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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2018, 07:56:08 am »

It was cold.

Sometimes that's part of the issue.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2018, 08:19:49 am »

Best of luck jake
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2018, 08:29:59 am »

Good luck, Jake.


Also, good luck to Josh Harris. I graduated high school with his dad. He's a really good guy. If Josh is anything like his dad, he will do fine.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2018, 08:32:51 am »

Wish him all the best!

Folks for get Zach Thomas at Texas Tech did just fine and played several years in the NFL.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2018, 08:42:13 am »

Yes they were around. But you don't dead lift 600 lbs with a bad back

Who said he did? 
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2018, 09:18:22 am »

Every player is examined and medically cleared to go through off season in January and again before fall camp at the end of the summer.  Jake has always cleared, but did not this last Tuesday.  He took a shot to the back during pracitice last fall and started having issues.  That’s why he didn’t dress for games. Not a lack of talent, not Herbert hurting him by making him squat 600lbs.  He had an underlying condition and it was accelerated by the injury. It’s beyond time to stop blaming the last staff for everything. It’s time to move on.  The last staff is gone and not coming back.  Let it go and move forward.  The team has, the fan base should as well.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2018, 09:29:01 am »

Dat Nyguen was 5’11”. Only had 517 tackles at the LB spot for Texas A & M. Pretty shabby lol.



There is always a guy or two that can break the mold.

But just because Doug Fluite played in the NFL doesn’t mean John Elway didn’t excell in part because he was 6-2
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2018, 09:35:32 am »

All the best for you, Jake. Wooo Pig!
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2018, 09:58:12 am »

He said in the tweet the Dr advised him to stop while he can still stand tall and walk.  Sad to see such talent waylaid by a genetic issue with his spine.

Prayers sent. 
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2018, 10:08:39 am »

Good luck Jake.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2018, 10:19:02 am »

He said in the tweet the Dr advised him to stop while he can still stand tall and walk.  Sad to see such talent waylaid by a genetic issue with his spine.

Prayers sent.

Degenerative disks suck. When I was diagnosed, first thing the doctor asked me how many times I had been hit in the back by a running back while playing on the line. And that was far from college level athletes.



Prayers and regards to the young man. I advise physical therapy and mindful mechanics no matter what your moving, picking up, or pushing. One wrong move and you're in the dumps for a few weeks, lol.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2018, 10:32:03 am »

I didn’t say I knew that. Just saying he probably hurt it in HS before he got here.
Probably? you make crap up just to take a dig at Anderson?  Ch*t getting old.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2018, 02:29:17 am »

Sam Olajubutu was pretty good.
Outliers and all that.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2018, 05:12:54 am »



There is always a guy or two that can break the mold.

But just because Doug Fluite played in the NFL doesn’t mean John Elway didn’t excell in part because he was 6-2

Hold your index finger and thumb 2 inches apart...that is what makes a good LB?

C'mon...you know better than that.

There are many examples...not just one or two. As a matter of fact, fast - versatile LB's are needed more now than ever with teams spreading the field like they do.

Here is a few that dominated in 2013-14:

Big 12
Eddie Lackey: 5'10" 220, Baylor

Lackey was probably the best linebacker in the B12 in 2013 and played both the Will and Mike positions for Baylor. His speed allowed him to make interceptions, win the edge vs runs, and just fly around the field. Ask Baylor if they'd like another Eddie Lackey on their team. Their recruitment of speedy, 6'0" LB Clay Johnston suggests the answer is a resounding YES!

Jonathan Truman: 5'11" 215, Kansas State

Truman plays Will linebacker for KSU and made Bruce Feldman's freak list thanks to his ability to bench 430, squat 535, and clean 400. Sound familiar? He was a walk-on to KSU and wasn't originally offered many scholarships because of his height, now there's a chance he'll finish on the All-Big 12 teams after 2014.

Blake Slaughter: 5'9" 227, Kansas State

Slaughter led KSU in tackles in 2013 playing their Mike linebacker position. He's not amazing but he wasn't bad and nor was he tall.

Jeremiah George: 5'11" 234, Iowa State

George led the entire league in 2013 in total tackles and added 2 interceptions and 6 pass break-ups. He played middle linebacker.

Shaun Lewis: 5'11" 226, Oklahoma State

Lewis was a 4 year starter for the Cowboys as their "Sam" linebacker who played a hybrid safety/linebacker position and excelled in coverage and as an edge blitzer. As an upperclassman he would move inside to the mike linebacker position in the Cowboys' 3rd down/dime packages and control the middle of the field as a Tampa-2 player.

Eric Striker: 5'11" 215, Oklahoma

Striker might be the most dominant defensive player in the B12 in 2014. He played a Jack outside linebacker for OU's 3-4 defense in 2013 and this year will move out to a field position similar to what Shaun Lewis played for OSU. His ability to get out in coverage, play the run on the edge, and be a virtually unblockable blitzer on the edge makes him a terrifying weapon.
Other leagues?
Okay, you may ask, hasn't the B12 had some low recruiting rankings in recent years? Are undersized linebackers all they have available? Isn't that conference known more for wonky spread offenses than defense and linebackers?

