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Depleted OL
« on: January 17, 2018, 10:48:37 am »

Many are concerned with our OL numbers on the roster and incoming freshmen/recruits. Well, our OL issues are ongoing as one was recently informed by docs to give up football due to health/physical issues.  Not my place to share specifics so who this is will have to come out on its own. But, our numbers just took another hit.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 11:00:11 am »

ill go ahead and venture a guess...

he was going to be our starting center.

he is from Texas.

he is like, the last , Petrino recruit. Not even sure how he is still here.

ZR
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 11:02:55 am »

The current starters are: Colton Jackson, Hjalte Froholdt, Zach Rogers, Johnny Gibson, and Brian Wallace.

Scholarship Linemen that will be trying to earn a starting job are: Jalen Merrick, Dalton Wagner, Jake Heinrich, Kirby Adcock, Ty Clary, Shane Clenin, and Deion Malone.

Incoming Linemen: Silas Robinson, Noah Gatlin ... with more to sign potentially.

That's 14 scholarship O-Linemen. That's three deep across the line. While most of them do not have much playing experience, where is the lack of depth?!  :-\
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 11:03:32 am »

If it's ZR ... Ouch.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 11:06:51 am »

If it's ZR ... Ouch.
probably our send or third best guy. Certainly the most experienced. But, being as he has been around for so many years, that's also the obvious "oft-injured" guy who might be told by docs to hang up the cleats.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 11:08:07 am »

ill go ahead and venture a guess...

he was going to be our starting center.

he is from Texas.

he is like, the last , Petrino recruit. Not even sure how he is still here.

ZR

He wasn't a BP recruit.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 11:08:50 am »

ill go ahead and venture a guess...

he was going to be our starting center.

he is from Texas.

he is like, the last , Petrino recruit. Not even sure how he is still here.

ZR
Zach Rogers signed in 2015, after missing his senior year of high school due to a knee injury. He was a Bielema kid all of the way. Petrino had zero to do with him. He's still at Arkansas because he's a good player who got stuck behind an All-American (aka Frank Ragnow). If he is still healthy, he'll be the Hogs starting center in 2018. Dude is a bull!
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2018, 11:19:31 am »

Zach Rogers signed in 2015, after missing his senior year of high school due to a knee injury. He was a Bielema kid all of the way. Petrino had zero to do with him. He's still at Arkansas because he's a good player who got stuck behind an All-American (aka Frank Ragnow). If he is still healthy, he'll be the Hogs starting center in 2018. Dude is a bull!
yet there are articles saying he is committed as far back as july 2013... dude was a petrino then smiley recruit at first (we offered him his freshman year, before The Wreck for sure), as a freshman iirc, petrino just wasnt here to finish the deal.


https://www.arkansasfight.com/2013/7/6/4498782/arkansas-recruiting-zach-rogers-commits-to-the-razorbacks


AND I guess you missed the part about how he wont be here to start next year.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 11:30:18 am »

Zach Rogers signed in 2015, after missing his senior year of high school due to a knee injury. He was a Bielema kid all of the way. Petrino had zero to do with him. He's still at Arkansas because he's a good player who got stuck behind an All-American (aka Frank Ragnow). If he is still healthy, he'll be the Hogs starting center in 2018. Dude is a bull!

Petrino was recruiting Rogers for along time. Just an FYI
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 11:33:42 am »

My memory is that he committed to Petrino.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 11:38:22 am »

Petrino was recruiting Rogers for along time. Just an FYI
My memory is that he committed to Petrino.
same. thanks, guys. dude had me thinking i was crazy for a second.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 11:41:04 am »

My memory is that he committed to Petrino.
Someone said he committed in 2013. How could he commit to petrino in 2013?
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2018, 11:43:41 am »

According to 247 sports.com Zack Rogers was recruited by Sam Pittman and Jim Chaney and committed in 2013
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2018, 11:45:35 am »

sorry to  hear this if true
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 11:46:44 am »

Petrino was recruiting Rogers for along time. Just an FYI


He committed in July of 2013 and graduated from high school at mid term (Christmas 2014) so he could practice in the spring of 2015. 

