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Anderson at Arkansas facts
« on: January 11, 2018, 10:16:46 am »

61-49 in SEC games in 6 full seasons and 4 SEC games into this season (1-3 thus far).

Improved overall from season 1 in 2011 thru season 4 in 2015. Up and down since then, with this year looking like it will be worse than last year's 12-6 given first 4 games in SEC play. So more down after last year's up. 2 NCAAT's in 6 years with a 2-2 record in NCAAT play.

Better than the previous 2 coaches but not what we thought we would get with Anderson after 6+ seasons.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 10:22:44 am »

If we don't make it to 2nd round of NCAA this year, it's time to end this sentimental journey.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 10:30:29 am »

I hope I am wrong but the last few years are about the ceiling for Mike.  He is a good guy but a very average coach. He is not big on teaching fundamentals like blocking out or staying in front of your man on defense or switching on screens or anything I call bb fundys.  He is big on hustling even though his guys are not showing it, sharing the bb and gambling on defense trying for TOs even though we are not very good at it and things like that.   Oh, he might get hot and the right group of guys and will win 25+ games and win a couple games in the NCAAT maybe every 10 to 15 years but that is about it.  But mostly he will win around 20 games leaving us wanting more. 

It will be up to the new AD and the big money boasters to decide if we deserve better but I do not see anything happening for a few years.   
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 10:33:09 am »

What I don't get is our potential in basketball is SO much greater than it is in football. Every SEC team has upgraded coaches and facilities. We got a new practice facility that was supposed to take us to the next level. That worked out.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 10:45:16 am »

What I don't get is our potential in basketball is SO much greater than it is in football. Every SEC team has upgraded coaches and facilities. We got a new practice facility that was supposed to take us to the next level. That worked out.

Throwing money at the problem always works, just look at our public school system- oh wait
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 10:55:12 am »

If we don't make it to 2nd round of NCAA this year, it's time to end this sentimental journey.

The assumption is we get there of course! I have no confidence this staff can get the team in this year.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 11:04:53 am »

I wanted Mike seven years ago. That has changed.

It wasn’t a mistake to hire him since he’s stabilized the foundation and the hope he brought got the practice facility built. However, it’s time to pass the baton to a next level guy.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 11:08:14 am »

Throwing money at the problem always works, just look at our public school system- oh wait
In a day and age where public school teachers have to buy a lot of their own supplies for their classrooms to educate OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS vs. an AD and ex-football coach getting $16MM + to go away, I'd say that your comment on public school system getting too much money is waaaaay off, unless of course you'd like to raise an entire generation of idiots.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 11:10:42 am »

I wanted Mike seven years ago. That has changed.

It wasn’t a mistake to hire him since he’s stabilized the foundation and the hope he brought got the practice facility built. However, it’s time to pass the baton to a next level guy.

I didn't want Mike 7 years ago because I knew we'd be having this conversation instead of going all in at the time. Boy that 'national search' Jeff Long conducted sure has paid off.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 11:21:18 am »

61-49 in SEC games in 6 full seasons and 4 SEC games into this season (1-3 thus far).

Improved overall from season 1 in 2011 thru season 4 in 2015. Up and down since then, with this year looking like it will be worse than last year's 12-6 given first 4 games in SEC play. So more down after last year's up. 2 NCAAT's in 6 years with a 2-2 record in NCAAT play.

Better than the previous 2 coaches but not what we thought we would get with Anderson after 6+ seasons.

Also think about just how bad it could be next year!  If Gafford leaves it will be disastrous!  If he stays it's still a very young, not too talented team!
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 11:24:22 am »

Also think about just how bad it could be next year!  If Gafford leaves it will be disastrous!  If he stays it's still a very young, not too talented team!

I can't even believe I'm going to say this, BUT, Gafford's future in the NBA would have been better served had he gone elsewhere to play his college ball.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 11:45:14 am »

In a day and age where public school teachers have to buy a lot of their own supplies for their classrooms to educate OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS vs. an AD and ex-football coach getting $16MM + to go away, I'd say that your comment on public school system getting too much money is waaaaay off, unless of course you'd like to raise an entire generation of idiots.

at the risk of a huge derail, simply raising teacher pay is not going to fix the problems either. Money, alone , is rarely the answer to any problem. And before you say it, my wife and sister are or have been teachers at some point in their careers.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 11:48:36 am »

Throwing money at the problem always works, just look at our public school system- oh wait

Our Public School System has not had money thrown at it, quite the opposite.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 11:52:56 am »

I can't even believe I'm going to say this, BUT, Gafford's future in the NBA would have been better served had he gone elsewhere to play his college ball.

Similarly, it was so sad to see Kingsley limit his future by following his friend Portis to play for MA.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 12:04:38 pm »

If we don't make it to 2nd round of NCAA this year, it's time to end this sentimental journey.

we won't be in the NCAA tourney baring winning the SEC tourney
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BallHog1

Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 12:09:48 pm »

at the risk of a huge derail, simply raising teacher pay is not going to fix the problems either. Money, alone , is rarely the answer to any problem. And before you say it, my wife and sister are or have been teachers at some point in their careers.
I'll roll with the derail. The problem isn't the schools, the problem is a failure to parent.
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razorpimp

Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2018, 12:11:16 pm »

You can fix this problem by throwing money at it is the difference!  Fire Mike and his high school staff, throw money at one of the great coaches....see what happens...bet we start winning again
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2018, 12:13:41 pm »

I'll roll with the derail. The problem isn't the schools, the problem is a failure to parent.

