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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2018, 09:41:57 am »

I'd trade wins for less money. But hey thats just me. But by all means lets continue to get paid a ton to get our bell rung every year.

We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2018, 09:43:12 am »

Dumb sir you are
Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2018, 09:45:33 am »

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/1990-sec-expansion-southeastern-conference/

“The SEC’s area of dominant influence fell short of the footprint desired by many consumer-oriented companies,” which Kramer sought as sponsors. To make the “footprint” more sponsor-friendly, Kramer wanted to move into South Carolina, Arkansas and especially Texas. By targeting Texas, Texas A&M and Arkansas, Kramer had effectively declared war on the Southwest Conference, where all three schools were members.

So we bring Petit Jean Meats? Got it.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2018, 09:46:41 am »

Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.

I mean if you're cool with averaging like 6 wins a year, that's all you. I'd rather average 9 and still be in a P5.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2018, 09:47:59 am »

We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some to if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.

That Cotton Bowl was nearly two decades ago; you still hanging onto that one?  Might I remind you we lost the Cotton Bowl to OU in '02.

Morris has repeatedly said TX recruiting is a key. What are you talking about?

13 of our competitors got the same check. It's not good or bad news; it is what it is.  Big checks don't create W's.  We've been collecting SEC checks for over a quarter century; I've yet to see significant results from all this money.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2018, 09:48:18 am »

We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some to if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.

Everything you just said is 100% wrong.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2018, 09:48:51 am »

Why?   You want to play less competition so you can get more wins, right?   7 wins in the SEC, 8-9 in the Big12, 12 wins in the Sunbelt, 14 wins and a natty in the FCS.   You want more wins, why stop at 8?

Quit telling yourself we don't understand, we do.  You want to move to the Big 12 because the competiton is easier in your mind, that is a p***y move.  If your gonna wear a dress, go all out.  Wear some makeup and heels, shave your legs and get your hair done.

LOL, so dumb.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2018, 09:49:14 am »

I mean if you're cool with averaging like 6 wins a year, that's all you. I'd rather average 9 and still be in a P5.

Mama always said stupid is as stupid does.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2018, 09:50:06 am »

That Cotton Bowl was nearly two decades ago; you still hanging onto that one?  Might I remind you we lost the Cotton Bowl to OU in '02?

Morris has repeatedly said TX recruiting is a key. What are you talking about?

13 of our competitors got the same check. It's not good or bad news; it is what it is.  Big checks don't create W's.  We've been collecting SEC checks for over a quarter century; I've yet to see significant results from all this money.

Troll elsewhere. 

Everything you just said is 100% wrong.

At least have the courtesy to tell me why you believe it is wrong.

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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2018, 09:52:17 am »

Troll elsewhere. 

At least have the courtesy to tell me why you believe it is wrong.

Yeah, that's not trolling, bub.

Unless your definition of trolling is getting called on your, frankly misguided, post and having nothing to say back.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2018, 09:54:14 am »

We wouldn't have the same level of teams in the B12.  Our recruiting base expanded when we left the SWC.  The roster Ford left for Nutt was much bigger and faster than what we had when left the SWC.  The Cotton Bowl in 2000 should have been an eye opener to how we were no longer the small underdogs.  It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too if we don't want to turn into TT and Ok St which would not be good in the SEC.

I do understand being starstruck with Ok St's win totals. 

We took great news about $40.9 million and turned it into another negative about our football program.
Are you kidding me? Chad Morris is going to put a huge emphasis on recruiting Texas. I can’t remember the exact number (someone else probably will) but I believe he said in an early interview we would get 10 plus commits/year there once we got established.

And to your point on the 40.9 million...it gets real old because it is used as a crutch. Win 1 conference game at the conclusion of a 5 year integrity/uncommon rebuild? That’s cool because someone made a lot of money!
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2018, 09:56:27 am »

Are you kidding me? Chad Morris is going to put a huge emphasis on recruiting Texas. I can’t remember the exact number (someone else probably will) but I believe he said in an early interview we would get 10 plus commits/year there once we got established.

And to your point on the 40.9 million...it gets real old because it is used as a crutch. Win 1 conference game at the conclusion of a 5 year integrity/uncommon rebuild? That’s cool because someone made a lot of money!

Do you ignorant -------- not know how to read?  "It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too "

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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2018, 09:57:20 am »

What do we add to the SEC footprint?

Nothing, but we entered 25 years ago at a different time, so not comparable.
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« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2018, 09:57:39 am »

Do you ignorant -------- not know how to read?  "It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too "

But, but, but the emphasis is on TEXAS. THE HORROR.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2018, 09:58:09 am »

But, but, but the emphasis is on TEXAS. THE HORROR.