Well, in the B1G they had

Chris Borland: 5'11" 245, Wisconsin

The ferocious Badger inside linebacker had 111 tackles, 4 sacks, and 8.5 tackles for loss this year playing in the B1G. They'd blitz him off the edge on 3rd down as well and found him a versatile weapon. All-American player.

Denicos Allen: 5'11" 218, Michigan State

Allen was one of the key playmakers in Michigan State's elite defense and led their defense with 98 tackles, 16.5 of which occurred behind the line of scrimmage.

and in the vaunted SEC

Denzel Nkemdiche: 5'11" 207, Ole Miss

When healthy, the older and smaller Nkemdiche was an impact player at one of Ole Miss' outside linebacker spots.

Serderius Bryant: 5'9" 220, Ole Miss

When Nkemdiche went down, Bryant stepped into his spot and had 78 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, in that same "Spur" position which is more or less equivalent to a Will linebacker position in another scheme.

Sharrod Golightly: 5'10" 205, South Carolina

Golightly played a hybrid position for South Carolina, also known as a "Spur" although in this instance it's more akin to Shaun Lewis' LB/S field linebacker role then the position at Ole Miss.

Robinson Therezie: 5'9" 212, Auburn

Therezie played the Sam/S position as well and returns for another run with an experienced Tiger LB corp in 2014.

Here's the takeaway: the demands of defending modern offenses puts a premium on change of direction but the linebacker position still requires some balance, bulk, and power in order to beat blocks and bring down ball carriers.

These traits come up more often with shorter, even sub 6'0" linebackers. At the nickel/lb hybrid positions in particular, more and more teams are looking for fierce athletes who can pack a punch but also move around in space. Other teams are even using these players as 3-4 outside backers (thanks Elvis Dumervil!) and Will linebackers because of their ability to get to the places on the field where defenses need them.

Thomas Hutchings will be a steal for whichever program stops viewing shorter players like this as a stopgap or plan B and actually prioritizes the athleticism and traits here that have been proven to be essential in today's game.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2018, 07:20:56 am »

This thread should be divided. One about Jake and one about Josh. I think the rub on Josh Harris is not only about his height, but more importantly is his speed. He has slimmed up some, but if I remember, he was closer to 240 when he came to campus on a 5' 10" frame. He is strong and is better against the run but was a liability in pass coverage. That being said, I really hoped he would have seen more of the field this year with a switch to the 3-4, but he had a freshman blueshirt playing in front of him (not judging on who should have played, that is not my job, and Henry played well), so I can't blame him for seeking other opportunities. Godspeed, young man, and thanks for being a Hog!

Sam Olajubutu's asset, in addition to being tough as nails, was his lateral speed. How may of you remember Sam pursuing the back to the sideline on a sweep or wide run, all while keeping is shoulders parallel to the LOS and limiting those plays to short or no gain? Not everyone can do that. I kinda remember Nguyen being pretty good at lateral pursuit as well.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2018, 08:12:17 am »

Hold your index finger and thumb 2 inches apart...that is what makes a good LB?

C'mon...you know better than that.

There are many examples...not just one or two. As a matter of fact, fast - versatile LB's are needed more now than ever with teams spreading the field like they do.

Here is a few that dominated in 2013-14:

Big 12
Eddie Lackey: 5'10" 220, Baylor

Lackey was probably the best linebacker in the B12 in 2013 and played both the Will and Mike positions for Baylor. His speed allowed him to make interceptions, win the edge vs runs, and just fly around the field. Ask Baylor if they'd like another Eddie Lackey on their team. Their recruitment of speedy, 6'0" LB Clay Johnston suggests the answer is a resounding YES!

Jonathan Truman: 5'11" 215, Kansas State

Truman plays Will linebacker for KSU and made Bruce Feldman's freak list thanks to his ability to bench 430, squat 535, and clean 400. Sound familiar? He was a walk-on to KSU and wasn't originally offered many scholarships because of his height, now there's a chance he'll finish on the All-Big 12 teams after 2014.

Blake Slaughter: 5'9" 227, Kansas State

Slaughter led KSU in tackles in 2013 playing their Mike linebacker position. He's not amazing but he wasn't bad and nor was he tall.

Jeremiah George: 5'11" 234, Iowa State

George led the entire league in 2013 in total tackles and added 2 interceptions and 6 pass break-ups. He played middle linebacker.

Shaun Lewis: 5'11" 226, Oklahoma State

Lewis was a 4 year starter for the Cowboys as their "Sam" linebacker who played a hybrid safety/linebacker position and excelled in coverage and as an edge blitzer. As an upperclassman he would move inside to the mike linebacker position in the Cowboys' 3rd down/dime packages and control the middle of the field as a Tampa-2 player.