Bielema was hired in December of 2012 and had Pittman and Joel Thomas (some services say Chaney)  recruit Zach. Petrino was gone after 2011. I donít not know if Petrino recruited Zach, but he would have been playing his 9th grade year Petrinoís last season.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2018, 11:48:19 am »

The current starters are: Colton Jackson, Hjalte Froholdt, Zach Rogers, Johnny Gibson, and Brian Wallace.

Scholarship Linemen that will be trying to earn a starting job are: Jalen Merrick, Dalton Wagner, Jake Heinrich, Kirby Adcock, Ty Clary, Shane Clenin, and Deion Malone.

Incoming Linemen: Silas Robinson, Noah Gatlin ... with more to sign potentially.

That's 14 scholarship O-Linemen. That's three deep across the line. While most of them do not have much playing experience, where is the lack of depth?!  :-\

He probably meant quality depth. You could go out there and play o-line, but would you be considered depth?
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2018, 11:57:41 am »

Why is Zach  leaving? Is he our only center with experience?
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2018, 12:05:02 pm »

Rogers was recruited after Arkansas recruited Deatrich Wise.  They both came from the same high school.  Wise was recruited by the Petrino coaching staff and most likely that high schoolís coaching staff put them on to Rogers as another future recruit.  Thatís usually how the game works. 
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2018, 12:06:47 pm »

First I heard of this. Whatís FANONNTHEHILL saying? We need Rogers.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2018, 12:08:59 pm »


He committed in July of 2013 and graduated from high school at mid term (Christmas 2014) so he could practice in the spring of 2015. 

Bielema was hired in December of 2012 and had Pittman and Joel Thomas (some services say Chaney)  recruit Zach. Petrino was gone after 2011. I donít not know if Petrino recruited Zach, but he would have been playing his 9th grade year Petrinoís last season.

Yes, Roger was already attending Razorback game at that time

He didnít commit to Petrino. But he was being actively recruited
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2018, 12:09:06 pm »

He probably meant quality depth. You could go out there and play o-line, but would you be considered depth?

Exactly lol!
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2018, 12:10:44 pm »

Omg! Who cares who recruited the kid?!? Is he leaving the program or not? That's all that matters.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2018, 12:12:47 pm »

Rogers was part of the 2015 class. If he did have an offer from Petrino in 2011, it doesn't matter, he signed with Bielema in his 3rd class. He's a Bielema recruit.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2018, 12:20:19 pm »

Could this be the opportunity for Merrick to get on the field? Merrick at center with Gibson & Wallace on the right side with Froholdt and Jackson on the left? Maybe Heinrich can wrestle a spot away from one of the older guys? Do we go with a complete 2nd 5 or do we train 1 guy for guard/center and 1 guy for the tackle spot? I do realize that we will list a 2-deep, but will we actually play it that way? With our lack of experience I could see a 2-man rotation for breathers to keep the best guys on the field.


68   Kirby Adcock   OL  Fr  6-5  288 
66   Ty Clary   OL  Fr  6-4  286 
57   Shane Clenin   OL  Fr  6-6  300 
51   Hjalte Froholdt   OL  Jr  6-5  311 
62   Johnny Gibson Jr.   OL  Jr  6-4  333 
55   Jake Heinrich   OL  R-Fr  6-4  293 
64   Audry Horn   OL  Fr  6-2  329 
74   Colton Jackson   OL  So  6-5  298 
99   Deion Malone   OL  Jr  6-3  304 
79   Jalen Merrick   OL  So  6-4  322 
78   Dalton Wagner   OL  Fr  6-9  311   
60   Brian Wallace   OL  Jr  6-6  337 

           
61   Cooper Sone   OL  So  6-2  272 
67   Tyler Hall   OL  R-Fr  6-4  296
71   Jackson Hannah   OL  Jr  6-2  305 
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2018, 12:26:45 pm »

Rogers was part of the 2015 class. If he did have an offer from Petrino in 2011, it doesn't matter, he signed with Bielema in his 3rd class. He's a Bielema recruit.