No ----.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2018, 10:00:28 am »

I mean if you're cool with averaging like 6 wins a year, that's all you. I'd rather average 9 and still be in a P5.
Why does p5 matter?  Either you want to play with the big boys or you don't.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2018, 10:01:49 am »

Why does p5 matter?  Either you want to play with the big boys or you don't.

Because we still have a shot at the playoffs in a P5. And I consider P5 conferences as "the big boys." So there's that.

Would you like to make the playoffs? I know you just wanna make it to the BCS but we really can't do that anymore.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2018, 10:02:21 am »

Why does p5 matter?  Either you want to play with the big boys or you don't.

Ever heard of this thing called the College Football Playoff?
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2018, 10:03:05 am »

Do you ignorant -------- not know how to read?  "It's why you don't see Morris spending all of his time in Texas recruiting the Longhorn, Sooner and Aggy leftovers.  His time at Clemson has shown him he has to recruit the deep south some too "


Hey ignorant ****, a majority of our recruits will come out of Texas once relationships establish. Which I READ and heard Chad Morris talk about. He even gave an estimated number/year which I can’t remember exactly so I won’t say.

It is notable that you think otherwise. We will see and revisit...if it is otherwise (similar to Bielema with minimal Texas recruiting success) I’ll eat crow. 
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2018, 10:04:19 am »

LOL, so dumb.
So do you want to play less competion or not?  is the SEC to hard for you?  I know your answer, but lets hear you admit it.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2018, 10:05:17 am »

Hey ignorant ****, a majority of our recruits will come out of Texas once relationships establish. Which I READ and heard Chad Morris talk about. He even gave an estimated number/year which I can’t remember exactly so I won’t say.



Never disputed this. 
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2018, 10:05:49 am »

Hey ignorant ****, a majority of our recruits will come out of Texas once relationships establish. Which I READ and heard Chad Morris talk about. He even gave an estimated number/year which I can’t remember exactly so I won’t say.

It is notable that you think otherwise. We will see and revisit...if it is otherwise (similar to Bielema with minimal Texas recruiting success) I’ll eat crow. 
Bret said he came to win SEC schampionships?  You see how that works?  Just because it is said doesn't make true.   
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2018, 10:07:50 am »

So do you want to play less competion or not?  is the SEC to hard for you?  I know your answer, but lets hear you admit it.

Who in their right mind would want to play more competition?  Does Wal-Mart like having Amazon around?

It's not too hard for me; I don't play the games nor am I a coach.  I'd say the SEC is too hard for Arkansas to consistently compete for championships based on their performance the past 25 years.  Seems like a large enough sample of mediocrity to draw a conclusion.
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« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2018, 10:08:13 am »

Bret said he came to win SEC schampionships?  You see how that works?  Just because it is said doesn't make true.   
Ya because Arkansas winning a SEC championship is equivalent to getting kids out of Texas to play here.
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« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2018, 10:09:09 am »

So do you want to play less competion or not?  is the SEC too* hard for you?  I know your answer, but lets hear you admit it.

FIFY, & Yes.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2018, 10:10:57 am »

Ark and SC weren't the top two that Kramer wanted. Prob the last two. They wouldn't cry if we left or traded with WVa.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2018, 10:17:40 am »

Hooray!  I feel so much better about all of those times we got our skulls kicked in last season!
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2018, 10:21:17 am »

Get skull drug by the best.....you mean?
Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

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« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2018, 10:25:25 am »

Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

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« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2018, 10:28:39 am »

Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

 :puke:

"Yeah you'd be in the SEC, but what does that matter if you're sitting at the bottom of the totem pole."

Negative recruiting goes both ways.
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« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2018, 10:35:24 am »

Lately, yes. There's no reason we can't be better, though. We have twice the resources of Mississippi State and they have figured out a way to hold their own.

I can't even imagine the negative recruiting used against us, re: "those guys couldn't hack it in a real conference, so they snuck off like a coward to play Iowa State, Kansas and KSU every week. Do you really want to be a part of a team with that kind of mindset?"

 :puke:

Iowa State would whoop our butt now.  K-State most years.  I do feel good about our chances with KU, though.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2018, 10:37:38 am »

Do I? It's all about money and TV contracts these days, we don't add any additional TV sets to their footprint.
Hogville is funny. Some on here claim that Arkansas has a better football tradition than Notre Dame, and others say we couldn't even get into the Big 12 if we wanted.
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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2018, 10:47:08 am »

Hogville is funny. Some on here claim that Arkansas has a better football tradition than Notre Dame, and others say we couldn't even get into the Big 12 if we wanted.
Which we don't, but you are correct, opinions on HV are funny.
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« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2018, 10:49:18 am »

"Yeah you'd be in the SEC, but what does that matter if you're sitting at the bottom of the totem pole."