Oh you'll get no argument from me on that.

Actually, we see that alot in today's athletes. They are me me me players because parents, or whoever raised them taught them that.

I was called a game couple weeks ago and there was a kid with some decent talent. His dad/uncle/whoever was right on the front row yelling at this kid not to pass the ball " because they ain't as good as you ". Kid must have put up 30 shots, scored a bunch, but they still lost.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2018, 12:14:15 pm »

61-49 in SEC games in 6 full seasons and 4 SEC games into this season (1-3 thus far

61-49!?! Wow just wow, in the weak a$$ SEC for that matter!

I know, I know much better than Heath and Pelphrey....

But what is that actually saying...ill tell you not much
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2018, 12:40:17 pm »

It would take two bad years in a row for Mike to get fired. He'll probably get things figured out enough this year to make a run at 20 wins, and be on the NCAA bubble the last week of the season. Certainly not what we expected this year, but not a "get fired" season after reaching the round of 32 last year. I agree that next year will probably be worse... probably 16 or 17 wins. I wish Mike would decide he has had enough, and ask to move to some type of admin position. Of course it would take a HUGE pay cut, but that's what we've seen some of the long time coaches from lower revenue sports. Mike is a good guy and is a big part of the past success, so it would be nice if he could go out without being fired. But I completely agree last year was probably as good as we will see, and we'll bounce around being a NIT type team, to being on the bubble every second or third year. Last night was enough for me.... I was sitting at the game with my arms crossed feeling bad that I paid to watch this mess!
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2018, 12:49:21 pm »

It would take two bad years in a row for Mike to get fired. He'll probably get things figured out enough this year to make a run at 20 wins, and be on the NCAA bubble the last week of the season. Certainly not what we expected this year, but not a "get fired" season after reaching the round of 32 last year. I agree that next year will probably be worse... probably 16 or 17 wins. I wish Mike would decide he has had enough, and ask to move to some type of admin position. Of course it would take a HUGE pay cut, but that's what we've seen some of the long time coaches from lower revenue sports. Mike is a good guy and is a big part of the past success, so it would be nice if he could go out without being fired. But I completely agree last year was probably as good as we will see, and we'll bounce around being a NIT type team, to being on the bubble every second or third year. Last night was enough for me.... I was sitting at the game with my arms crossed feeling bad that I paid to watch this mess!

what is considered bad years?
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2018, 01:47:27 am »

I said it after they fired Pelphrey, and I'll say it now. We should have broken the bank to hire Brad Stevens and skipped this nostalgia trip. That man is a coach.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2018, 06:20:57 am »

I don't think we should fire a basketball coach with a winning conference record. We did that with Nutt and it has set us back 10 years, just like Chuck Barrett said it would, and likely to set us back an additional 10.

No Mike isn't that great of a coach but he wins enough to keep it interesting. The chances we go way down by changing coaches again far outweighs the chances we go up from where we are. Most likely he's as good as we can do and he's our daddy.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2018, 06:26:34 am »

I don't think we should fire a basketball coach with a winning conference record. We did that with Nutt and it has set us back 10 years, just like Chuck Barrett said it would, and likely to set us back an additional 10.

No Mike isn't that great of a coach but he wins enough to keep it interesting. The chances we go way down by changing coaches again far outweighs the chances we go up from where we are. Most likely he's as good as we can do and he's our daddy.

Dumb.
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2018, 07:02:14 am »

Throwing money at the problem always works, just look at our public school system- oh wait




You my friend have no idea what your talking about.  Let's see you take a job for $30k a year and have to work with some of the students we have to deal with.  Kids haven't changed but the parents have.  We don't do it for the money believe me, we do it because we want to make a difference in a students life.  Also,  allow schools to get rid of the bad teachers, oh wait, because of the teacher fair dismissal act it's almost impossible.  Private and Charter schools do not have to except the students public schools do.  When that big yellow bus pulls up we take them all.  Parents don't just send their best kids you know. 
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2018, 07:50:58 am »

So much stupidity in a single thread on two different topics
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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2018, 08:11:47 am »

Throwing money at the problem always works, just look at our public school system- oh wait

brilliant.



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Re: Anderson at Arkansas facts
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2018, 08:28:49 am »

61-49 in SEC games in 6 full seasons and 4 SEC games into this season (1-3 thus far).

Improved overall from season 1 in 2011 thru season 4 in 2015. Up and down since then, with this year looking like it will be worse than last year's 12-6 given first 4 games in SEC play. So more down after last year's up. 2 NCAAT's in 6 years with a 2-2 record in NCAAT play.

Better than the previous 2 coaches but not what we thought we would get with Anderson after 6+ seasons.

Good info. Time to move on after 7 years.
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