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"Associate" head coach?
« on: January 15, 2018, 09:39:52 am »

What is the difference between an "assistant" head coach and an "associate" head coach? I have seen "assistant" head coach listed for some teams, and some teams even have both "assistant" head coaches and "associate" head coaches listed. (Ohio St is one example that lists both.)

I assume "associate" head coaches take over as interim head coach in the event the head coach is let go. Is it really just a title thing other than that? I assume no one would rather be "associate" head coach than OC/DC.


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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 09:43:10 am »

Also, 247sports needs to get a new profile pic for Jeff Traylor (link). That orange is unbecoming of a Razorback coach...




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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 09:44:18 am »

If you have an answer to that, the Support Staff has Quality Control for Defense and Special Teams. What are their duties or input?
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 09:48:31 am »

I’m betting it’s an evolution of terminology just like how secretaries became administrative assistants, etc.  Associate sounds better even if it means the same thing.  Also though, I’m sure whenever the head coach is out of state he handles the administrative duties of the head coach in a way similar to Governor-Lieutenant Governor.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 09:49:20 am »

Where's ricepig?
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 09:51:47 am »

I’m betting it’s an evolution of terminology just like how secretaries became administrative assistants, etc.  Associate sounds better even if it means the same thing.  Also though, I’m sure whenever the head coach is out of state he handles the administrative duties of the head coach in a way similar to Governor-Lieutenant Governor.

So what about teams (like the OSU example I gave) that list both "associate" and "assistant" head coaches?
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2018, 09:54:41 am »

So who's coaching Special Teams?
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 10:01:59 am »

Where's ricepig?
Wondering if he'll be named Associate Message Board Director.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 10:07:39 am »

Wondering if he'll be named Associate Message Board Director.

Too old, they said with Chavis, Caldwell, and Cooper they didn't have enough GA's to mash up our food......

Associate HC is generally a way to give a position coach more money, you know so it doesn't appear you have any favorites amongst the staff.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 10:11:44 am »

Here you go

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+difference+between+an+assistant+and+associate+head+coach

The first link doesn't really answer the question, the second link talks about NBA coaches (irrelevant), the third link gives conflicting information about whether assistant or associate is higher ranked, the fourth link talks about baseball, the fifth link gives no real info, the sixth link is about wrestling, the seventh link is about hockey....etc....

I know you were trying to be clever, but sometimes people actually do google it before they ask a question and still do not have the answer....which is why they ask...
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 10:15:03 am »

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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 10:21:33 am »

This is typical academic hierarchy. 

Professor > Associate Professor > Assistant Professor > Staff/Adjunct > Grad Student/GA/TA
NOTE: at most universities, tenure is required to move above the Assistant Prof level

Head Coach > Associate Head Coach > Assistant Head Coach > ....

Mostly done to give the appearance of responsibility/experience and thus $$$


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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 10:31:55 am »

This is typical academic hierarchy. 

Professor > Associate Professor > Assistant Professor > Staff/Adjunct > Grad Student/GA/TA
NOTE: at most universities, tenure is required to move above the Assistant Prof level

Head Coach > Associate Head Coach > Assistant Head Coach > ....

Mostly done to give the appearance of responsibility/experience and thus $$$


And, as noted, the associate HC is the designated guy should something happen to the HC. No need to worry about pecking order.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 10:32:49 am »

Apparently Morris is splitting up the special teams duties amongst several coaches:

https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Article/Special-teams-duties-to-be-split-up-on-Chad-Morris-Arkansas-Razorbacks-staff-113575773

Very common these days. One in charge (coordinator) but several assisting, not unlike having an OC and several offensive position coaches.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 11:20:23 am »

Got some family that played for Traylor at Gilmer TX. Sick record. 175/26 over 15 seasons. Assured me we would be impressed with his production.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 11:43:08 am »

The Associate Head Coach takes over coaching duties when the coach is out of the state.  He also is video conferenced in to meetings because you can't have all of the coaches in one place in the event of a terrorist attack.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 11:53:58 am »

Here you go

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+the+difference+between+an+assistant+and+associate+head+coach

lmgtfy is always a great way to prove one can be a prick, however it's funny when they want to be a prick, they do the lmgtfy thing and the hogville post he is posting in is the third source on google.  Only proceeded by reddit and aufamily. 
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 11:55:07 am »

didn't Bielema give Pittman the associate head title as well?  We all around here just thought it was a ploy to pay him more...
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 11:57:47 am »

