20). If they had 10 more commits mirroring the 10 they have, they'd be tied for 20th nationally right now. Just explaining the formula #wps

9:24 AM - 21 Dec 2017


AState has 21 commitments. We have 15 so we're being charged with 5 zeros. We were never going to sign 20 in this class. This is why our ranking is so low on Rivals.
But we're still ranked last in the SEC.  :-\
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2018, 12:50:18 pm »

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2018, 12:59:38 pm »

Of course it's true that having a limited number of slots hurts the rankings.  You can't wrapped around that.

However, it's also true that having a limited number of slots available is a very real drawback in your rebuilding effort.  If you don't have a very good roster (and Arkansas doesn't have a very good roster) you need a lot of players to come in and try to turn things around.  We don't have much room for that this year.

Arkansas doesn't have a very good roster? But wait I thought (well actually I don't "think"- I just read it on Hogville and then I regurgitated it as truth) that we have great talent and the only thing that was standing between us and a national championship was the lousy coach we had. Now that we have a "real" coach there is no stopping the Arkansas express. I'm expecting a lot of Ws next year.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2018, 01:06:04 pm »

What some don't seem to get: Very few signing classes have a major impact in the first year, not even at 'Bama. One could argue that the Tide's most recent class had an impact since it was a true freshman who played the 2nd half in the NC game and led the comeback.

The impact of this class, for better or worse, will be felt down the line. That's on Bert mainly. Whatever we do on the field in 2018 will be due to the players who were already on campus. Bert whined about lack of depth and being "paper thin" at some spots at the same time we have limited slots available on the roster. Who did that lunkhead think was to blame for that?

It is what it is. This staff has done what they could in a limited amount of time. Hopefully there is enough quality in the class, there are definitely several players who are high quality, probably just not enough of them.

In the meantime, the staff will have to ramp up for 2019 and beyond to try to overcome the shortcomings of the roster. I will have to research how many slots will be available for the 2019 class. I don't think there are that many seniors, so some will have to be created. The best rating we can hope for this year is likely in the 40s FWIW.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2018, 01:45:43 pm »

Arkansas doesn't have a very good roster? But wait I thought (well actually I don't "think"- I just read it on Hogville and then I regurgitated it as truth) that we have great talent and the only thing that was standing between us and a national championship was the lousy coach we had. Now that we have a "real" coach there is no stopping the Arkansas express. I'm expecting a lot of Ws next year.
Yes. Maybe not a national championship but definitely much more than we got
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2018, 01:53:00 pm »

Please remind me. How many are we looking to sign in this class?
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2018, 02:44:02 pm »

We all knew this was coming, can't sign enough dudes this year to give us a chance since they grade off of a 25 scale.  If you took the average star rating of each of our commits so far and threw out the total number metric, we'd be right about where we always are in the 25 to 35 range.

Even with the very few we are taking this year the numbers are still going to have to "work themselve's out".  Just a bi-product of the $hit sammich that Coach B left behind where we have too many guys on schollie and still somehow lack depth in areas.



Rivals grades off of your top 20 recruits and for every spot less then twenty that is not filled is included in your average as a zero.

 Thatís a big hiT.

The other services have a similar metric I believe.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2018, 03:13:03 pm »

If trolling very weak. If serious very stupid. Either way this post by OP is pathetic.
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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2018, 03:37:45 pm »

If trolling very weak. If serious very stupid. Either way this post by OP is pathetic.

Neither. We all know we're not going to finish remotely close to stAte in the final rankings from any site. Just merely an observation while thumbing through the interwebs.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2018, 03:38:37 pm »

Its posts like this that harden the hearts of Hog fans.  ASU has had a nice run in the Texas 5A football, aka The Sun Belt, but until they are tkaing away recruits from real division 1 programs theyre and afterthought in one of the smallest states.  In fact, right now, when ASU is having its best run ever in D1 and Arkansas is having one of its worst, Arkansas is still miles and miles ahead of little step cousin.  Go away Indians
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2018, 03:42:13 pm »

72 is 72 is 72. Can't spin this, Porkey.
I am not a fan of PITP, but this post is idiotic. I guess this is what message boards are for, but I alwayd get a kick out of fans making posts like yours when they clearly are clueless. 21 commits v 15 commits. We are penalized for having only 15 commits at the moment. It does not mean our class is not good.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2018, 03:50:40 pm »

I am not a fan of PITP, but this post is idiotic. I guess this is what message boards are for,but I alwayd get a kick out of fans making posts like yours when they clearly are clueless. 21 commits v 15 commits. We are penalized for having only 15 commits at the moment. It does not mean our class is not good.