Eric Striker: 5'11" 215, Oklahoma

Striker might be the most dominant defensive player in the B12 in 2014. He played a Jack outside linebacker for OU's 3-4 defense in 2013 and this year will move out to a field position similar to what Shaun Lewis played for OSU. His ability to get out in coverage, play the run on the edge, and be a virtually unblockable blitzer on the edge makes him a terrifying weapon.
Other leagues?
Okay, you may ask, hasn't the B12 had some low recruiting rankings in recent years? Are undersized linebackers all they have available? Isn't that conference known more for wonky spread offenses than defense and linebackers?

Well, in the B1G they had

Chris Borland: 5'11" 245, Wisconsin

The ferocious Badger inside linebacker had 111 tackles, 4 sacks, and 8.5 tackles for loss this year playing in the B1G. They'd blitz him off the edge on 3rd down as well and found him a versatile weapon. All-American player.

Denicos Allen: 5'11" 218, Michigan State

Allen was one of the key playmakers in Michigan State's elite defense and led their defense with 98 tackles, 16.5 of which occurred behind the line of scrimmage.

and in the vaunted SEC

Denzel Nkemdiche: 5'11" 207, Ole Miss

When healthy, the older and smaller Nkemdiche was an impact player at one of Ole Miss' outside linebacker spots.

Serderius Bryant: 5'9" 220, Ole Miss

When Nkemdiche went down, Bryant stepped into his spot and had 78 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, in that same "Spur" position which is more or less equivalent to a Will linebacker position in another scheme.

Sharrod Golightly: 5'10" 205, South Carolina

Golightly played a hybrid position for South Carolina, also known as a "Spur" although in this instance it's more akin to Shaun Lewis' LB/S field linebacker role then the position at Ole Miss.

Robinson Therezie: 5'9" 212, Auburn

Therezie played the Sam/S position as well and returns for another run with an experienced Tiger LB corp in 2014.

Here's the takeaway: the demands of defending modern offenses puts a premium on change of direction but the linebacker position still requires some balance, bulk, and power in order to beat blocks and bring down ball carriers.

These traits come up more often with shorter, even sub 6'0" linebackers. At the nickel/lb hybrid positions in particular, more and more teams are looking for fierce athletes who can pack a punch but also move around in space. Other teams are even using these players as 3-4 outside backers (thanks Elvis Dumervil!) and Will linebackers because of their ability to get to the places on the field where defenses need them.

Thomas Hutchings will be a steal for whichever program stops viewing shorter players like this as a stopgap or plan B and actually prioritizes the athleticism and traits here that have been proven to be essential in today's game.



2” is what separates an elite player from a good one many times.


If Skipper was 2” shorter he’d been a big time NFL prospect.  2” was why DJ Williams was a journeyman NFL TE instead of a long term starter.


There just aren’t many 6 1-4 225-250 guys out there that can move.  Bama, LSU have them and that’s one reason they can still put real defenses on the field
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2018, 08:15:53 am »

This thread should be divided. One about Jake and one about Josh. I think the rub on Josh Harris is not only about his height, but more importantly is his speed. He has slimmed up some, but if I remember, he was closer to 240 when he came to campus on a 5' 10" frame. He is strong and is better against the run but was a liability in pass coverage. That being said, I really hoped he would have seen more of the field this year with a switch to the 3-4, but he had a freshman blueshirt playing in front of him (not judging on who should have played, that is not my job, and Henry played well), so I can't blame him for seeking other opportunities. Godspeed, young man, and thanks for being a Hog!

Sam Olajubutu's asset, in addition to being tough as nails, was his lateral speed. How may of you remember Sam pursuing the back to the sideline on a sweep or wide run, all while keeping is shoulders parallel to the LOS and limiting those plays to short or no gain? Not everyone can do that. I kinda remember Nguyen being pretty good at lateral pursuit as well.


Ellis was a liability vs the pass too but B.B. kept him out there as a 3 down player.


Harris was just another kid buried by the previous staff IMO


As far as Olajabutu he was great when he could get around or under OL.   Really good OL that could engage him though would blow him out of a play occasionally due to his smaller size.
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2018, 09:04:29 am »

Hold your index finger and thumb 2 inches apart...that is what makes a good LB?

C'mon...you know better than that.

There are many examples...not just one or two. As a matter of fact, fast - versatile LB's are needed more now than ever with teams spreading the field like they do.
Good job finding a few guys to prove a point, except the point was not you cannot be a good LB at 5'10", it is just the prototypical size.  Again, outliers...
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Re: Jake Heinrich retires
« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2018, 11:53:56 am »

Hate that for the kid. Tough deal. Best of luck to him. He’ll do well.

Just curious...when did college athletes start “retiring”?
Used to never hear it phrased that way.

Probably about the same time we started calling high school recruits 'Mr.'
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