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navyhog24

Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« on: January 17, 2018, 03:02:43 pm »

https://247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-host-hints-at-radical-change-to-transfer-eligibility-rules-113838655

ESPN host Matt Schick put a tweet out today: I spoke w/ an NCAA official this week who was “95% certain” transfers will soon be allowed to play immediately in basketball & football. Could be a one-time freebie, plus grad transfer option. So in theory, a student-athlete could play for three different schools w/o sitting out.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 03:05:48 pm »

So does that help or hurt a program like ours? 

I could theoretically see the possibility for a lesser recruited athlete doing well at a school like Arkansas as a freshman/sophomore and then transferring to a school like Alabama just to win a championship. 
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Wildhog

Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 03:07:07 pm »

Chaos.
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navyhog24

Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 03:08:19 pm »

I'm sure the parent schools will still be able to tell the player what other schools said player can't transfer to. So, they will still have a little control.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 03:09:05 pm »

So does that help or hurt a program like ours? 

I could theoretically see the possibility for a lesser recruited athlete doing well at a school like Arkansas as a freshman/sophomore and then transferring to a school like Alabama just to win a championship.

No doubt that the big fish will be the ones who find a way to make it benefit them.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 03:11:17 pm »

Chaos.

No doubt, but from what I've read, there won't be any vote on it this year.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2018, 03:18:23 pm »

So does that help or hurt a program like ours? 

I could theoretically see the possibility for a lesser recruited athlete doing well at a school like Arkansas as a freshman/sophomore and then transferring to a school like Alabama just to win a championship.

Or a great athlete buried in the depth chart at Alabama coming to Arkansas to get playing time.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 03:27:56 pm »

So does that help or hurt a program like ours? 

I could theoretically see the possibility for a lesser recruited athlete doing well at a school like Arkansas as a freshman/sophomore and then transferring to a school like Alabama just to win a championship.

Meh. Probably a wash. We would get some guys that would help. But someone like Bama would probably end up with a Carson Wientz
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 03:50:05 pm »

Or a great athlete buried in the depth chart at Alabama coming to Arkansas to get playing time.

Or a great player at Arkansas leaving to go to Bama for a ring.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 04:35:33 pm »

Pay them enough and they will come or stay.  Operate a program that players want to be a part of and it will diminish the issue of transfers out and help bring transfers in.  Crappy program and no incentive means a transfer rate.  Competition at its best.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 04:47:59 pm »

A ring in college isn't as important as the draft for a player with a strong NFL future.

I.e. would a player with division 1 scholarship aspirations in HS risk being a backup his senior year in order to get a state HS championship, or would they want to ball out their senior year in hopes of attracting maximum attention for the college level?

Further, it isn't just about talent. New playbook that you'll have to learn, new players that you'll have zero chemistry with and will have to develop. Even if you are physically better than the other players, mentally, you could be relegated to the second string because you simply don't have the timing down with the qb on your routes yet, and you don't know the playbook well enough yet.

If you weren't good enough to go to some place like Bama, USC, Ohio St, etc... before, they probably aren't going to take you after your freshmen year either, you are going to need 2 years of showing what you have before the big boys will take you, at which point, you only have one year to play before you are going pro anyways, unless you are just really loyal to your college program, in which case, you probably aren't the type to transfer to chase a ring anyways.

Somebody mentioned Carson Wentz above, and that type of situation is textbook of what would really impact this. An Arkansas player isn't going to have any better a shot at the NFL leaving here for another school, but some of the small school players will. For them, they have enough to show the NFL from their small school days to risk a year as a backup and still get into the NFL while hoping for some starting experience at the big boy level to boost their draft stock. Arkansas benefited from this with Cameron Jefferson who spent a handful of years in the NFL, transferring to us from one of the SW schools for a year. Didn't start for us on the OL, but got some reps in as a 6th OT.