I do too! It's great.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2018, 04:10:55 pm »

With the early signing date and the late hiring of Coach Morris, having a small class may be the best thing that could have happened.  Our average is right about where it always is, we're filling holes for the most part, and we're setting up for next year.  If our roster, which ranked around 22 last year, actually responds to the new staff, it will be an experienced, fairly high ranked group playing against one of the weakest schedules we've had in years.  Will that translate into 8 wins (my ceiling)?  I don't know, but I doubt a larger class would get us to 8. Meanwhile, next year and the year after, when the staff has more time to evaluate and build relationships, we'll have more spots.

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2018, 04:25:36 pm »

Well, we had the #22 ranked roster going into the 2017 season according to 247 composite, so, either the rankings are garbage, the coaching was garbage, or some combination of both.
Who you gonna believe?  Them rankings, or you own lyin' eyes?
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2018, 05:01:42 pm »

Where's Elvis in all of this?

You can't have a good conspiracy without Elvis.

Maybe get Bert to dress up in sequins and a jumpsuit?
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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2018, 05:48:18 pm »

Neither. We all know we're not going to finish remotely close to stAte in the final rankings from any site. Just merely an observation while thumbing through the interwebs.

Eric Bolin is that you again, trolling trying to stirring up hate and discontent so you can write another hate Arkansas article on SEC Country, I no longer read your Click bate.  You are without a doubt a very shallow writer!

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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2018, 06:35:57 pm »

Here's the deal, we knew in September or before that this class was not going to be highly ranked, because we were signing 15 or so players. Here is a fact, our class on November 15th with 3 fewer players ranks higher than we do currently, and my opinion we would end up with Ferrell and Bishop plus a few others like a Fulwider, and one or 2 not on our radar.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2018, 07:21:36 pm »

we're tied with little brother just one day from NSD.


Just dumb if you canít see the difference.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2018, 07:33:32 pm »

It's hilarious this thread exists. Seriously. The Hogs' lowest rated guy is better than anybody ASU even signed. Well, the one kid from Scooba Tech Last Chance U who is a high 3* out of JUCO is, but he's the only one. And they signed 21 kids to our 15 lmao. What a joke.
True but their class will end up one of the best ,if not the best in their conference, and that is added to what is considered the best roster of talent in the SBC. I mean that is what counts, how you compare to your peers, and your peers are the teams in your conference.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2018, 10:28:32 pm »

Just dumb if you canít see the difference.
If they had the frontward facing Hog on there one may just skip on by thinking it was a reprint of Arkansas State with some kind of glitch/mistake on the software.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2018, 11:39:33 pm »

True but their class will end up one of the best ,if not the best in their conference, and that is added to what is considered the best roster of talent in the SBC. I mean that is what counts, how you compare to your peers, and your peers are the teams in your conference.
im with you there, and im no astate hater. in fact, i wish we played y'all.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2018, 12:26:20 am »

Where's Elvis in all of this?

You can't have a good conspiracy without Elvis.

Maybe get Bert to dress up in sequins and a jumpsuit?

As long as the jumpsuit has his initials on it, he'd probably do it. Elvis died on the crapper, Bert's seat cushion just smells like death by the way Patterson and the other coaches reacted..

Of course, unless he's lost a MLB, they'd have to get a tent from the Army surplus store to make it out of.

Did Elvis have a thing for Tito's?
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2018, 02:19:41 am »

72 is 72 is 72. Can't spin this, Porkey.

You can when you take into account the formula uses for counting non-committed players under 20 as 0's. No way are the two recruiting classes the same. Sorry. It's not spin, but fact. When you don't have that many slots, the low ranking is going to happen.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2018, 07:05:14 am »

im with you there, and im no astate hater. in fact, i wish we played y'all.
Well if they did they would most likely lose, but their talent is getting better every year, and they have enough talent to put together a solid 2-deep.

According to 247 composite ratings they do have the best class in the SBC, https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=SBC and the best roster of talent in the SBC https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite?Conference=SBC.

That just means they have the talent to compete for an SBC Championship.
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Re: Don't look now, but...
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2018, 08:30:18 pm »

we're tied with little brother just one day from NSD.


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