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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2018, 07:20:49 am »

and this one didn't work out for either side.

Financial compensation aside, he is going to be knocked down a few rungs.

Maybe so but coaches, managers, executives, etc. make decisions all the time for their career that don't work out. I know I've had that happen to me. To say "to be fair" isn't something to consider when he is getting such a huge buyout.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2018, 07:24:18 am »

that is kind of the point.  getting him to make a jump from his secure spot in Wisc to an unsecure spot in Arkansas required making him financially secure.

But no spot in coaching is secure. Security in coaching is defined by how many games you win with a little bit of not getting in trouble mixed in.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2018, 07:25:02 am »

To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....

Pepsi is/was a University contract, not an athletic department contract.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2018, 07:37:29 am »

To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....

Firing Petrino: His hands were tied because of Petrino's actions. It had to be done.

Hiring Bert: Not one person at the time said the hire was anything but a Home Run.(Unexpected but still a home run)

Pepsi: he literally had nothing to do with that...

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2018, 09:02:44 am »

To think his legacy at Arkansas will be firing Petrino, hiring Bielema, and Pepsi. Surprised a few of you let him leave alive....

What would you have done differently? We're all waiting.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2018, 09:08:52 am »

What would you have done differently? We're all waiting.

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2018, 09:25:07 am »

Dude is NOT a good coach.. I'd be willing to bet that he's either severely concussed from his playing days or darned near retarded. Geez some people.

Now you find Coastal or how about Toledo ? Brett is retarded or concussed. Had no business taking this job. Should have been fired at the end of season one. Too many supporters from his "friends"
You are the hardcorehoggy of MMQB.  You realize that everybody who disagrees with you isn't stupid or retarded, right?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2018, 09:38:12 am »

UA counsel admits what some of us have been saying on here for a bit:

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"The original agreements were drafted by two different parties, and any discrepancy between the two was ultimately negotiated by the Foundation," University of Arkansas System spokesman Nate Hinkel said. "Ultimately you'd like to have matching documents when the terms of their content are being executed, but in this case there was a question about which one was in play and it was negotiated by the appropriate party."

Then of course, it is also revealed in the article that Bert had the Foundation by the shorthairs and the only reason Bert agreed to less than the full $15.4 million was because we did away with his contractual obligation to mitigate and offset the buyout against future earnings.  That “offset” is already cooked into this lower buyout.

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Razorback Foundation Executive Director Scott Varady said in a printed statement that Bielema's representatives "cooperated in developing the necessary mechanisms" to calculate Bielema's buyout, which will be paid in monthly installments. The two sides also worked together on the language to lessen the sum based on the coach's future earnings.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2018, 09:45:15 am »

UA counsel admits what some of us have been saying on here for a bit:

Then of course, it is also revealed in the article that Bert had the Foundation by the shorthairs and the only reason Bert agreed to less than the full $15.4 million was because we did away with his contractual obligation to mitigate and offset the buyout against future earnings.  That “offset” is already cooked into this lower buyout.


He still has any future earning offset from the Foundation's payments, after the various excluded amounts per year.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/bielemabuyout/
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2018, 09:49:04 am »

He still has any future earning offset from the Foundation's payments, after the various excluded amounts per year.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/bielemabuyout/

No, you are one hundred percent wrong.  Varady’s statement tells us that.  And, no there is no need to post the contract.  They’ve negotiated a different amount.  It is now a new agreement.  They can agree to anything they want.

I fully expect you to return and tell us how you are wrong once Bielema takes another job and the Foundation financial statement shows the monthly buyout at the same number.

Okay, I see that you posted the new agreement and it still has that in it.  Mea culpa.  I thought you were putting up the old contract.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2018, 09:56:46 am »

It will be interesting to see if Bielema includes those NFL offers he claimed to have already received in the report that he is required to submit to the Foundation every six months.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2018, 10:04:26 am »

No, you are one hundred percent wrong.  Varady’s statement tells us that.  And, no there is no need to post the contract.  They’ve negotiated a different amount.  It is now a new agreement.  They can agree to anything they want.