The other factor in ring chasing would be like what Oregon State experienced with Conner Hammlett (sp?). Really good TE but not groundbreaking, for the beavers, did a graduate transfer for his 5th year to Bama and wasn't a star player there, but saw decent playing time. Ended up either as a late round draft pick or a high priority UDFA, can't remember which. Players in that category are also a threat to transfer for a ring chase. Maybe like a Javontee Herndon might have here. However, I doubt a Greg Childs or Mallett would have.

For the big boys, I agree they'll find a way to benefit from this, especially getting those smaller school first round picks to transfer to them, but I think they would be hurt as well. They already seem to lose about a third of their players to transfers to other schools. Might be highballing that a bit, but they lose a significant chunk. If it became even easier, I imagine even more would transfer out seeking playing time over bench rings.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2018, 05:09:46 pm »

I'm sure the parent schools will still be able to tell the player what other schools said player can't transfer to. So, they will still have a little control.

This
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2018, 05:12:38 pm »

Just allow a kid to transfer to any school if his coach gets a job after he signs a LOI (maybe that's now the case, anyhow...) at that school.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 05:24:18 pm »

No doubt that the big fish will be the ones who find a way to make it benefit them.
they have the same scholarship limit as anyone else, so its not like half the country is going to tranfer to alabama in december to get a ring in january.

I would guess that they might be hurt more as they can only start so many blue chips, and some will inevitably sit on the bench and want to transfer somewhere where they will actually be able to play.

the only real concern would be if school are allowed to recruit players at other schools.  I would hope there are rules against that.

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 05:41:18 pm »

they have the same scholarship limit as anyone else, so its not like half the country is going to tranfer to alabama in december to get a ring in january.

I would guess that they might be hurt more as they can only start so many blue chips, and some will inevitably sit on the bench and want to transfer somewhere where they will actually be able to play.

the only real concern would be if school are allowed to recruit players at other schools.  I would hope there are rules against that.


Should the rules change in this way, I figure we'll see even more non-contributors pushed out of the likes of Alabama etc, so that Alabama can get a new 5 star to develop, or the best underclassmen out of the non power 5- or cellar dwellars or coaching change programs in the p5.


It'll be easier to push them out because they don't have to sit, and easier to get a stud at UCF that didnt qualify in the SEC out of high school and now wants to play for titles in the fold.


BTW

I'm not sure that I'm against it.  If the coaches can dick these kids around like this and then take off the day after signing day, the kids I think deserve some semblance of similar mobility.   

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 05:51:00 pm »


Should the rules change in this way, I figure we'll see even more non-contributors pushed out of the likes of Alabama etc, so that Alabama can get a new 5 star to develop, or the best underclassmen out of the non power 5- or cellar dwellars or coaching change programs in the p5.


It'll be easier to push them out because they don't have to sit, and easier to get a stud at UCF that didnt qualify in the SEC out of high school and now wants to play for titles in the fold.


BTW

I'm not sure that I'm against it.  If the coaches can dick these kids around like this and then take off the day after signing day, the kids I think deserve some semblance of similar mobility.   


I agree that the focus on the rule should be allowing player initiated mobility, and that there needs to be regulations discouraging schools from taking advantage of the rules to dump kids and recruit from other schools.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2018, 06:31:36 pm »

they have the same scholarship limit as anyone else, so its not like half the country is going to tranfer to alabama in december to get a ring in january.

I would guess that they might be hurt more as they can only start so many blue chips, and some will inevitably sit on the bench and want to transfer somewhere where they will actually be able to play.

the only real concern would be if school are allowed to recruit players at other schools.  I would hope there are rules against that.

A ring in college isn't as important as the draft for a player with a strong NFL future.

I.e. would a player with division 1 scholarship aspirations in HS risk being a backup his senior year in order to get a state HS
If you weren't good enough to go to some place like Bama, USC, Ohio St, etc... before, they probably aren't going to take you after your freshmen year either, you are going to need 2 years of showing what you have before the big boys will take you, at which point, you only have one year to play before you are going pro anyways, unless you are just really loyal to your college program, in which case, you probably aren't the type to transfer to chase a ring anyways. 