Negative recruiting goes both ways.
With our track record...the past couple of years especially, “negative recruiting” against the Hogs is shooting fish in a barrel. In our society today what happened almost 10 years ago when the program was middle of the road relevant is now essentially...irrelevant. What matters is what is going on “right here and now.”

Make no mistake about it, if and when it comes to pass that there is a major conference realignment that makes for an easier path for the Hogs’ success (vs being in the SEC West) these same SEC homers will be the first on board.

I can see it now, “Well guys the writing was on the wall there, it just wasn’t ever going to happen...this will be 1000 times better.”
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« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2018, 10:50:20 am »

Iowa State would whoop our butt now.  K-State most years.  I do feel good about our chances with KU, though.

K St has been no physical match for us.  Slower and smaller. 
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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2018, 10:55:49 am »

K St has been no physical match for us.  Slower and smaller.

Great, I'd rather play them every year than any of the SECW.
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« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2018, 10:57:30 am »

Great, I'd rather play them every year than any of the SECW.

We would be smaller and slower too in time if we reduce our recruiting footprint back to the B12's. 
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« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2018, 11:02:22 am »

Enrollment with texas kids would skyrocket more than it is now and that is a lot. Kids being able to go home for the weekend and catch a nearby razorback game would be huge. Huge increase in enrollment, texas recruiting, closer away games, plus poss more wins would prob make up for the $4-5 mill difference. I'm okay either way.
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« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2018, 11:02:52 am »

We would be smaller and slower too in time if we reduce our recruiting footprint back to the B12's.

Based on what?
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« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2018, 11:04:27 am »

We would be smaller and slower too in time if we reduce our recruiting footprint back to the B12's.

Am I missing something?  Have our recruiting classes been filled with studs from AL, GA, FL year in, year out?
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2018, 11:07:41 am »

Based on what?

Isolating ourselves back into Ar, Tx, Ok and the Midwest wasteland of recruiting. 
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« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2018, 11:08:14 am »

Isolating ourselves back into Ar, Tx, Ok and the Midwest wasteland of recruiting.

Am I missing something?  Have our recruiting classes been filled with studs from AL, GA, FL year in, year out?

Furthermore, A&M had 6 Louisiana players on its roster in its final Big 12 season. They had 6 on their roster last year.

By all means, keep digging that hole.
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Re: Arkansas gets a $40.9 million payment for the 2016-17 season
« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2018, 11:15:11 am »



Rarely.  But we would be isolating ourselves into the second tier players in just Texas and Ok with a move to the B12.  More limited options and splitting them with the other B12 members. 
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« Reply #93 on: February 02, 2018, 11:16:18 am »

Isolating ourselves back into Ar, Tx, Ok and the Midwest wasteland of recruiting.

Do you pay attention?
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« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2018, 11:16:33 am »

Furthermore, A&M had 6 Louisiana players on its roster in its final Big 12 season. They had 6 on their roster last year.

A&M gets top tier players in Texas in most classes whether in the SEC or when they were in the B12.  We aren't. 
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« Reply #95 on: February 02, 2018, 11:18:08 am »

Who in their right mind would want to play more competition?  Does Wal-Mart like having Amazon around?

It's not too hard for me; I don't play the games nor am I a coach.  I'd say the SEC is too hard for Arkansas to consistently compete for championships based on their performance the past 25 years.  Seems like a large enough sample of mediocrity to draw a conclusion.
Do you see Wal Mart running from Amazon?   Is Wal-Mart going leave the retail industry and go to cryptocurrency because it EASIER to compete?   If our football team was made up of guys like you that are afraid of competiton, we wouldn't win one game.   
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« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2018, 11:18:21 am »

A&M gets top tier players in Texas in most classes whether in the SEC or when they were in the B12.  We aren't.

Well the point was that we would likely not lose the Louisiana pull we already have; you clearly missed said point.
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« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2018, 11:18:45 am »

K St has been no physical match for us.  Slower and smaller. 

Bobby beat K-State, and Bert beat them with his best team, which had a lot of Bobby holdovers.  K-State could have named the score against us last year against Bert's "uncommon" choir boys.
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« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2018, 11:19:22 am »

Rarely.  But we would be isolating ourselves into the second tier players in just Texas and Ok with a move to the B12.  More limited options and splitting them with the other B12 members.

Are we getting top tier players in SEC states now? Your argument makes no sense.
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« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2018, 11:20:17 am »

Do you see Wal Mart running from Amazon?  Is Wal-Mart going leave the retail industry and go to cryptocurrency because it EASIER to compete?   If our football team was made up of guys like you that are afraid of competiton, we wouldn't win one game.   

I'll take "Terrible Comparisons" for $600, Alex.
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