Just as another FYI Roger had an offer from just about every big time school in Texas by the time he was a Sophomore in HS.

Very highly recruited kid early in his HS career
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2018, 12:44:30 pm »

Does it really matter who recruited him?



Y'all are just making it a pissing match over the irrelevant point of who is right and who is wrong while making yourselves look like jackasses.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2018, 12:56:21 pm »

With a new staff in place hopefully these guys that have been buried on the depth chart treat this as a fresh start and new opportunity to prove themselves. Our line play the last couple of seasons was bad enough that nobody's job should be safe. Going to be some interesting position battles IMO.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2018, 01:11:31 pm »

Does it really matter who recruited him?
Y'all are just making it a pissing match over the irrelevant point of who is right and who is wrong while making yourselves look like jackasses.

Either way for your information it was both
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2018, 01:15:45 pm »

Zach Rogers signed in 2015, after missing his senior year of high school due to a knee injury. He was a Bielema kid all of the way. Petrino had zero to do with him. He's still at Arkansas because he's a good player who got stuck behind an All-American (aka Frank Ragnow). If he is still healthy, he'll be the Hogs starting center in 2018. Dude is a bull!


He didn't really get stuck behind Ragnow.
I don't think center was Ragnow's natural position.
Rogers didn't play because Bielema thought he was too short - which is a shame, he shouldn't have ever signed him and then wasted the kid's college career.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2018, 01:17:45 pm »

He didn't really get stuck behind Ragnow.
I don't think center was Ragnow's natural position.
Rogers didn't play because Bielema thought he was too short - which is a shame, he shouldn't have ever signed him and then wasted the kid's college career.

Did Bielema ever say Rogers was too short?
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2018, 01:19:59 pm »

Did Bielema ever say Rogers was too short?

That's my understanding.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2018, 01:23:31 pm »

That's my understanding.


I just don't remember hearing those words, maybe he said them.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2018, 01:24:35 pm »

He didn't really get stuck behind Ragnow.
I don't think center was Ragnow's natural position.
Rogers didn't play because Bielema thought he was too short
- which is a shame, he shouldn't have ever signed him and then wasted the kid's college career.

I think Rogers didn't play because Ragnow developed into the best college football center in the country...doesn't matter if it was or wasn't Ragnow's natural position...
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2018, 01:33:15 pm »

I think Rogers didn't play because Ragnow developed into the best college football center in the country...doesn't matter if it was or wasn't Ragnow's natural position...

Our oline would have probably been better last year with Rogers at center and Ragnow moved - he was versatile enough to play a number of Oline positions. It did us no good to have the best center yet field a horrible oline.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2018, 01:58:57 pm »

I really hope this Hogville thing is an act you put on to see how many smites you can get.  I can't possibly imagine a human being who is really as bitter and rude as you appear to be.

Go get a hobby. This act isn't funny anymore.

Lay off the dramatics man.

This is a daily hobby of mine....read hogville on dump breaks.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2018, 02:01:04 pm »

Itís because of comments like this that  I mentioned in another thread that a player was leaving on good terms, with a degree and I didnít want anyone to think negatively about the player.  Not a transfer.  Not a player that didnít contribute, just a young man that wants to get on with his life after football.

I didn't say anything negative about a player.

Why do people leave a place? Because they don't want to be somewhere anymore. No hard feelings, but life continues...next man up. Best of luck with your degree young man and thanks for the effort near the end of the year.

Why are people upset over a player leaving? That is what recruiting is for. Find spots to fill places and attrition will happen. That's life. In college football....and in the workforce.

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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2018, 02:14:47 pm »

Did Bielema ever say Rogers was too short?

I do remembering him saying Center was probably his best position because his size.

I took that as a lack of size. Not sure if that meant height, length or weight or a combination of those things.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2018, 02:25:39 pm »

Does it really matter who recruited him?



Y'all are just making it a pissing match over the irrelevant point of who is right and who is wrong while making yourselves look like jackasses.