I fully expect you to return and tell us how you are wrong once Bielema takes another job and the Foundation financial statement shows the monthly buyout at the same number.

Okay, I see that you posted the new agreement and it still has that in it.  Mea culpa.  I thought you were putting up the old contract.

You must have worked for the RF when doing the 2015 contract, running your mouth instead of reading it......
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2018, 10:06:50 am »

You must have worked for the RF when doing the 2015 contract, running your mouth instead of reading it......

Touché.  The new agreement is actually quite specific as to what mitigation actually means.  Much better than the old.

And I’ll gurandamntee you that Bert’s attorneys and agent cringed and chewed his ass good when they read his quotes about waiting for the perfect situation and having already turned down NFL jobs. 
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« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2018, 10:19:19 am »

Touché.  The new agreement is actually quite specific as to what mitigation actually means.  Much better than the old.

And I’ll gurandamntee you that Bert’s attorneys and agent cringed and chewed his ass good when they read his quotes about waiting for the perfect situation and having already turned down NFL jobs. 

Hopefully he gets some job that makes more than $150k a year, or at least turns them down.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2018, 11:12:48 am »

to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

He will land some where rebuild his rep and get back into the big 10.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2018, 11:39:10 am »

You must have worked for the RF when doing the 2015 contract, running your mouth instead of reading it......

It's what he does - you won't win an argument w him.

He will just redirect
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2018, 11:44:03 am »

It's what he does - you won't win an argument w him.

He will just redirect

Except in his case I said “Touché” which acknowledged that he was right, because unlike you EVER, he was.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2018, 11:46:26 am »

Except in his case I said “Touché” which acknowledged that he was right, because unlike you EVER, he was.

EVER is a strong word...
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2018, 11:48:07 am »

EVER is a strong word...

Not too strong apparently.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2018, 12:01:14 pm »

Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2018, 12:05:44 pm »

Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?



Anyone think Jeff Long was the sole actor in the extension and buyout?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2018, 12:09:52 pm »

Anyone think Jeff Long was the sole actor in the extension and buyout?

Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2018, 12:14:51 pm »

Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2018, 02:04:04 pm »

Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?



Wow, BB was so svelt back then.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2018, 02:08:50 pm »

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2018, 02:10:56 pm »

Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.

That is pure hearsay
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2018, 02:13:34 pm »

to be fair, he risked his career coming here, and lost.  His career basically over.

as it should be....
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2018, 02:17:45 pm »

What do want a link to?

Information or an article explicitly saying Jeff Long was, in your words, "the main conspirator."
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #78 on: January 31, 2018, 02:18:47 pm »

That is pure hearsay

No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #79 on: January 31, 2018, 02:19:46 pm »

Information or an article explicitly saying Jeff Long was, in your words, "the main conspirator."

What do you believe is encompassed within an athletic director's job description?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #80 on: January 31, 2018, 02:24:02 pm »

No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?

No, he obviously knew of it but anyone that believes he went about formulating the extension and buyout figures on his own is delusional.

Also, to make an attack on a person and claim they deserve to be "tarred and feathered" is pretty harsh given most people thought the extension was a good move at the time.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #82 on: January 31, 2018, 02:26:34 pm »

What do you believe is encompassed within an athletic director's job description?

Stop deflecting and avoiding. I asked for proof that Jeff Long was "the main conspirator."
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #83 on: January 31, 2018, 02:30:22 pm »

Anyone still think Jeff Long was a competent and honorable human being?



Yes
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« Reply #84 on: January 31, 2018, 02:33:03 pm »

No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?

The boogeyman is not real.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #85 on: January 31, 2018, 02:41:05 pm »

Stop deflecting and avoiding. I asked for proof that Jeff Long was "the main conspirator."