It's just a title, man.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 12:05:33 pm »

This is just a question and hopefully someone can answer.  Are salaries and their ranges dictated by job descriptions?  The reason I ask is that I definitely remember back when Coach Richardson and Coach Broyles were having their issues, one of Nolan’s points was that his “title” of associate AD was simply a title and he was given no responsibilities that would go with that title.  That’s why I’m curious if titles and expanded titles such as “associate” or “assistant” are just a way to pay more within the system and are nothing more than titles.  If anyone knows, please share.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 12:28:07 pm »

This is just a question and hopefully someone can answer.  Are salaries and their ranges dictated by job descriptions?  The reason I ask is that I definitely remember back when Coach Richardson and Coach Broyles were having their issues, one of Nolan’s points was that his “title” of associate AD was simply a title and he was given no responsibilities that would go with that title.  That’s why I’m curious if titles and expanded titles such as “associate” or “assistant” are just a way to pay more within the system and are nothing more than titles.  If anyone knows, please share.

They may be like a banking friend of mine told me when I congratulated him on a promotion from Asst V.P to Execute V.P., I asked if he got a nice raise too, he said, "no, they just gave out new titles this year".
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 01:22:24 pm »

The Associate Head Coach takes over coaching duties when the coach is out of the state.  He also is video conferenced in to meetings because you can't have all of the coaches in one place in the event of a terrorist attack.

They probably hide him in a bunker somewhere near Damascus or Bee Branch for the Alabama game.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 01:42:15 pm »

They may be like a banking friend of mine told me when I congratulated him on a promotion from Asst V.P to Execute V.P., I asked if he got a nice raise too, he said, "no, they just gave out new titles this year".

That is spread across the corporate world as we know it now. 
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2018, 04:06:24 pm »

Assistant to the regional manager?
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2018, 04:19:16 pm »

Assistant to the regional manager?
+1 haha
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 04:39:54 pm »

the main difference between "associate head coach" & "assistant head coach" is usually $100-150K per year.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 04:56:32 pm »

Assistant to the regional manager?

Don't tell Shrute that around here.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2018, 07:26:45 pm »

didn't realize caldwell was from A-state.  do you think he's a mole?
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2018, 07:47:21 pm »

This is just a question and hopefully someone can answer.  Are salaries and their ranges dictated by job descriptions?  The reason I ask is that I definitely remember back when Coach Richardson and Coach Broyles were having their issues, one of Nolan’s points was that his “title” of associate AD was simply a title and he was given no responsibilities that would go with that title.  That’s why I’m curious if titles and expanded titles such as “associate” or “assistant” are just a way to pay more within the system and are nothing more than titles.  If anyone knows, please share.

That's the way it was some years back, can't vouch for the system today one way or the other.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 08:38:26 pm »

didn't realize caldwell was from A-state.  do you think he's a mole?

No doubt......
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 09:49:29 pm »

Apparently Morris is splitting up the special teams duties amongst several coaches:

https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Article/Special-teams-duties-to-be-split-up-on-Chad-Morris-Arkansas-Razorbacks-staff-113575773



He's barely even been here a month and he's already picking up Bert's bad habits.
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2018, 10:54:29 pm »

Also, 247sports needs to get a new profile pic for Jeff Traylor (link). That orange is unbecoming of a Razorback coach...




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Yet some certain coach allowed a former texass player bring his helmet.....
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2018, 11:38:33 pm »

This is typical academic hierarchy. 

Professor > Associate Professor > Assistant Professor > Staff/Adjunct > Grad Student/GA/TA
NOTE: at most universities, tenure is required to move above the Assistant Prof level

Head Coach > Associate Head Coach > Assistant Head Coach > ....

Mostly done to give the appearance of responsibility/experience and thus $$$




So associate is ahead of OC or DC? That doesn't seem right...
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 08:14:19 am »

I'm hiring an Associate Director of Gameday Concessions - ADGC

He will be in charge of hiring an Assistant Associate Director of Gameday Concessions - AADGC

This job ain't easy...trust me




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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 08:15:22 am »

So associate is ahead of OC or DC? That doesn't seem right...

Follow the money......
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Re: "Associate" head coach?
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 08:18:40 am »

Follow the money......

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