Have you ever forgot a word, or a name of a famous person or something like that?  I think it's all they are doing is trying to straighten out the facts.  It's Brets recruit by the way.  He's the coach that signed him.  I doubt he was old enough to drive when petrino was on the hill.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2018, 02:28:07 pm »

With a new staff in place hopefully these guys that have been buried on the depth chart treat this as a fresh start and new opportunity to prove themselves. Our line play the last couple of seasons was bad enough that nobody's job should be safe. Going to be some interesting position battles IMO.

Some guy in another forum just got done trying to argue that O-line is our strength coming back.  Oh dear god these people sometimes.
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« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2018, 02:34:19 pm »

An early enrollee who was a four-star prospect ranked as the fourth-best center in the nation by Scout Ö Earned a four-star rating and named the No. 32 offensive guard by ESPN Ö Rivals listed him as a three star prospect and the No. 50 recruit in Texas Ö Earned three stars and was pegged the No. 26 offensive guard and No. 50 Texas prospect by 247Composite, a combined index of national recruiting rankings Ö 247Sports rated him as a three-star prospect, the No. 27 offensive guard and No. 50 recruit in Texas

From his bio on the Hogs web page. No doubt this kid could have helped us in prior years.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2018, 02:35:05 pm »

He probably meant quality depth. You could go out there and play o-line, but would you be considered depth?

Boarland, we do agree this time.  The O-line has been the biggest bunch of mommas boys to be coddled by daddy Bert.  As far as Morris goes, anything could happen with this bunch.  It's up to the unit to see how they respond.  Dropping some weight and kicking some butt would be the quickest route to success, let's see if they are capable or not.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2018, 02:35:56 pm »

Lay off the dramatics man.

This is a daily hobby of mine....read hogville on dump breaks.

Are you being a bad boy on the potty?
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2018, 02:37:05 pm »

Well, if you think about it including Rogers we would be returning the 5 starters from our last 3 games plus Clary. That would have to be considered a fairly strong unit. Even if we return 4 starters and we add in Clary plus Heinrich we could have an average to above average O'Line.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2018, 02:41:16 pm »

Have you ever forgot a word, or a name of a famous person or something like that?  I think it's all they are doing is trying to straighten out the facts.  It's Brets recruit by the way.  He's the coach that signed him.  I doubt he was old enough to drive when petrino was on the hill.

Was still being recruited by Petrino. He committed to Bielema and signed with Bielema. But Arkansas was very high on his list long before Bielema was hired. Go ahead and message RD if you donít believe it.

RD has been covering the kid for the last 7 years or so
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2018, 02:47:05 pm »

Are you being a bad boy on the potty?

I guess depends on one's definition of bad boy..

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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2018, 03:01:54 pm »

Some guy in another forum just got done trying to argue that O-line is our strength coming back.  Oh dear god these people sometimes.

Iím as much as a sunshine pumper as has ever been on this board.  There is no strength coming back.  Not to say thereís not talent and the capability to be successful, but the entire approach on both sides of the ball has been turned upside down.  The coaches have their work cut out for them molding this group into what they want them to be.  It can be done, but the players have to buy in and the coaches canít let up for a single second. Theyíve got 227 days to figure it out.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2018, 03:08:10 pm »

Did Bielema ever say Rogers was too short?
Nope.

Made up bull crap from those who hated Bielema.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2018, 03:28:18 pm »

Boarland, we do agree this time.  The O-line has been the biggest bunch of mommas boys to be coddled by daddy Bert.  As far as Morris goes, anything could happen with this bunch.  It's up to the unit to see how they respond.  Dropping some weight and kicking some butt would be the quickest route to success, let's see if they are capable or not.
And maybe not having to hold their blocks for 4-5 seconds might make them more effective as a unit.
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Re: Depleted OL
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2018, 03:33:47 pm »

Nope.

Made up bull crap from those who hated Bielema.

Well Bielema did say something to the affect that center was probably his best position because of his (or lack of) size.

But he never said he couldn't play because of it. Was always very complementary of Roger's ability in pressers
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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2018, 03:35:09 pm »

And maybe not having to hold their blocks for 4-5 seconds might make them more effective as a unit.

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