Good points. This rule change is most likely to hurt the better programs who consistently have all that 4 and 5 star backup talent waiting around at 2-3 on the depth chart. Those players might have a shot at the NFL if they could get a decent amount of playing time.

And...the only teams with that much depth would be Alabama, Ohio State, maybe Clemson and maybe Oklahoma. This levels out the playing field a bit. I like it.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2018, 06:44:15 pm »

Good points. This rule change is most likely to hurt the better programs who consistently have all that 4 and 5 star backup talent waiting around at 2-3 on the depth chart. Those players might have a shot at the NFL if they could get a decent amount of playing time.

And...the only teams with that much depth would be Alabama, Ohio State, maybe Clemson and maybe Oklahoma. This levels out the playing field a bit. I like it.

Saban will find a way to make it work to his advantage like he does every other rule until he retires or dies in office. Any time there is any question about ethics, the NCAA will put on the pompoms and cheer them on to victory because Alabama = ratings and ratings = more money. Same thing with Kentucky, Duke and UNC in basketball.

They finally took off their blinders to the crooked Pitino but only after the program had slipped. One of the biggest scandals is the way they slapped UNC on the wrist for academic fraud going back 2 decades. 'Bama could take back a player who didn't make it in the NFL and change the name in the program and might get away with it. Same with UK basketball. It's a wonder Calimari hasn't tried it... yet.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2018, 07:09:56 pm »

So does that help or hurt a program like ours? 

I could theoretically see the possibility for a lesser recruited athlete doing well at a school like Arkansas as a freshman/sophomore and then transferring to a school like Alabama just to win a championship.
The coach still will be able to deny a transfer with in the conference.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2018, 07:17:50 pm »

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2018, 08:01:28 pm »

I believe the biggest thing that would happen is that teams would feel more comfortable pulling scholarships from marginal players at the end of any particular year, knowing the Kid could catch on with another FBS school with no penalty.  Then if say Arkansas had 5 scholarships to fill, Kids could let the school know their interest and/or the staff could show their interest in any Kid free of their old school.

I do not agree with the thought that a Kid leaving a particular school cannot go anywhere he chooses.  The school he just left should not have any say in that.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2018, 08:36:35 pm »

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2018, 08:41:55 pm »

Or a great player at Arkansas leaving to go to Bama for a ring.

Or he could go to Bama and never see the field.
Some of our best players would still be maybe's Bama.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2018, 08:46:30 pm »

Wooohooo....jalen can start for us next year...lol
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2018, 08:47:49 pm »

Problem with this, is....Alabama will be recruiting the players of the other team as they play.....come on..we got a spot for ya next year.......then  you will have kids quitting a team in the middle of the season to transfer to another school next semester....It will be ugly.
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2018, 08:50:59 pm »

Thought of something else.......lets not recruit much for next year...we can pick up players from other schools this year.....smh
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2018, 08:51:29 pm »

In a free market one would think the best coaches would benefit the most as players gravitate to where they can get the most out of their ability and have opportunities to win championships.

The worst coaches might in some cases be left without enough players to put a team on the court or field as players bail out.  A new coach would have to take over.

After the dust settles the quality of coaching would likely rise significantly across the board.
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2018, 08:52:59 pm »

Everyone wants to win a NC......since Bama beat us by 40....lets join the winner side......You think recruiting is cut throat now......you haven't seen anything yet.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2018, 09:03:22 pm »

This a terrible rule if it comes to fruition.  Every entitled athlete who thinks they should be playing and are not will just move on to another school instead of fighting for their position.  It already happens at the QB position where only one can play.  That is somewhat understandable.   I don't want to see it everywhere else.  I think there are way too many transfers already and this will make it much worse. 
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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2018, 09:13:28 pm »