Didn't you know? Long writes every contract and then approves the contracts he writes! That's how it works!
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« Reply #86 on: January 31, 2018, 02:45:08 pm »

Didn't you know? Long writes every contract and then approves the contracts he writes! That's how it works!

All makes sense now!
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #87 on: January 31, 2018, 04:04:02 pm »

I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive. 
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #88 on: January 31, 2018, 04:11:17 pm »

I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive. 

Long didn't fire Bielema.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #89 on: January 31, 2018, 04:14:19 pm »

I Am Smart, don't agree that you are. Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive.

Well. That’s pretty funny.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #90 on: January 31, 2018, 04:15:12 pm »

Long didn't fire Bielema.

Dang I am only four minutes too late!
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #91 on: January 31, 2018, 04:31:24 pm »

I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive.

When who did what?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #92 on: January 31, 2018, 04:42:01 pm »

I Am Smart, don't agree that you are.  Most Hog fans were surprised by the Bielema hire and many were just like me, not thrilled with the hire.  I ended up surprised at how bad it turned out but I thought he would average 7, maybe 8 wins here and he didn't.  I listened to the horse crap flooding Hogville about the wonderful hire, the greatest group of assistants ever at Arkansas and maybe even the greatest group in all of college football by any team, ever.

I watched a 6 win team get 3 wins the first year and than watched an 8 or maybe 9 win team get 7 in the 2nd year and I had better hopes, but never the high hopes.

The problem with giving Bret an extension and raise for year 3 was that he was already paid well for the position he was in and the gamesmanship he showed.  I encourage you to remember that when Long fired Bielema, he was the toast of college football.  Of course, 90 percent of all D1 ADs wouldn't have done that but none could go public and say that.  So they toasted Long and our Administrators bought in hook, line and sinker as they surely couldn't afford to rule against such a great man of integrity and forward thinking.  So, what appears to me to be a mistake by a person who was being paid to not make that kind of mistake ended up being expensive.

I may not be a smart man, Jenny, but I am aware of the fact the Long was fired before Bert was.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #93 on: January 31, 2018, 10:33:04 pm »

It's easy to pile on Jeff Long for the 2014 extension, and rightfully so. Won't get any argument from me. He made that decision, and it turned out to be wrong.

However, I would point out he wasn't the only one thinking like that in 2014. After the 17-0 shutout of LSU and 30-0 shutout of Ole Miss, and then 31-7 over Texas to end the year, some national pundits were writing that Arkansas was a team on the rise. Matt Hayes of The Sporting News wrote a fawning column around that time. The gyst of it was 'Look out SEC West...Arkansas is coming. Bielema is building something'. At the time, I was proud and soaking it up but at the same time thinking to myself 'right, I'm sure Alabama is quaking in their boots right now, c'mon'
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« Reply #94 on: January 31, 2018, 11:49:48 pm »

Pay him then erase his existence. Sick of hearing about that bloated turd.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #95 on: February 01, 2018, 07:43:06 am »

Stop deflecting and avoiding. I asked for proof that Jeff Long was "the main conspirator."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #96 on: February 01, 2018, 08:26:22 am »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)

In what way does this prove that he was the only one involved when the extension/buyout was formulated?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #97 on: February 01, 2018, 08:33:30 am »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)




Still failing to see definitive proof where Long was "the main conspirator." Without editing the Wikipedia page that you linked, can you show me where I'm missing the language that says he was "the main conspirator?"

You're pretty bad at backing up an argument. You should try not doing that anymore.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #98 on: February 01, 2018, 08:46:47 am »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Long_(athletic_director)

I ,for one, am shocked a conspiracy theorist somehow managed to provide an incorrect link.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #99 on: February 01, 2018, 09:02:18 am »

Other than the morons that agreed to it, he's the main conspirator.

He should be tarred, feathered and never allowed near a university as long as he lives.

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