This a terrible rule if it comes to fruition.  Every entitled athlete who thinks they should be playing and are not will just move on to another school instead of fighting for their position.  It already happens at the QB position where only one can play.  That is somewhat understandable.   I don't want to see it everywhere else.  I think there are way too many transfers already and this will make it much worse. 
if they are that entitled, then they are probably a drain on team morale anyway.

the current transfer rules punish the athlete for transferring. 
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2018, 11:17:10 pm »



Hundreds of people die every year from falling off a ladder. ;)
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2018, 12:25:12 pm »

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2018, 12:25:45 pm »

Yep. Let the poaching begin.

Bad for us, IMO.
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2018, 12:39:47 pm »

Bad for us, IMO.
I think it’s more of a threat to the blue chip schools than programs like ours.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2018, 12:41:14 pm »

I think it’s more of a threat to the blue chip schools than programs like ours.

Disagree, but it's not like there's a clear-cut answer.
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PorkSoda

Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2018, 12:50:33 pm »

its not like schools have to give kids a one year notice if they are going to pull their scholarship.

fair is fair.  it may change the game to some extent, but there needs to be some of amount of equality between student and school.
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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2018, 12:51:41 pm »

its not like schools have to give kids a one year notice if they are going to pull their scholarship.

fair is fair.  it may change the game to some extent, but there needs to be some of amount of equality between student and school.

Pretty sure they can't just pull a scholarship anymore.  They can encourage you to leave, but I don't think they can force it anymore.
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2018, 12:59:31 pm »

Lots of good points, but I think it's going to be hard to tell what this will turn into.  Changes of this sort make me nervous, but I do see the argument from a player's pov..."coaches move around freely, why can't I?"

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2018, 01:06:13 pm »

Lots of good points, but I think it's going to be hard to tell what this will turn into.  Changes of this sort make me nervous, but I do see the argument from a player's pov..."coaches move around freely, why can't I?"

To me, that's where it snowballs as well.
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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2018, 01:10:43 pm »

Totally agree on the fairness to players part.
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« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2018, 01:14:44 pm »

lol, can you imagine if coaches had to sit out a year...
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2018, 02:13:05 pm »

if they are that entitled, then they are probably a drain on team morale anyway.

the current transfer rules punish the athlete for transferring. 
I don't think it punishes them. It makes them think before doing something drastic and there is a price to pay in that you must sit our a year.  if the HC gets fired or leaves on his own then maybe I could be more forgiving.  I just think kids will take the easy way out if they don't get their way and there really is no consequence if they can transfer and not sit out a year.
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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2018, 02:17:24 pm »

I don't think it punishes them. It makes them think before doing something drastic and there is a price to pay in that you must sit our a year.  if the HC gets fired or leaves on his own then maybe I could be more forgiving.  I just think kids will take the easy way out if they don't get their way and there really is no consequence if they can transfer and not sit out a year.
they can transfer, that doesn't mean they will start right away at a new school under a new coach/scheme

I'm not going to sit around and judge athletes on their reasoning for wanting to transfer.

there are a lot of factors that can affect such a decision and arbitrary rules shouldn't be one of them.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2018, 02:36:59 pm »

Or a great player at Arkansas leaving to go to Bama for a ring.

Or a great player at Bama getting buried on the depth chart to get playing time at Arkansas.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2018, 02:44:59 pm »

Or a great player at Arkansas leaving to go to Bama for a ring.
I'm against that!
Or a great player at Bama getting buried on the depth chart to get playing time at Arkansas.
I'm for that!
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2018, 03:22:22 pm »

how many players drafted last year had a NC ring?  how many drafted didn't have a nc ring?

which is greater?

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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2018, 03:23:49 pm »

Rent a players.

Not a good look.
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Re: Transfer eligibility rules changing very soon
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2018, 03:38:37 pm »

Start paying them and we will have full blown College Football Free Agency.
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